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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

ush Boosts Defense, Trims Medicare in Record Budget (Update3)

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eb. 5 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush sent Congress a record $2.9 trillion spending blueprint for the coming year that seeks billions in savings from Medicare and Medicaid, boosts defense spending 12 percent and projects a surplus in five years.

Bush's budget, his first to a Congress controlled by Democrats, reflects the priorities of his presidency: the war in Iraq and homeland security. It also lays out a menu of politically perilous cuts affecting the poor, the elderly and the disabled.

The budget for the year beginning Oct. 1 boils down to an opening offer to Congress in the haggling over how much money will be available for hundreds of programs. Democrats already are greeting the package skeptically. They likely will challenge Bush on several fronts, criticize omissions such as long-term costs for Iraq and rewrite the plan to suit their own priorities in a year leading into presidential elections.

``I doubt that Democrats will support this budget, and frankly, I will be surprised if Republicans rally around it either,'' Representative John Spratt, a South Carolina Democrat and chairman of the House Budget Committee, said in a statement.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

yay war boo health care

Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :

So the American government can impeach a president for not being able to keep his dick out of the interns, but not when a president throws away thousands of lives and billions of dollars on a war that will inevitably fail...

Oh well, at least they're starting to learn that giving Bush more money is like giving a two year old a pack of matches.

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Let me say this very slowly: Clinton. Was impeached. For perjury. Saying otherwise is lying. Perjury is a very serious crime, of the "lock you up for decades" variety, regardless of what you happen to be lying about. Yes, Bush should be impeached. Clinton should have been as well. It's the correct response to your president committing serious crimes.

Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :

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Perjury is a very serious crime, of the "lock you up for decades" variety, regardless of what you happen to be lying about.

Bullshit. I have two words for you. Jeffery Archer.

As for Bush, what's the point of impeaching him? It would acheive nothing, and might even have the effect of vindicating the terrorists (I'm assuming these will be the sheep like follower / cannon fodder / suicide bomber types). The only solution is to make sure that an arse liek him does not get into the White House next time, and to ensure that Blair's sucessor has some sort of backbone, and an ability to tell a m,odicum of truth.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:
So the American government can impeach a president for not being able to keep his dick out of the interns, but not when a president throws away thousands of lives and billions of dollars on a war that will inevitably fail...

Oh well, at least they're starting to learn that giving Bush more money is like giving a two year old a pack of matches.

remember we're at war now ya traitor

[ February 07, 2007, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]

Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :

Ha, I'm Canadian remember? I owe no allegiance to the American nation or its leader.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The main problem with impeaching Bush is that, even if he's convicted, Cheney will still be president.

Also, perjury may have been the legal charge against Clinton, but it was still the sex that got them all upset. That was the real reason for the impeachment. It's just that it isn't illegal, so they had to use the perjury. If they could have charged him with "first degree blowjob reception" or "misusing a cigar with malicious intent" or something, they would have.

Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :

quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
"misusing a cigar with malicious intent"

I don't even want to know... [Eek!]

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

I think most plans involve impeaching Cheney simultaneously...

Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :

I'm no expert on the matter, but just to clarify, impeachment does *not* equate to getting kicked out of office. Clinton was impeached, after all.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

listen to ththis
is analysis of the budget from kcrw I found it very interesting

Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:
Ha, I'm Canadian remember? I owe no allegiance to the American nation or its leader.

Neither do I. *moons America* Kiss my Chinese Canadian, 75% commie bastard ASS!!!!

Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :

Just make sure you don't point it at Texas, or they'll start worshiping it or something. Not that I'm implying that they could see it from there [Big Grin]

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:

quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
"misusing a cigar with malicious intent"
I don't even want to know...

I don't think the intent was malicious

Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:

quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
"misusing a cigar with malicious intent"
I don't even want to know...
I don't think the intent was malicious

I still don't want to know.

Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:
listen to ththis
is analysis of the budget from kcrw I found it very interesting

Take me too long to check (rather hard to DL stuff when you're in the middle -some- body of water far, far away from where you want really good 'net access....

but i think that radio station is from the Oxnard/Ventura area... I religiously listened to the 2 NPR stations every morn as i drove to Pt Mugu to work (Ventura sucked for rock stations, other than the Santa Barbarian Station that played Beastie Boys every third song... [Roll Eyes]

)

Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :

KCRW has had some terrific music programmes I've visited through the magic of the intarweb, but this was the first political one. Seems I'll be tuning into them more frequently... Thanks for the link!

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness:

quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:
listen to ththis
is analysis of the budget from kcrw I found it very interesting
Take me too long to check (rather hard to DL stuff when you're in the middle -some- body of water far, far away from where you want really good 'net access....

but i think that radio station is from the Oxnard/Ventura area... I religiously listened to the 2 NPR stations every morn as i drove to Pt Mugu to work (Ventura sucked for rock stations, other than the Santa Barbarian Station that played Beastie Boys every third song... )

santa monica actually

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Saltah'na:

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:
Ha, I'm Canadian remember? I owe no allegiance to the American nation or its leader.
Neither do I. *moons America* Kiss my Chinese Canadian, 75% commie bastard ASS!!!!

how does one quantify such a thing?

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Saltah'na:

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:
Ha, I'm Canadian remember? I owe no allegiance to the American nation or its leader.
Neither do I. *moons America* Kiss my Chinese Canadian, 75% commie bastard ASS!!!!

how does onequantify such a thing?

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Omega:
I think most plans involve impeaching Cheney simultaneously...

this libbey trial might help that cause right along

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by bX:
KCRW has had some terrific music programmes I've visited through the magic of the intarweb, but this was the first political one. Seems I'll be tuning into them more frequently... Thanks for the link!

check out left right and center too

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:

quote:
Originally posted by Saltah'na:

quote:
Originally posted by Da_bang80:
Ha, I'm Canadian remember? I owe no allegiance to the American nation or its leader.
Neither do I. *moons America* Kiss my Chinese Canadian, 75% commie bastard ASS!!!!
how does onequantify such a thing?

Who cares? We're ALL commie pinkos up here! Didn't you see Red Dawn - we just let the Soviets through!

Mark <-- Two Vietnamese parents, one Canadian manifest destiny

Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :

Canada: We make Communism work!

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega:
I think most plans involve impeaching Cheney simultaneously...
this libbey trial might help that cause right along

Strangely, I doubt it.
Consider all the other shifty, immoral and unethical things this administration has done that the majority turns a blind eye to.

Amazing that Libby's defense amounts to "I cant remember", but hey, it worked well enough for Ronnie.

The republicans will, of course, attribute any investigation into Cheney's (or Bush's) involvment as payback for Clinton's impeachment.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Saltah'na:
Neither do I. *moons America* Kiss my Chinese Canadian, 75% commie bastard ASS!!!!

quote:
Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon:
Just make sure you don't point it at Texas, or they'll start worshiping it or something. Not that I'm implying that they could see it from there

I think you meant San Francisco, not Texas! [Smile]

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

No, it's Texas. I work in the Oil and Gas industry in Calgary. Even if you guys aren't bothering to conquer us so far, you Yanks still import most of your oil from up here. Believe me, many execs in Houston DO worship us. [Smile]

Mark

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Only because they're still in the closet- I've been to Texas: a bigger group of truck-drivin, hat-wearin', republican-votin', in-denial bozos is hard to imagine.

Picture an entire stste that believes whatever is schlocked out by FOXNews.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:

quote:
Originally posted by Jay the Obscure:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega:
I think most plans involve impeaching Cheney simultaneously...
this libbey trial might help that cause right along
Strangely, I doubt it.
Consider all the other shifty, immoral and unethical things this administration has done that the majority turns a blind eye to.

Amazing that Libby's defense amounts to "I cant remember", but hey, it worked well enough for Ronnie.

The republicans will, of course, attribute any investigation into Cheney's (or Bush's) involvment as payback for Clinton's impeachment.

or rather for their own malfesance
and perfidy

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

FREEM!

See, I can use wierd, made-up words too.

Mark

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

SQUEE!

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"See, I can use wierd, made-up words too."

Yeah, but you stole that from Stephen Colbert.

Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :

what a morale builder this is: Bush budget cuts veterans health care in 2009

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Bush budget cuts veterans health care in 2009SHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration's budget assumes cuts to veterans' health care two years from now -- even as badly wounded troops returning from Iraq could overwhelm the system.

Bush is using the cuts, critics say, to help fulfill his pledge to balance the budget by 2012. But even administration allies say the numbers are not real and are being used to make the overall budget picture look better.

After an increase sought for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing rapidly -- by more than 10 percent in many years -- White House budget documents assume consecutive cutbacks in 2009 and 2010 and a freeze thereafter.

The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends -- its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office -- sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better

[ February 15, 2007, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]

Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :

That headline is extremely misleading. Even in the text you quoted, it only says that the budget assumes future cuts, and the numbers are not real. Further down in that article:

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In fact, even the White House doesn't seem serious about the numbers. It says the long-term budget numbers don't represent actual administration policies. Similar cuts assumed in earlier budgets have been reversed.

The veterans cuts, said White House budget office spokesman Sean Kevelighan, "don't reflect any policy decisions. We'll revisit them when we do the (future) budgets."

So, this "cut" is only an assumption in order to try and balance the books, and not even a realistic assumption. I'll admit it's not good bookkeeping practice, but it's better than actually cutting veterans' health care.

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Good thing too- the army has trained a great many snipers, you know.