I think there should be more cultural diversity on starships that best represent the "population" of the Federation.
If there is gonna be a new series or movies they should add other races to the extras of the crew.
I hate to belive that the "population" of the Federation is mostly terran, and the percentage of those terrans are mostly white.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
It'd be nice, but...
It costs a lot to create alien extras, especially in terms of time.
If you consider the human crews as a statistical sample of the humans on Earth, if anything they should have more Asians. Assuming the population wasn't radically altered by WWIII. Remember, following Asians, European is the most widely spread and numerous background, constituting as it does the majority population on four continents.
Notwithstanding, I'd love to see an Andorian bridge officer.
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Posted by warbird5 on :
Maybe all the Asians were killed during WWIII, but that's kinda hard to believe b/c right now there's 3. billion Asians and only 600 million people were killed in the war. There's probably some ships consisting of just 1 species like the all vulcan ship we saw in DS9.
Posted by warbird5 on :
And there can't be that many humans since the population of the federation is somewhere between 5 and 10 trillion and the Terran population can't be more than 50 billion at the most.
Posted by warbird5 on :
BTW, i got the population of the Federation to be between 5 and 10 trillion from the estimate of Bashir's genetically altered friends. They said the Doiminion War will cost the Federation 900 billion lives. 900 billion is 9% of 10 trillion. 9% percent of the entire population of the Federation is real costly
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
*WHACKS Warbird*
Warbird, you don't know how much I find that "asians die in WWIII" comment as very offensive. Watch your mouth mister. I mean it.
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Dude calm down. Warbird did not mean anything by that statement. He was just throwing out an idea as to why you mostly see white terrans on starships.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Besides, a large number of the world's Asians live in the general area that a large number of the world's nuclear weapons are pointed at.
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Posted by warbird5 on :
dude, i didn't mean to offend anyone, btw i'm asian myself
Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :
Not good enough! You must now report for sensitivity training.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, during the Eugenics wars, Khan supposedly controlled a quarter of the planet, over in that area. Perhaps the Asian population was reduced then. Also, the vast majority of the population in Asia is in China. In our timeline, China is so overcrowded that they have to institute population control methods (taxing people who have multiple children, and such). Perhaps, in the Trek timeline, they took more... active measures to reduce the population.
Then, add to all that the people who would be killed in WW3 (at least some of them had to be Asian), and you might just have enough of a difference to place Europeans and their descendants in the majority.
BTW, I agree that the population of the Federation can't be mostly Terran. But we don't usually see a good cross-section of the UFP population. We see starship crews. It's more plausible that Starfleet has a large human population. (Not that it seems like it would be likely, but we've seen what we've seen...)
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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :
Am I the only one who would like to see a German Starfleet officer?
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Posted by warbird5 on :
i doubt humans make up the majority of StarFleet, They make up 25% of Starfleet and this is really disproptionate with their size in the Federation. I believe Starfleet groups people of the same race and species together. I also doubt the Asian people were all killed off. Asians make up more than half the population of the world now with 3.5 billion people. The Eugenics War wasn't all that deadly or least compared to WWIII. I doubt more than 50 million people died in the Eugenics war since it wasn't classified as a World War.
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
You know, it could be a cultural thing, too... Maybe most 'asian' people just don't want to space travel. Asian culture is far far different from the Western mindset.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Hey though - how many ships have we seen over the entire run of star trek - not many at all...
I reckon - but no one listens that there are ships like mostly terrans, mostly vulcans, mostly tellarites, mostly betzoids, mostly bolians, caitians, deltans, acturians, saurians, benzites, klaestrene, berengarians, galamites and trills, - I mean would you like to serve on a Betazoid ship - and be the only human... you would get SO paranoid. You'd end up being treated as a pet...
DS9 cause its a station - you get a more varied population but even still there seem to be less humans (Only Sisko, Bashir and O'Brien...) and we see a lot more Bolians than usual too)
Also - maybe since the E-D was the Federation flag ship - it had to be more of a representation...) Although there were no Andorians, Troi was half betzoid, Worf was raised by human parents and Data was and Human looking Android. The T'Plan Hath is probably a Vulcan majority crew and the Bokaarin is probably mostly Benzite. (yeah I made those last two up).
Also remember the Bajoran Militia were going to be absorbed into Starfleet Security - I doubt they'd be spread around the Federation - they'd probably just change uniforms.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
warbird: Actually, in "Space Seed", Spock confused the Eugenics War w/ WW3, so apparently it was rather large. I would guess it was never dubbed a "world war" because it didn't involve the entire world. We saw that Los Angeles was in pristine condition in VOY's "Future's End". Perhaps the America's never got involved w/ the Eugenics Wars, so it wasn't a world war.
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I read somewhere in a non-canon source that although major cities were destroyed, many of them were rebuilt almost to the building, using old video and picture footage.
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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :
I'd love to see more Asians in the Federation, but not just for political correctness' sake. If they want to give a role to an Asian, they'll have to make it real and give the character a lot of plot development, otherwise it'll just be boring. Before Harry Kim, who was the last Asian shown anyway. I seem to remember that starfleet captain played by Vijay Amritraj in TVH, but after that I don't remember seeing any.
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Posted by warbird5 on :
I doubt WWIII and the eugenics war could do enough to make white people the cultural majority. WWIII and the Eugenics War couldn't have killed over a billion people together. With 2.5 billion people asians would be the largest minority, way larger than the white population. The United States most likely was in the Eugenics war. Maybe Los Angeles was one of the few cities that was spared from a lot of destruction. In Future's End, it was an alternate timeline. it reverted back to the orginal timeline where there was a Eugenics War.
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
"I doubt WWIII and the eugenics war could do enough to make white people the cultural majority."
I think that should be "racial majority"...the same goes for the subject of the thread, actually, from what's being discussed.
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Posted by warbird5 on :
there hasn't been a lot of asians on the show, we have sulu and kim are the only asian main characters. there's been guest appearances by asians like when there was an indian captain when his ship was rendered useless by the whale probe.
and i did mean racial majority
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Orion: Don't forget Admiral... Nakamura, was it? The guy who wanted Picard to come to some Starfleet function that Picard was avoiding, and the E was having problems at the time, so Picard couldn't go anywhere, anyway. Damn, why can't I think of which episode that was...?
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
"Phantasms", with the weird nightmares of Data. Nakamura also was part of the early "Measure of a Man" which gave Data his human rights.
It might simply be that Asians ("Asians" here as opposed to Russians or Indians, who do have a presence in Starfleet) have the smarts to stay back home and reap the benefits of the space-galloping practiced by the more eager and naive elements of humanity.
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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
It just might possibly be that they were part of the early expansion, staked out the prime real estate, then decided to stick with a good thing. The Asian population might not be over-represented on screen because the majority of Asians have simply found more personally fulfilling things to do than gallop around the galaxy in Federation starships and get shot at by Borg, Cardassians, Klingons (when they're in "that mood"), Romulans, and the Dominion.
We have seen very few merchants in Star Trek. The ones we've seen are mostly down-and-out or barely making expenses. I can't believe this represents the true state of the Federation's economy. Perhaps we see so few Asians because they are part of a fleet we seldom see -- the Federation's Merchant fleet (the successful ones -- not those losers we see all the time )?
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