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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

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While talking to Star Trek Communicator magazine (via TrekWeb), Berman spoke of progress on the film's script, while also revealing that Brent Spiner has been involved in its development. Berman starts talking about the project beginning with kudos for Gladiator scribe John Logan, saying, "John is an extraordinary writer, The list of his works is very impressive- especially in the last few years. I actually met him through Brent Spiner and I am really looking to working with him. We have not begun working on the script yet, though John has written the story, along with myself and Brent Spiner. The premise has been accepted and approved by all the parties involved, and when all the proper contractual arrangements with our cast have been completed, John will commence writing the script."
When asked if Spiner will have been more involved in Trek X than any previous Trek feature, Berman answers, "Yes, Brent has been more involved in the story for this film. He and John have always wanted to work together on a story, and Brent has certainly been a terrific part of the process. As far as the script itself goes, that is all a question of how things evolve.
As far as if we can expect anything new or interesting to happen to Data in the coming film, Berman says, "Yes, I think you could say that. It's not the reason Brent joined us in the story process, but there certainly is a wonderful arc for Data in this movie."
Berman also revealed that the film will have an all-new villain though the story will still feature some previous known baddies. In addition, don't expect to see any characters from the other Trek franchises show up.
As far as the director of the film to come is concerned, Berman says, "We haven't even discussed that yet. Jonathan Frakes has done a terrific job on the last two movies, but I don't know what his schedule is going to be like. He has another project that he is involved with now- a movie he is going to be directing for Paramount and Nickelodeon. So I don't know if he is going to be available to do this or whether we will be looking elsewhere. That is all stuff we will concern ourselves with after the script has been written."

Well, at least it's making progress.

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

I think the next movie ought to have the Dominion War in it and include some of the DS9 cast. The Enterprise docks @ DS9 We could have Sisko finally bury the hatchet with Picard over the death of Jennifer Sisko. We could have Deanna meeting Worf and prehaps if staged early enough Jadzia Dax. That would provide some tension with all 3. And if Data dies He ought to go out fighting with some Jem'Hardar. It would be cool seeing the Enterprise fighting some Dominion Ships alongside the Defiant. They are outnumbered. We could have the Enterprise and Defiant being boarded. They beam onto the Enterprise Bridge and one starts firing at Picard and Data leaps forward and takes the shot but is damaged beyond repair. He repays Picard for the favor he did in Star Trek:First Contact and for sticking by him in Star Trek:Insurrection. The Crews working together defeat the Jem'Hardar and both ships fight their way out of the Dominion Fleet. In the Process The Enterprise damages her warp systems and has to be towed back to DS9 by the Defiant. We have Data's funeral where he is buried @ Omicron Theta where he was discovered. The Enterprise gets word that it has to return to be taken over by a new crew. They promote Picard to Admiral. He is given a starbase to command on the Klingon frontier. Riker is given a new ship of his own. Deanna is offered a posistion at Starfleet Command. Geordi is offered a posistion at Utopia Planetia as Engineer specialist on starship design. This leaves it possible for a DS9 movie to show us what happened after "What You Leave Behind"

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

:::blinks furiously:::

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Yeah, Darkstar, no offence, but you need to be WAY more coherant when you post. You know, puncutaion? Dividing your post according to subject? It's just a REAL pain to read, otherwise.

Your ideas don't make any sense, either. Are you not aware that the Dominion war is OVER? Or that Jadzia is dead, Sisko "walks with the Prophets", Worf is the Fed ambasador to Qo'noS, and Deanna is involved with Will again?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to have you here. But you need to think what you're posting through BEFORE you hit the button.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

I am worried about this "all new villain" thing. New villains seem to come in only a few types. There are Whale song probes, Vgers, and the Planet Killer who, like Godzilla and Gamera, are nearly omnipotent but actually are just misunderstood. All the drama results from our heroes' reaction to the danger. Then there are 2-bit villains like those skin-stretchers from Insurrection or the Kazon. To make them different from existing adversaries, you have to make them very weird. Since they are new, they have to be in a previously unknown area of space, they had to have travelled over long distances to get to the Federation, or they were minor power that are now big players. They have to really want something that no one has really wanted before, like newly discovered paradise planets or amazing new devices. This means they most pre-existing conflicts have to be thrown out or are not the main story. Or you can go the random "mad scientist," terrorist, or misunderstood megalomaniac route, like Soran. But then you have a James Bond movie.

For these reasons and because they always try to attract people who don't actually watch Star Trek (what's the point?), they can't use too much from the TV show. However, First Contact used the Borg and was much better than either Generations or Insurrection. But I think the Dominion War continuity will be considered too difficult for the movie-going public to understand, so it'll be ignored for the most part.

So within these pretty narrow parameters, any one has any good ideas for ST X?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

I will say this one more time: SELA! We absolutely MUST deal with the current condition of the Alpha quadrant. I think this should involve the whole Reunification plot that kinda dropped out of existance. Sela would be a ready-made villian, and she's none to fond of Data, so you could work that in. We could also find out the ultimate fate of Spock.

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Sela might be good, but I assume they won't be using any main characters from the other series so they sure won't be using any villains. The big problem is that TPTB think the movie has to be pretty simple so that even idiots can understand. Also, Voyager is perceived as being much less popular than TNG or even DS9. I doubt that loose ends will be tied up at all.

I do hope that they hire a good (action-movie) director rather than letting one of the cast members direct.

OOOPPPPSSS!!!

Sorry -- disregard what I just said, I confused Sela with Seska!!!. HA! But the part about the loose ends still holds true.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Actually? I still think the Breen are a viable "enemy." They've always been cloaked in mystery & their relatively late entry into the Dominion War didn't really build much on them. What do we know? They wear refridgeration suits, but the homeworld is quite nice. They have organic ships. They use disruptors & are notoriously deceptive. Some have gone privateer.

Works for me.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Yes, the Breen ...

Apparently big fans of George Lucas and "Star Wars" ... they look a little Boushh (sp?) like, dontcha think?

Pretty cool baddies all around, tho.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Well, apparently the interview contained Berman saying:

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Q: What will be the mood of this film?
A: I think this film is a bit more light-hearted and more action-oriented. In a nutshell, it's a rip-roaring adventure with a lot of humor.

Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury, I hereby present to you Star Trek: Insurrection, Part II.

Ugh.

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

Yes I am aware that Jadzia Dax is dead! But I mean we ought to have a movie with her in it as her death and Terry Farrel quitting ended Jadzia's character developement. We could have her appear as a ghost. I think she was more sexier then Nicole Doboer. It could be set before her death, Yes I know the war is over but it ended rather too quickly for my likeing in "What You Leave Behind". We ought to have the Enterprise helping herd the fleets of Dommie ships out of Cardassian Space toward the Wormhole. They're so many unanswered questions.
1) How many ships have Starfleet now got?
2) How many ships have the Cardassians now got?
3) What is the state of San Fransico?
3) What is the state of Betazed?
4) What are borders like in the Alpha Quadrant?
5) How many Federation lives wre lost?
6) What are the Klingons and Romulans up to?

Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

I believe that the next movie will be set after 2375. And that is all I believe about the movie.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

1) How many ships have Starfleet now got?

Enough for a 5th series.

2) How many ships have the Cardassians now got?

Probably none, as an occupied territory.

3) What is the state of San Fransico?

Rapidly rebuilt. We DO that in high-tech worlds, you know.

3) What is the state of Betazed?

Liberated. But there's probably a book coming out on this in 2002 or so anyway.

4) What are borders like in the Alpha Quadrant?
Hell, we've NEVER known that! It's irrelevant to the storytelling.

5) How many Federation lives wre lost?
A lot.

6) What are the Klingons and Romulans up to?
Ask the guys making Series V.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"I think she ["Terry Farrel" (sic)] was more sexier then Nicole Doboer."

Hm... Apparently she wasn't just sexier, she was more sexier. Not that that's really important. That's the entire reason Voyager hired Jeri Ryan, and it didn't help their stories any.

Not to mention that fact that there are some of us who would beg to differ w/ you about Terry Farrell/Nicole de Boer... :-)

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

*HomerSpeak*

Mmm... Ezri...

*/HomerSpeak*

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

-How Many Ships Have Starfleet Now Got?

How many ships did Starfleet begin with? I'd have to peg Starfleet at 40,000 ships, maximum strength: warships, supply ships, troop transports, everything lumped in that number. A rough guess, I would say that at least 25% of Starfleet's ships were destroyed outright, with a much larger number heavily damaged, crippled, and in desperate needs of repair.

-How Many Ships Have The Carddasians Got?

None. Well, there may be several Galor-Class warships left over from when the Cardies switched sides, but those ships are in Federation Alliance custody as the Cardies are an occupied state. While they may get those ships back, it won't be for many *many* years...

-What is the state of San Francisco?

California.

-What is the state of Betazed?

Probably pretty bad off. It depends on whether or not the Dominion forces were *forced* off, or left peacefully when the war ended. If the Federation had to send in ground troops to retake it, its probably in about as bad condition as Cardassia, because I doubt the Dominion wouldn't practice "scorched earth" as an effective tactic.

Although, I vaguely remember hearing something about the possibilities of the Romulans liberating Betazed? Not sure about that one, although, if that *did* happen, it would be like Poland ... forcefully added to the Romulan's list of worlds ... (like Poland and the USSR)

-What are borders like in the Alpha Quadrant?

I think its safe to say that each of the "Big Three" (Fed, Klingons, Romulans) have gotten a big chunk of new territory, either out of Breen space, or Cardassian space.

Here's a question: did the Breen surrender too? I know they stopped fighting, but did they take all their ships back to their sector and close it off and play by themselves again; or did they completely surrender, which would mean there might be occupation forces on the Breen homeworld as well ...

-How many Federation lives were lost?

How about we just go for Allied losses total, okay? I'd say tens of billions, from the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, and whichever non-aligned worlds were attacked as well. In "Yesterday's Enterprise", Picard said 40 billion people had died in the war with the Klingons, so I'd think a number of 35 - 55 billion dead wouldn't be that far from the mark.

-What are the Klingons and Romulans up too?

Well, the Klingons are probably trying to rebuild their fleet. I think of the Three, theirs was the smallest, so they've got a lot of work to do. They're also occupying parts of Cardassia, and possibly even Breen. Hell, I wouldn't put it past them to be building a fleet to go into the Gamma Quadrant and finish off the Dominion!

I'd imagine the Romulans are doing much the same thing, rebuilding, laying low. Unless Breen space borders the Empire, the Romulans probably suffered the least (which isn't to say they didn't suffer, however). Since the Romulans represent the Soviets (sorta), I'd imagine there was some sort of massive Dominion push into Romulan space which was repelled at some point.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Occupying the Breen homeworld.. ooh, very Cold War.

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :

I personally beleive that the Cardassian Union still exsists but is under Alliance rule by a council with 1 Federation,Klingon and Romulan representative. I think the Breen are probaly under constant surviellance by staships @ their borders. I think Starfleet lost in total 15,000 starships out of 35,000 starships. They lost 750 starships to the Borg in Star Trek:First Contact. The Kilngons lost 10,000 star ships out of 25,000 ships. The Romulans lost 7,500 ships out of 30,000 ships. The Klingons are the worst off with only 15,000 ships left.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

What, wait...750 to the Borg? Where did you get THAT number from? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

DarkStar, where do you get the numbers for ship losses? Those all seem to be noncanon info which cannot be taken as fact.

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Well, Pulling things out of your ass would hurt wouldn't?

To defnd DarkStar, he is perhaps refering to the entire fleets including non-combat and small craft. To him this might have been an educated guess.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

No, them sounds like ass-pickings to me. Or UPI & II ramblings. God, how I hate those ramblings...

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

I think he's taking the piss. Either that or to paraphrase Gideon from "Crusade," we've just met the perrfect example of the perfect fanboy.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

You're one to talk Voggy. You watch Crusade. Ha ha.

Okay, let's clarify the whole "TPTB think the public are stupid thing".

TPTB by and large assume for the Trek movies that the audience has little or no prior Trek knowledge. If they reuse a previos character/plot device, it has to be something that can be explained easily. For instance, when I first say Star Trek II over a decade ago, I had no idea who Kahn was. Hell, I barely knew who Kirk was, having seen about 20 TNG episodes in total. It didn't matter ajot. It was quickly explained what Kirk had done, and then we got on with the movie. Sure, it might have had more resonance if you had seen "Space Seed", but even if you hadn't, you still understood everything. Even if you only had the barest of ideas of who Spock was, you were still moved by his death.

Star Trek III was, in some ways, a better Trek movie, but for the general public, it was less good, because it relied on them having seen the previous movie, and it was more steeped in "Trek Lore".

Again, this is reflected in the relative successes of Generations and First Contact. STG was much more "Trek mythology" than FC. Big time travel thing brings two generations of Enterprise Captain together in an anti-climatic way? Pah. Half-humans half-robits who are very scarey try to take over? Much better. (You could argue that the B-plot was VERY steeped in Trek's history, but it wsa presented in a relatively light-hearted manner that for the mainstream audience, it worked as a breather or comic relief from the heavy Borg stuff).

And factoring in how popular TNG was, a large number of people might actually know of the Borg anyway (refering to the casual watchers TSN once mentioned that actually watched TNG, but don't watch DS9 or Voyager). And in any case, the Borg are pissingly easy to explain. The first minuter of that movie is brilliant. In one short sequence, we're shown:
1/ The Borg do things on a BIG scale (and therefore, they're powerful)
2/ They turned Picard into one of them
3/ He has nightmares about it (and therefore is still scared by it).

Pretty much all the information you need to understand the movie. They didn't sit down and go into detail over Wolf 359, and (thank Primus) they didn't mention Hugh.
The Dominion would need a fair amount of explanation to be effective as villians. IN fact, I'm not sure how effective they'd be in a movie. The are a bit too complex to explain and use in 120 minutes. It could be pulled off, and I'd like to see it pulled off, but I'm not confident, and glad that they're not touching them.

Oh, and don't ask me to explain Trek VI. Maybe the cold war parallels were enough for everyone to get it. Maybe because it was the last TOS adventure everyone liked it. Maybe it was just really cool (gotta love that torpedo going straight through the Enterprise's hull), but still, in the end, it wasn't as successful as Trek VI.

Oh (again), Insurrection failed because it was lightweight pap. I love light-hearted Trek episodes, because they're a break from the norm. However, that's a norm of 26 episodes a year, not 1 movie every two.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Bah. I actually go to the effort of putting some thought into a post, wasting a good 5 hours of my life typing it (in case you are unawares, I got into fight in a club recently and had both my arms ripped off. I have to now do all my typing with my nose), and what response do I get? Nauda. Tsk. If I'd posted "Star Trek X should pick up right from the end of 'What you Leave Behind' and for two hours it should explain in detail what the terms of the surrender were, and then Voyager should come through the wormhole where they will talk for another two hours about whether or not Starfleet knew about the Borg prior to "Q Who", and then Commander Tomalok should turn up, because I want to know what happened to him", whould you be more happy? WOULD YOU?

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Chill, Liam.

I'm really good at ending a thread.

Just sit back and enjoy the other topics.

But don't sit back too far - you've no arms.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Perhaps, Liam, it's just that you've summed things up rather well, and there isn't much left to say?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Liam,

For my bit, I enjoyed your post ... er, the first one, not the ranting one ... but I really didn't think I could contribute anything ...

I'll post a reply to your post if you'll post a reply to mine

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

You didn't enjoy the ranting one? Why not. Let me spell it out for you.

Every single letter I write is like honey from the literature gods. They should all be studied, and stored in memory. For ever. For they are some of the finest arrangements of words that you will ever see. Worship my words, poor fools, for they have power.

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Someone's cocky tonight.

Er ... get yer mind out of yon gutter!

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

Time for the hip waders.....

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