Yeah, that sure was a convoluted speech. Afterwards, he went to a $2,000 a plate lunch.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
$2,000 for lunch?!? Miss America better be blowing me under the table for that kind of cash....
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
and her sister....
Well, a truly free nation doesn't.... Now, if we could find one on this planet....
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:Uh, oxymoron?
Close, just leave off the oxy part.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:Afterwards, he went to a $2,000 a plate lunch.
Which makes a nice change - he usually sounds like he just got back from a $2,000 liquid lunch. 8)
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Without editorializing too much, where is the ire at Mr. Bush's fundraising. He's going out and rasing huge amounts of money, absolutely enormous.
Clinton was rightfully criticized about some of his more questionable fund raising tactics, but, as I recall, he excoriated in the press and in the right wing punditocracy not only for the amounts he raised, but for the zeal with which he went out to raise it.
Why are things different now?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
'Cos he's a Republican and therefore any money he raises will be for the good of the country!!!
...and because taking the piss out of Bush for being a bit of a thicky is so much funnier. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
" We have more work to do in Iraq. A free Iraq, a peaceful Iraq will help change an area of the world that needs peace and freedom. A peaceful Iraq and a free Iraq is part of our campaign to rid the world of terror. And that's why the thugs in Iraq still resist us, because they can't stand the thought of free societies. They understand what freedom means. See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction. There will be a free and peaceful Iraq. What's taking place in Iraq is the evolution of a society, to be democratic in nation -- nature, a society in which the people are better off."
So, basically, Iraqis are resisting US forces because we're making them too free, and they don't like it?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well,they're heathans after all. That's why Bush is not attempting to block the legions of Christian missionaries flocking to Iraq to "show them the way". If anything makes the Iraquis hate us forever, it'll be these asshole preachers trying to undermine Iraq's culture and religion (farther than it already has been anyway).
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
And telling them to not use condoms.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:free nations are peaceful nations
Well, know we know why our government has attacked Afghanistan and Iraq openly, and is gearing up and rattling sabers with Syria, North Korea, China, Libya, Pakistan, and who knows where else. What with the Patriot Act, the DMCA, and all sorts of other "liberating" legislation, we're not a fr--
*numerous men in black suits and sunglasses carry Dan away*
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
So, basically, Iraqis are resisting US forces because we're making them too free, and they don't like it?
They see us as an invading army. Which we are. What they fail to realize is that this is not a bad thing. Like I've said before, all terrorists are idiots, because they either have no idea what their goals are, don't understand the ramifications of those goals, or don't have any idea how to accomplish those goals. In this case, they don't seem to understand that attacking US soldiers will not remove us from the country, nor would removing us from Iraq actually do anyone any good.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:They see us as an invading army. Which we are. What they fail to realize is that this is not a bad thing. Like I've said before, all terrorists are idiots, because they either have no idea what their goals are, don't understand the ramifications of those goals, or don't have any idea how to accomplish those goals. In this case, they don't seem to understand that attacking US soldiers will not remove us from the country, nor would removing us from Iraq actually do anyone any good.
I wonder if you would have made the same responce to French resistance fighters durin WWII? They are fighting to remove invaders for the same reason the French resistance attacked the Germans who were occupying their country.
Posted by Brian Whisenhunt (Member # 1095) on :
To quote that famous orator.....
"Can't we all just get along?"
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:To quote that famous orator.....
"Can't we all just get along?"
Where's the fun in that?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I wonder if you would have made the same responce to French resistance fighters durin WWII? They are fighting to remove invaders for the same reason the French resistance attacked the Germans who were occupying their country.
Removing German troops from France would have done France a world of good, because German troops sucked. We don't, as a general rule. We're rebuilding Iraq, fixing the damage we caused, and we're gonna leave. Germany was on a mission of annexation.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote: Removing German troops from France would have done France a world of good, because German troops sucked. We don't, as a general rule. We're rebuilding Iraq, fixing the damage we caused, and we're gonna leave. Germany was on a mission of annexation.
Would you think that of an occupying force? Germany rebuilt infratructure after occupying France, but only for their own good, why would some Iraqi's think otherwise? These people are also seeing their people being taken away to prisons that no-one has access to other than the ocuppying forces. These people are seeing houses broken into in the middle of the night by the occupying forces. They also see their religious leaders being arrested by the occupying forces. So according to these people the occupying forces suck. You are looking at this from the occupying forces point of view, I'm sure people in Germany thought the same way you do. We are helping these people, while the troops on the ground are shooting into crowds of people, killing young children as they sleep on rooftops. Would you stand for that if occupying forces were were dragging off christian religious leaders in the US, if it was occupied? Would you stand for that if children were being killed in the US if it was occupied? How are they to know that the US is not just annexing Iraq, you have already set up a puppet government, that just in the last weeks were told that they must accept Turkish troops, dispite what the puppet government said. They are also seeing jobs, like training the police force go to Jordan, instead of it being done by Iraqis. They are seeing contracts being given out without any bidding process, going to American firms. Would you see this as working to help the Iraqis, if you were one of them? To understand the Iraqi resistance you must look at it from their perspective and not from the perspective of the occupying force. And lastly how do they know you are going to leave, some of your own generals have said you will probably be there for 10 years or more.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I invoke Godwin's Law on Grocka.
Penalty!
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I hope that was meant in some way as a joke, because Grocka has made some very valuable points.
I agree with him completely.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It's too easy, and below the belt, but...
quote:Originally posted by Omega: German troops sucked. We don't, as a general rule.
The German troops didn't do anything an sucky as shooting down their allies helicopters, or bombing their own convoys, did they?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Liam, they didn't have allies that they fought with along the same lines as the US, Italy wasn't all that good or large....
How long did we have troops in Germany, we still do, but not in the numbers we once had.... almost 50 years now since WWII ended.
Before you say, but we were there to keep Russia in check, because the same thing can happen with keeping Iran, Syria, and the rest of the middle east 'in check'.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
No, but the Wehrmacht was competant. Unlike the US armed forces. Also the Germans did fight alongside the Italians on many occasions and in WWI alongside Austro-Hungarian forces. Who really did suck.
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