First: Is it that necessary to make Seven of Nine's "things" so embarassingly out of proportion? Second: I think Janeway should consider giving Seven a StarFleet rank and stuff. I mean she's probably the smartest individual on board.
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
They don't have a choice they are that big in real life.
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Posted by Saboc on :
really? Hmmmm....interesting
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Giving her a Starfleet uniform might be a good idea. She looked pretty good in "Relativity". I think she'd look great in the First Contact uniforms.
Keep in mind though, TPTB wanted someone who would make human males spasmatically drop their remotes when they happened upon Voyager. They got it! Not to impune Jeri Ryan's value to the show. She's a great actress. She just also happens to be really hot!
I agree though, that the costumes (designed by the Doctor by the way) are a bit exhibitionist.
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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :
I'm not complaining
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Doc designs Seven's clothes.
Seven's clothes are skin-tight lycra.
Hmm...
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Posted by Lt. Tom on :
Well, initially that silver number of hers was skin-regenerative or some such. (Yes, TPTB actually came up with a justification!) Apparently Seven's decided that these designs are an "efficient" use of cloth.
I really don't think a commission is in order--I think it would be better if she were allowed to rediscover Annika Hansen first--but I'll agree a Starfleet uniform would be a nice change of pace. (Crew gatherings and away missions come to mind.)
Oh, and Saboc: the father of Vulcan logic is Surak.
Posted by Saboc on :
Yeah, that's right. why is it that Seven's clothes are so tight? Why can't she wear a dress or something like that?
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Posted by Saboc on :
Thanks Tom..
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, I was under the impression that, although Jeri Ryan can't claim to have an undersized bust line, they still pad her outfit to... enhance these particular features... Personally, I would care if they did her up in full-blown, neck-choking Puritan dress; she's still worth looking at...
Er... Ah... For her acting ability only, of course... Ah... That's it... Yeah... :-)
P.S.--The above is a joke. While I have to admit that she's exceedingly attractive, I am, contrary to popular belief, mature enough to see more than breats and hips. So, don't go beheading me, or anything... *remains wary of the womenfolk, just in case* :-)
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Well, *everybody* in Trek gets bosom padding as long as she's a she. Not in order to increase bustline, but to hide those pesky nipples that one just cannot show in prime time. The exceptions are the uniforms that are thick enough by themselves to take care of this hugely important point - probably including the current FC-style Starfleet uniforms. OTOH, at least Terry Farrell complained that the FC uniforms are horridly tight and hot and generally uncomfortable.
Probably the miniskirts of TOS were the most practical piece of clothing for the actors under the hot studio lights. Come to think of it, those would also be the most practical uniforms for Starfleet officers in "reality", given how they serve inside cramped starships that must get really hot in battle. Strange that Kirk only wore a miniskirt thrice, Spock and McCoy characters just once. (Name the episodes! )
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
"Bread and Circuses?" "Plato's Stepchildren?"
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
That's two out of four (I just remembered another one)...
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Pesky Nipples? Somebody should speak to Gates McFadden then, huh...
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
I think a dress would be to much of a hassle to wear on a starship. And miniskirts show skin and as far as I can tell the people in charge want to get away from that. Remember at the begining of TNG there were crew members who had them and now you don't see them. I'm also in agreement with TSN about seven.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There's a rather interesting article about the designing of Seven's various suits in this months "Star Trek: Magazine".
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Can't show nipples in prime time? Watched Friends lately (or ever)? My GOD! Anyway. Starfleet has always been quick to throw visitors into skin tight clothing.
Not that I wish to give dignity to this point but, Jeri Ryan hasn't had too much added to her. Did anyone see the MTV special she hosted in a bikini and a towl? I'll leave the rest to your collective imaginations.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Wouldn't a "Dress Seven!" applet be fun where several outfits can be tested?
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Well.. she wouldn't get a uniform until she became a Starfleet officer, so I'm afraid that she has to stay in her civilian clothes.... DAMN... You'll never see me complain!!
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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :
I've read that article, and it says that since her costume is made of dance material, it's actually more manuverable than everyone else's costume.
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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :
Listen, I have the perfect solution to this argument over Seven's clothing. She should wear nothing, yes that's right, perform naked. That would solve the problem of clothing her wouldn't it?
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You know what I think? You are all a bunch of perverts !
Seriously, I was disappointed to see such a cheap method of boosting the show's ratings. I thought that those days (since TOS) had been left behind, but no, 7 of 9 has basically the same function in her civilian clothing as the female officers did in their miniskirts in TOS: to keep the show from going down!
(Which is not to say 7 doesn't look good )
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Posted by Lt. Tom on :
Yeah, but they could have done a lot worse... Jeri Ryan actually has some less tangible attributes, too. (Acting ability is the one I'm thinking of.)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Why can't Seven have a SF uniform? All the Maquis got them, and Chakotay is the only one (that we know of) who was actually in Starfleet.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
On the other hand, Kes and Neelix didn't get them.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
True but on the few occations when Neelix served as a security officer or something, into a gold uniform he went. I don't know if this means anything or not. Personally I think Jeri will continue to look and act brilliantly no matter what they put her in. Although because of the jaw dropping effect that those regen. suits tend to have on the typical male audience, I don't see them going away any time soon.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Actually, I don't think Neelix has ever worn a Starfleet uniform in reality, has he? I thought all his appearences in one have been in alternate realities or future timelines.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Yes, it was just "Before and After", "Year of Hell", and "Living Witness", was it not?
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