A bit chatty, but the combat stuff more than made up for it. Also nice to see that they take better care of thier warp-core now too. Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Those aren't spoilers... I should post what happens in the movie... but I won't.
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: Those aren't spoilers... I should post what happens in the movie... but I won't.
Not yet anway. Just covering my butt in case people start discussing the plot, or lack of... Or anything else related to the movie. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Saw it. Loved it! John Logan wrote a really good script and best of all: All the enterprise crew are portrayed as SMART! I rank it as the best of the trek films, or at least on equal footing with First Contact.
Biiig questions for those that saw it: was that Ro Laren sitting with Guinan at the reception? There was no real cast listing at the end save for the major players and guinan/wesley.....not even a listing of the actor that played the Preator! I satyed for the whole credits to see that damn list!
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
So, how many pips did Janeway have? Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Which is, naturally, the biggest question any of us have about the film. Gonna be taking in the early show tonight - I hope it's not overly packed. Obviously, this thread will soon be full of first impressions.. Mine will join 'em shortly. Anyone deliverately NOT watching the movie tonight?
Mark <-- So, how many pips?
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I'm curious about some things. Imdb says Pulaski and Lwaxana are in the film; am I correct in assuming they have very small roles? And just what is the weird-looking guy who has his hands on Shinzon's head?
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: I'm curious about some things. Imdb says Pulaski and Lwaxana are in the film; am I correct in assuming they have very small roles? And just what is the weird-looking guy who has his hands on Shinzon's head?
Not that I saw... if this were true then I'm sure they would have made a big deal about it, like with Guinan, Wesley, and Janeway. The IMDb probably fell prey to some fanboys. I'm not even sure Majel Barrett did the computer voice... there was only one voiceover, and it sounded garbled, sort of like it was recycled or something.
But overall, I very much enjoyed the movie. Glad I avoided most of the spoilers... there were quite a few suprises. And thankfully, this time around there were no "outside" characters like Anij or Lily interfering with the natural interplay between the TNG cast. Picard and Beverly got a scene together, however brief, and so did Geordi and Data. I think it ended too abruptly though... you want to turn the page and find more, but the whole thing was over. Nemesis could have definitely benefitted from an extra fifteen minutes or more.
And Deck 29 on the Enterprise-E? Will they make up their minds already?
I'll have my full review later...
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
I generally concur - I enjoyed the movie... it had its absolute shit moments, but that's come to be expected.
I am actually quite impressed, as I was expecting a disaster.
I do want to try and get a better glimpse of those attending the wedding, though... I'm sure we know quite a few more people there.
As for Janeway's pips... she was on a slightly fuzzy viewscreen (which is actually a plus - we actually see a video image rather than perfect video being overlayed... someone was paying attention!), and I don't recall being able to make out the pips...
If Steph and I go see it again....
That was definately Majel Barrett as the computer - no one else can pull off that voice, plus it sounded a bit aged...
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
I caught the 12:50pm show today. I throught the movie was very well done, better than I had thought it to be. I was afraid that with a new writer and director that the film wouldn't have a "Trek" feel to it, fortunately, I was wrong. It was very close to FC in feeling, and the cameos were well placed, although Janeway's drew a few boos in the theater I was in.
The E-E can sure take a pounding and keep going. The E-D wan't a tenth of the ship the E-E is. I burst out laughing at a rather odd part in the movie, when Shinzon says "Fire at the flanking warbird", I heard "Fire at the f*cking warbird"! Everyone around me wondered what was so funny...
I fail to see how the E caused so much damage to the Scimitar, it seemed to be mostly cosmetic.
I also thought the "I'll be in the gym" and "Mrs. Troi" lines were funny and not as cheesy as they sounded on paper. Also, B4's "Man with the shiney head" and "tall man with a fuzzy face" lines were good. The audience laughed when B4 asked if he'd done something wrong when Data put him in the armrest in the ARGO.
Lastly, leaving the theater, I heard people commenting "How dare they kill my favorite character!" and the like. I imagine the exact same thing was said 20 years ago, too. Of course, we know what will happen, B4 will eventually process Data's memories and everything will be fine again.
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Capps: That was definately Majel Barrett as the computer - no one else can pull off that voice, plus it sounded a bit aged...
That's probably it... her VO wasn't as energetic as in the past.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
One thing that I really loved from the movie: When we first see the E-E, and when we see the E-E in drydock at the end, the music from the first viewing of the E-nil in TMP was used. And I loved the overall music of the movie. That synth thing whenever we see Shinzon - very cool.
And I wonder if John Logan is a fan of Star Trek: Renaissance? The Romulan senator that was in league with Shinzon was named Talora. Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: And I loved the overall music of the movie.
Agreed... I never sicken of hearing the TNG theme, especially when applied to the Enterprise or Picard. It's very suiting.
Some other random plot observations:
I'm glad that all references to Beverly leaving were removed... Riker and Troi I can accept moving on since Riker's goal has always been to command his own ship, but Beverly going back to Starfleet Medical seems wrong.
Also nice that Wil Wheaton was at least shown in frame, even if his lines were cut. Like him or hate him, Wesley is part of the TNG family, and if this is the last film to feature the entire cast he has a right to be there. Like the ending, though, the wedding scene was way too short. They should have at least worked in Worf's line in the novelization about not being "suited for the life of a diplomat."
So is Janeway now a Starfleet secretary with admiral's pips? Seemed like it to me... but maybe I'm just making things up to keep my sanity. Damned Boston Public keeping Jeri Ryan away...
I liked the whole supporting cast too. Dina Meyer was great in her few scenes, and it's a bit frightening how Tom Hardy looks like Patrick Stewart... granted, they used some latex, but it's still uncanny.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
So who's the freaky guy who hangs out with Shinzon?
*won't see the movie for a while unless one of you takes me to see it and pays* Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ron Perlman, I believe. He's the Reman Viceroy.
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: So who's the freaky guy who hangs out with Shinzon?
Sorry, I must've got caught up in the excitement. Massive spoilers, of course....
That's the Viceroy, a Reman who worked in the Reman mines with the young Shinzon. He was supposedly part of Shinzon's army in the Dominion War, and helped him build power and acquire the Scimitar. He also has telepathic powers, and during that scene entered Troi's mind and committed a "Violations"-style mental rape against her.
Troi later turns the tables, letting the Enterprise find the Scimitar.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Yes, I must see the movie. *sigh*
Seeing as this is a massive spoiler thread by nature, and I haven't found out elsewhere, are the Remans offshoots (a la Vulcans and Romulans) of the Romulans or are they generally the same species?
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
Just got back. Saw the first showing too, (well in canadian maritimes anyway)it was a great movie, although somewhat lacking in intensity sure it was intense but they could've been a little closer to earth and they could've had a larger battle, but hey im not the wirter and the movie was great anyway...anyone for seconds?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I don't recall any mention of the actual origins of the Remans in the movie.
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: Seeing as this is a massive spoiler thread by nature, and I haven't found out elsewhere, are the Remans offshoots (a la Vulcans and Romulans) of the Romulans or are they generally the same species?
They never explain outright, but it's implied that the Remans were a less sophisticated, possibly pre-warp race conquered by the Romulans when they came along and colonized Romulus. Going by appearance anyway, the Remans seem way too different from the Vulcan lineage to be genetically connected.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
koy'peled Oy'tio: You live in Tracy?! That's like 30 minutes from me! Out in the middle of nowhere *L* Where'd you go to see it, F'ton? I went to SJ, as I just live 20 mins from there.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
When I saw the movie at the premire, I loved it. When I saw it again today, I was bothered by trivial things.
The things that bothered me:
-29 Deck? Didn't Logan try to say at least 26 like in First Contact.? -What happened to the quantum torpedoes? -I only saw in the Stellar Cartography scene one starship name readable on the viewscreen... the USS Galaxy. I could have sworn the other 7 ships had USS Voyager and USS Titan but I'm not sure. -When Picard ordered to ram the ship, why didn't he have people evacuate the foward saucer?
Oh and Janeway looked like she had the 2 star admiral rank. But she had a nice office with a view of the Golden Gate Bridge.
Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
At one point, quantums were fired from the ventral launcher...only a short burst.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
This was a great action adventure movie. It was so-so Star Trek.
I liked it a lot, but I've got this sizable problem with it. Namely, that most of the plot centered on "just because," and we got little by the way of attention to detail.
Why was the Romulan military gung-ho on an invasion of the Federation? Just because.
How did the Remans get their hands on a Soong prototype? They just did.
Why is a star system that's presumably in Federation space, along their most historically dangerous border, uncharted? Just because.
Why was Worf there? Just because.
Why were less than a dozen people in all of the Empire interested in the complete destruction and radical realignment of their government? Just because.
Why did the Enterprise fly right through the center of the comm-dampening nebula? Just because.
Was Shinzon telling the truth about his origin? Why did his understandable antagonism with Picard extend to the destruction of Earth? Where were the slightly redesigned D'deridexs? Why are the Remans crazy powerful telepaths?
Not all of these are huge issues. And none of them were large enough to make me not enjoy this film. But it felt very much like a great deal of detail was lost somewhere, and too much of the plot seemed to just happen.
Posted by StarFire (Member # 748) on :
*whine* I have to wait until Wednesday to see it. Getting tickets to the afternoon showing while trying to get tickets to the night showings of LOTR:TTT. Double header that day! Whoo!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: Oh and Janeway looked like she had the 2 star admiral rank. But she had a nice office with a view of the Golden Gate Bridge.
Through bizarre Tesseract architecture, every room in San Francisco in the 23rd and 24th centuries has a view of the Golden Gate.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
That or SmartGlasstm.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Didn't Kirk have a great view of that bridge also in Star Trek: II?
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: The things that bothered me:
-What happened to the quantum torpedoes?
-I only saw in the Stellar Cartography scene one starship name readable on the viewscreen... the USS Galaxy. I could have sworn the other 7 ships had USS Voyager and USS Titan but I'm not sure.
-When Picard ordered to ram the ship, why didn't he have people evacuate the foward saucer?
Ok... Prehaps now that the war is over, they've decided to pull the quantums off the ships?
I saw several well-known names on the ship list, all with different NCC numbers than what we've established here. New ships to replace the ones lost in the Dominion War?
As for evac... No time. Besides, the damage to the forward saucer wasn't as "bad" as it should have been. I mean they took a chunk out of the Simi, but the EE should have had far more structural damage.
Love that effect when the engines are damaged. The core arcs and sparks and then goes down. FINALLY! Automated emergancy shutdown! Posted by Capt_Spencer (Member # 312) on :
My brother and I saw it last night for the early 5:20 showing - stadium-style seating, baby, oh yeah...
What an AWESOME movie!! In my opinion, after only one viewing, I'd say it's equally on par with Wrath of Khan & First Contact.
I agree about the "just because" comments, but likewise, a lot of that could be explained away either in the novel or the expanded DVD version we'll see in 5 months or so. =)
There were a LOT of nice touches in the film, though:
1. and I must stress this as the first point, absolutely NO references to Archer's NX-01 Enterprise! YAY Not even a model of it in the display of the standard 6, nil thru E.
2. Humor was well-done, well-timed. The drunken Worf's "...Irving Berlin..." comment, the Picard at the gym comment, "Data - shut up." comment, Majel getting to say "Auto destruct, offline.", I loved it all...
3. Oh my God, could they fit more space battles or laser fights in?? LOL Pretty sweet and amazing VFX tech. I wonder what happened to all of Starfleet's beam weaponry, though? =/ The bridge "evacuation" scene was cool, too, if sad for those redshirts.
4. FINALLY we get to see some Romulans, and even a new design which isn't as bad as I thought. It's no Andy Probert, but it fits the Sovereign era.
5. Past refs - Riker's call for "Helm, pattern Kirk 7" or whatever the number... Janeway was cool, even, she'd want some desk time after all the crap they went thru in the Delta Quadrant. Guinan got some good lines, I'm pretty sure I saw the Traveler at the wedding, and I'm sure there were a lot more we'll see in the DVD. Riker reminiscing about Data was cool, and that he (unlike us star trek geeks) couldn't remember the name of Data's whistling song...
6. After all this time of only Peter David getting the reins, we finally see Riker & Troi gettin' it on, and gettin' it together, a nice follow-up to the bath & library scenes in Insurrection.
7. Sense of scale - the Reman hangar bay, the damage effects, the long corridors on Enterprise, all damned sweet.
8. I was at first worried that Trek music might be getting stale with Goldsmith again, but he actually pulled off a lovely score, if a bit over-synthed. Also, it was worth it to get to hear the "Enterprise in drydock" theme from TMP again. =)
9. Everybody got a sweet part for ther character, and their careers. LOL -Riker got to kill off the guy who mind-raped his wife, plus I think they went back to Alaska for the Picard ceremony in dress uniform, right? -Picard got to battle his enemy ship-to-ship (literally) and in man to man combat. -Troi got to show off her body and get revenge against her attacker, AND crash another Enterprise after revealing Scimitar's location. Very cool. -Data got to sing, Brent Spiner's fondest wish, I'm sure, and he got to kill him off because of the age issue that always nagged him. Plus there's the opportunity to see more android development in B4 if he ever wanted to take up the role again. -Worf didn't really get to do much, and he was looking a little old & tired, but the Romulan Ale scene was funny. Hopefully more in the DVD. -Geordi was cool too, though not as much to do either. Nodding goodbye to Data & his comments about the impenetrable Reman cloak were great, though.
Now some things that bugged me:
1. I can understand seeing nothng in orbit of Romulus - they'd all be cloaked. But come on, not a single Starfleet vessel or Station seen other than the Enterprise and her drydock? They were in orbit of Earth!!
2. The list of Starfleet ships they were *going* to intercept - a bit odd, but I'll list what I remember, USS Galaxy USS Nova USS Aries USS Intrepid A lot of first-of-the-class ships there, but I really wanted them to show up, so we could see the Aries - isn't that a Renaissance? Logan probably threw that in there just to haunt us ASDB members... LOL
3. I would have liked the chance to see Enterprise towed home. First off, I would have towed them right to the Fed. fleet as soon as I showed up if I were those Romulans, I mean the Scimitar can't track two ships at once, let alone many once they arrived.
I dunno, there's probably more I could comment on, but I have to get up today. lol
Jason
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:1. and I must stress this as the first point, absolutely NO references to Archer's NX-01 Enterprise! YAY Not even a model of it in the display of the standard 6, nil thru E.
A U.S.S. Archer was part of the fleet. And someone in the S&T-Forum said that there was a model of the NX-01.
I've heard that Picard is looking on some photos when he was a cadet and that the was bald on this photos. Can anyone confirm this?
BTW: Was it ARIES or misspelled AIRES?
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Originally posted by StarFire:
quote: *whine* I have to wait until Wednesday to see it. Getting tickets to the afternoon showing while trying to get tickets to the night showings of LOTR:TTT. Double header that day! Whoo!
Whine because of a few days. I will have to wait another month to see the film!!
(Or 130 hours until my download is finally complete... )
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: koy'peled Oy'tio: You live in Tracy?! That's like 30 minutes from me! Out in the middle of nowhere *L* Where'd you go to see it, F'ton? I went to SJ, as I just live 20 mins from there.
Well i went to see it at the Regent Empire (Empire Theatres), 30 mins eh, that would put you in russagornich? (think thats how it's spelt) If not where then?
Posted by Capt_Spencer (Member # 312) on :
quote: A U.S.S. Archer was part of the fleet. And someone in the S&T-Forum said that there was a model of the NX-01.
I've heard that Picard is looking on some photos when he was a cadet and that the was bald on this photos. Can anyone confirm this?
BTW: Was it ARIES or misspelled AIRES?
I didn't notice USS Archer - though that could be named for anybody. I wlll certainly try to get all of the names in repeat viewings! lol
Neither my brother nor I saw *any* NX-01 models. There were six arranged on the wall, on each side of the conf, lounge, IIRC, and there was a crystal Ent-E in his ready room - this is all from memory, but I didn't see any NX class. *shudder*
Picard, unfortunately (to avoid confusing newbies) had absolutely no hair in his academy photo. We saw him with a mop in "Tapestry" when he got stabbed, and he still had a comb-over in the flashback w/ Beverly at Jack Crusher's death. Of course, we could just assume he had a very close academy shave and grew it out again for his graduation...
I think it was spelled correctly, Aries. But, then, this is again from memory. =)
Jas
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike:
quote:1. and I must stress this as the first point, absolutely NO references to Archer's NX-01 Enterprise! YAY Not even a model of it in the display of the standard 6, nil thru E.
A U.S.S. Archer was part of the fleet. And someone in the S&T-Forum said that there was a model of the NX-01.
I've heard that Picard is looking on some photos when he was a cadet and that the was bald on this photos. Can anyone confirm this?
BTW: Was it ARIES or misspelled AIRES?
yes in fact there is such a picture, and strangly enough Baird decided to spend a little of showtime so that we can get a look at it, and big surprise it is just a dressed up shinzon (Tom Hardy)
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I wlll certainly try to get all of the names in repeat viewings!
No need for that: USS Intrepid USS Valiant USS Galaxy USS Aries USS Nova USS Hood USS Archer
But you could try to get the registries of the Intrepid, Valiant, Nova, and Archer.
quote:Neither my brother nor I saw *any* NX-01 models.
Good to hear that. Not that I don't like Enterprise but the E-E display was the only one that made sense because it was limited to Federation Starfleet vessels.
quote:Picard, unfortunately (to avoid confusing newbies) had absolutely no hair in his academy photo.
*censored* Did he wear a uniform on that picture? If yes, what did it look like.
And I've heard that the musicians at the reception wore all-gray dress uniforms.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by koy'peled Oy'tio:
quote:Originally posted by Topher: koy'peled Oy'tio: You live in Tracy?! That's like 30 minutes from me! Out in the middle of nowhere *L* Where'd you go to see it, F'ton? I went to SJ, as I just live 20 mins from there.
Well i went to see it at the Regent Empire (Empire Theatres), 30 mins eh, that would put you in russagornich? (think thats how it's spelt) If not where then?
Well, guys, I'm not that far away either. I live in Moncton!
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
To answers some questions: 1. We do see a picture of Picard as a cadet. It is actually of Tom Hardy and his bald head. He is wearing the TOS-movie style cadet uniform. 2. USS Aries is still there on the shiplist and is still misspelled. 3. USS Archer is on the shiplist and most likely is named after Jonathan Archer. 4. I don't recall seeing a model of the NX-01, but given they added Archer to the shiplist, it's very possible they also added a model to the display. 5. As I recall, the musicians did wear dress uniforms, but pretty much all the Starfleet people there did as well.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Nope, the musicians has diffrent uniforms. Grey with silver trim.
Posted by StarFire (Member # 748) on :
quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: Originally posted by StarFire:
quote: *whine* I have to wait until Wednesday to see it. Getting tickets to the afternoon showing while trying to get tickets to the night showings of LOTR:TTT. Double header that day! Whoo!
Whine because of a few days. I will have to wait another month to see the film!!
(Or 130 hours until my download is finally complete... )
Part of the wine was due to, like, 3 people online bragging how they saw the movie whilst I slaved away at Wal-Mart for 10+ hours, running only on my one 15 minute break.
My computer is an old P.O.S. and is quite finicky when it comes to downloads. Can't wait to fire it in the new year...along with Wal-Mart. hehe.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I will be seeing it on Christmas leave.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, I've been thinking about the film for awhile, and it seems to me that it barely qualifies as a Star Trek film at all. Again, it's good, and well worth watching. But the plot is simply disconnected from the universe. Even the much maligned Insurrection had a plot that spun out from events in DS9. (The Federation is in trouble!)
Here we get Romulans, but they could have been anyone, there's no internal Trek reasons for them to be acting the way they do, it doesn't flow from where they were at the end of the Dominion War, which gets namechecked in the film, but not in any meaningful way.
I suspect shortchanging the political aspects was a conscious choice designed to make the film more appealing to the general public, and it may work. But I suppose I was hoping for something that felt a bit more like Star Trek VI, a highly political film and thus one of my personal favorites.
(One could also make the more minor argument that most of the inspirational moments of the film were done before. Romulans swooping in to fight along side Starfleet? Been there. Romulans coming over to provide medical and other assistance? "Timescape." And yet I was totally swept up in each, so, as I said, this is just nitpicking.)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
A correction I have to make regarding what i had said earlier:
Picard (in the picture, being played by Tom Hardy) doesn't not wear the cadet's uniform. I had earlier confused the officer's unifrom that Saavik and young Picard from "Tapestry" wore with the noncomm's uniform. The uniform that Tom Hardy was wear as Picard was unfortunately the noncomm's uniform. I don't recall what the rank or class designation pin was, if any. But suffice to say, the pic is all wrong.
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
I saw the movie.
It was worth my 10 bucks.
That's the quality I want to see on TV shows. I guess to get good writing, editing and a good director of photography, costs millions.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by koy'peled Oy'tio: Well i went to see it at the Regent Empire (Empire Theatres), 30 mins eh, that would put you in russagornich? (think thats how it's spelt) If not where then?
Regent Empire - that's the one in the Regent Mall, correct? No, I don't live in Rusagonish. I'm about 20 mins from SJ, maybe farther from you. It takes me about 30 minutes to get to Hoyt. I live in Nerepis, which is a little place outside of Saint John.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Another ship on the list I swore I saw was the USS Archer. I'm gonna have to see it again.
I'm sure Matt is happy since I recall him having a ship design called the Titan.
Overall I liked it. Although B-4 is stupid, I think if they're gonna kill off Data it shouldn't be cheated by having B-4 with all of Data's memories.
I also can't understand why Brent feels the need for Data to die. I know he says he's getting too old to play an android, but if this is the last film what difference would it make?
Also seeing Wes in a Starfleet uniform was odd, especially since he appeared to have LTJG pips. I recall him leaving the Academy to be with the Traveller. I guess he must have gotten bored and went back to become a Starfleet officer.
And finally... Picard had hair in his Academy days. "Tapestry" clearly shows that.
[ December 14, 2002, 18:36: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Maybe he's congenitally bald, and he just wore a rug for a while?
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: I'm sure Matt is happy since I recall him having a ship design called the Titan.
!!!!!!!
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: A correction I have to make regarding what i had said earlier:
Picard (in the picture, being played by Tom Hardy) doesn't not wear the cadet's uniform. I had earlier confused the officer's unifrom that Saavik and young Picard from "Tapestry" wore with the noncomm's uniform. The uniform that Tom Hardy was wear as Picard was unfortunately the noncomm's uniform. I don't recall what the rank or class designation pin was, if any. But suffice to say, the pic is all wrong.
Erm, a correction to your correction, which is that I don't believe there's been any airtight indication whether cadets wear an officer or noncom uniform. In fact, if I remember my TWoK correctly, I'd go with the noncom being more likely. Of course, TWoK was rather weird in the whole Lieutenant Saavik as a starfleet cadet thing.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
A kind soul bought my way to the movie; I really enjoyed it. I don't have any complaints other than to Fox for keeping Jeri Ryan away from Nemesis. When Picard tells Shinzon their heart, hands, eyes and blood are the same...technically, their hearts aren't.
Good movie. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Some people are telling me that like the last one, this movie felt like a big episode. I disagree... If anything, this film felt like taking all the plot points in a story arc over a season, and squishing 'em all together as a movie. It's got a BIGGER sense than a big episode, with farther reaching implications. As such, it's got a slightly more epic feeling than usual, however with a slight disjointing of the whole thing. Still, I like.
Mark
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
It's "Batman and Robin".
Boris
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The weekend numbers are in. Nemesis is #2 behind "Maid In Manhatten". It grossed $18,750,000. "Maid In Manhatten" beat it out with $19,000,000. Paramount says they wanted $20mil.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Keep in mind the weekend is not yet over and the final numbers won't be in until tomorrow. Perhaps today more people are seeing Nemesis than Maid in Manhattan. It could end up with Nemesis at number 1.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
It still is "Batman and Robin".
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
What the bloody hell are you talking about?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by The359: What the bloody hell are you talking about?
That's as gross a comparison as I'll ever see, I think.
Anyway, I think Nemesis was pretty good. The Wrath of Khan is still my favorite, but I doubt anything will beat it in my mind.
I think the political aspects of this film are comparable to The Undiscovered Country. You have a catastropic event (the Praxis explosion/Dominion War) that wreaks havoc on the Empire, and the current government decides that peace may be the best option. Before peace negotiations can begin, the current government (Chancellor Gorkon/Romulan Senate) is assassinated by militaristic warmongers (General Chang/Shinzon and Romulan commanders). In Nemesis they also laid out a dirty secret of the relationship between the Romulans and the Remans. However, I think that exploration could have used a bit more development.
A lot more detail should have been given to how Shinzon came about. The only time the Romulans could have gotten his DNA samples would have been "Data's Day" (assuming the ambassador swiped a hair folicle) or "Unification." So far, we're left with a big ol' monkey wrench in figuring out when all of this supposedly happened. We should have also gotten a better idea of where B4 came from. Was he really a Soong prototype (which brings up questions of how the Romulans got him (did Soong sell him? did someone steal him and give him to the Romulans? did the Romulans raid a secret stash on Omicron Theta?)) or did the Romulans attempt to build a Soong-type android based on scans taken of Data in "Unification" (come on, you know they had to have scanned him).
I think the action in the movie was nicely done. The Argo sequence started out a little campy, but I think it became a bit more serious as they started finding B4's parts (throwing B4's head in the glove compartment being an exception). The battle sequence between the Enterprise and the Scimitar as well as the Romulan Warbirds/Enterprise against the Scimitar were nicely done. I think the pacing and cutaways to other scenes was great. It was nice to finally see how capable a Sovereign-class starship is during battle. I really don't think these action sequences were "overblown."
I enjoyed the music; I think Goldsmith did an excellent job making it dark as well as incorporating parts of The Motion Picture's Enterprise theme. I liked the Reman makeup, but I wasn't too pleased by the Reman uniforms. They looked rather uncomfortable (especially on Shinzon). I think the acting was good, and the writing (for the most part) was good. I liked seeing the references in the movie; I think they were incorporated well-enough to not still out.
Some of the inconsistencies really bug me, though. How could a positronic signal be detected by the Enterprise so far away? How come Picard is bald in his academy picture? Why the hell is there a Deck 29 and a deep tube to nowhere that does nothing? How could the Scimitar have simply backed up and unhooked itself from the Enterprise? And how could a transporter be squeezed down into something the size of a MicroMachine unless it were dependent on the Enterprise's transporter system (which was down at that point)?
Other than all that, I liked the film. I'm probably going to go see it again sometime soon.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I just saw the movie with some friends yesterday. I gotta say the Scimitar is the only starship in any sci-fi universe that i've seen, that has EVER scared me. I want one!
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Actually, that just reminded me of another point about the film that I didn't like. I don't know if it was just the theater that I was in, but the space scenes were dark (and not get smart with me on that ).
It was near impossible to make out details on the the Scimitar and the two Romulans warbirds. I felt like they didn't really do enough shots to give me an image of what the ships looked like overall. That was kinda disappointed; they just seemed to blend in with the background way too well. And my complaint about the darkness also goes to the scene when the Scimitar frees herself from the Enterprise. You had some close-ups of the damage, but it was too dark for me to make out much of anything.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
Ok, I'll be more specific:
I liked Jerry Goldsmith's music, but only the usual TMP music. Digital Domain did animate the Enterprise quite nicely, although it didn't quite feel real -- partly due to the excessively curvy ship design (think how the Batmobile and Batcostumes changed over the course of the movies), partly due to the excessive use of CGI. The drawback of CGI is that it allows an incompetent producer to make the visuals cool and cartoonish -- in fact, that's much easier than making them realistic. That's how we get the Star Wars disc-style explosions or the swirly green lights wherever you look. Remember how the first "Batman" was basically black with a few colors strewn here and there, while "Batman and Robin" became excessively stylish and colorful? It happened because Schumacher wanted to bring Batman from a real-world kind of setting (wasn't totally real-world, but very much so) into a comic book world. Nemesis wants to do the same with Star Trek. Things just happen for no reason, and I'll expand on this later.
I liked some of the scenes between Picard and Shinzon, especially the part where he goes into his history. Those kinds of flashbacks are fairly new to Star Trek, and they seemed to have used a different style of cinematography for that and the desert scenes (which have an odd monochrome feel). Shinzon is portrayed as an utterly fantastical individual, completely larger than life. He can telepathically rape Troi, and all Picard says is "can you withstand more of these violations?" He can have somebody walk into the Romulan Senate and kill everyone with an unknown device. He can -- we're not sure how -- go from a slave to an individual with a huge warship. I want to know how he did it, but that's left to the imagination, or maybe a few lines I can't remember. First, we never hear of the Remans. And then they come out and do all of this?
The few risks that were, including the gory details of senate killing and raping, felt like comic-book style transformations (remember Poison Ivy pumping the guy with chemicals and him expanding, the Super Shredder in Ninja Turtles?)and horror that are completely out of spirit for Star Trek, as opposed to genuine risks that expanded on the concept. A good example of the latter is First Contact, with Lily and Cochrane as outsiders questioning the basic premises of Starfleet -- "humans have evolved" and all that. That's expanding on the concept -- the former is just violence for the sake of showing that Shinzon can break every rule and go unquestioned -- i.e., he's some kind of a supervillian.
It seems the movie was primarily concerned with introducing new items without bothering with the how's and why's. The Remans just rose up. Worf just came back. Wesley just was there. Starfleet just built a dune buggy (ok, it seemed clear that this could've been Picard's own Delta Flyer type of hobby vehicle). Data just doesn't have emotions. Rather than making this into a TNG movie, the idea seems to be "just do it for the sake of fun and coolness, and leave the explaining to the bothersome group of viewers familiar with the TNG concept".
A few other concerns:
1) The opening. What's with the morphing logo and the inverted R? Why not the usual simple lettering? It reminds me of how we went from "B A T M A N" to the Bird & Bat logo in "Batman and Robin." It just takes the seriousness out of the movie.
2) The bland-humor injokes. If you don't have a sense of humor, stop trying. I laughed at Data's Blue Skies until they CUT IT AFTER A FEW SECONDS! Let's see, what's the other part I laughed at...something that wasn't meant to be funny...ah well.
Boris
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It's almost as if the letters, were, like, mirrored or something. I cannot imagine what significance this could have!
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
Aaah, now I get it. Thanks, but to me it's just scary, overused symbolism that intrudes into the reality of the movie. Ooh, the bird surrounds the bat in the new logo!
Romulans/Remans. Dark side/Light side. Shinzon/Picard. Data/B4. It reminds me of American Pie and sex symbols pointlessly strewn all over the place, except that it's neither funny nor very believable. You can't use symbolism to the point where it stretches believability.
And isn't Nemesis really the abandoned Insurrection script based on Heart of Darkness? Actually, this may be an appropriate way to describe the movie. Nemesis is the mirror image of Insurrection. Opposite but equal!
Boris
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
It could be for all I know. Paramount could have brought Logan to flesh it out into Nemesis.
Posted by Nimrod Pimding (Member # 205) on :
I can't believe it, I've checked both my two major swedish cinema companies, none of them have Nemesis either as playing movie or upcoming. Is Paramount boycotting us??
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
quote: Originally posted by Boris:
That's how we get the Star Wars disc-style explosions
Huh? The first one of those I remember seeing was when Praxis blew. I don't remember that sort of effect in the Star Wars movies until the special edition releases in 97.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
It's not the same thing. Ships in Star Trek usually explode without much fuss, so why the change now?
Boris
Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boris: The Remans just rose up. Worf just came back. Wesley just was there. Starfleet just built a dune buggy (ok, it seemed clear that this could've been Picard's own Delta Flyer type of hobby vehicle).
Fair enough with the first three, but saying, "Starfleet just built a dune buggy" is rather like watching TOS, seeing "The Galileo Seven", and then complaining, "Starfleet just built a shuttlecraft!" Surely you understand that writers have to have the freedom to introduce new pieces of, say, technology from time to time? And that, just maybe, they might be particularly useful in the story in which they are introduced?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boris: It's not the same thing. Ships in Star Trek usually explode without much fuss, so why the change now?
Boris
Because its more realistic that they dont explode completely?
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
I'm talking about the disc-shaped explosions.
As for the buggy, it was not useful to the story.
Geordi implies that if the transporters had worked, he could've beamed them to all of the spots directly (or simply beamed up the parts). They should've used a low-flying shuttle, perhaps with an open floor hatch, to pick up the parts -- it would've been a lot safer. What possible reason could you have for landing the shuttle and driving around, other than irresponsible fun? Again, they didn't explain why, and it is implied that the post-Insurrection Picard has become a complete, total slacker. Did we ever learn how nobody predicted the attackers? No, they just were there. Let's move on.
Boris
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Regarding the Dune Buggy sequence...did they discuss the planet's civilization at all? Or did they just violate the Prime Directive by dropping in and playing Mad Max with the locals?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
This is, unfortunately, the worst TNG movie yet. It's too bad, too, because the script was pretty good. The main story of Shinzon and the Remans is good too. But the execution was, overall, poor.
I am tired of these disappointments. I started out liking Enterprise a lot, but nowadays it's a shot in the dark as to whether the week's episode will be good, decent, tolerable, or terrible. God, I hate what's been done to the franchise in the last 5 years...
Okay, enough with the griping.
-MMoM Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
My major gripe is HOW COULD THE AUTODESTRUCT SYSTEM FAIL!?
Geeeze! Just go down to the antimatter pods and pull the plug/trip the breakers/shoot them with a phaser. Then you get one huge mutterflogging fireball.
Overall, I liked it. Rather enjoyable way to sneek out of the office during preformance reviews.
Thats the one thing I hate about being the boss... preformance reviews.... Eeeaarrgh.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nimrod Pimding: I can't believe it, I've checked both my two major swedish cinema companies, none of them have Nemesis either as playing movie or upcoming. Is Paramount boycotting us??
The UK doesn't even get Nemesis until mid-January, so I expect a Swedish release wont be until at least March at best. You unfortunately have to wait.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I find this odd. Why is Australia's premiere January 16th, yet New Zealand doesn't get it until April 10th? Why can't they ship the sucker across to the islands?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
The first disc-shaped explosion I remember is when Nostromo blew up in Alien. The explosions in the first 3 Star Wars movies were all physical explosions filled in parking lots and effects stages.
PS: Nemesis is not coming to Japan until fucking April 12!
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Really? Damn that's a long time to wait for a movie. In 2004 I'm moving to Japan for 2 or 3 years.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Minority Report just opened last week. The Two Towers also won't come out until spring.
Posted by LOA (Member # 49) on :
I'm watching Minority Report right now.... third time this weekend
It's a great movie....
Anyway, back to Trek
~LOA
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I think it was the darkness of space that really made the Scimitar freaky. Also the space battle wasn't near any stars (at least from what i could gather) I got a fairly good look at the Warbirds, and i actually mistook them for BOP's at first. I think the space battle shots would have been way cooler if the Scimitar wasn't firing through it's cloak. All you saw were some ripples when something hit. Meh, well I'm going to se Two Towers next week, so i'll probably forget all about Nemesis by then. Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
As I said earlier... why are there WHEELS on the damn dune buggy? Doesn't the future use antigravs to move street vehicles on Earth?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Frankly, wheels make more sense. They're a proven technology. Surely it must take more power to counter gravity than it does to push a dune buggy around. So why not use wheels when the terrain and situation allows?
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I'm sure by the late 24th Century, antigrav technology would be as good as wheels.
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
Its good to be surrounded by people who enjoyed the movie as much as I did. What Sol said about the "just becauses" I totally agree with, but I enjoyed the movie nontheless.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Saw it tonight. Thought it was pretty good. Ok, there are like fifty-seven different Nemesis threads up in here, and I've poked around to see if anyone has brought this up and I didn't see it anywhere. So if someone has and they are really sick of it, if they could just politely point me to the appropriate thread, I'd sure appreciate it.
Lore. My question is about Lore. You know, Data's Evil twin from before B4. Why didn't anyone say anything at all about Lore? So like there's Lore and there's B4 and Data? Isn't that kind of jumping the shark on the whole positronic android prototype thing? I kept thinking about that through the whole movie and it really distracted me.
Also the genetic 'science' was pretty, erm, awful. But I think there was a good movie in there somewhere. Some of the action was very awsome and the VFX sure were pretty. The Riker on Troi action I could have done without, B4 acting like a moron I could have done without, Picard acting like Snay at the deerfarm/Bo Duke age-50 I could have done without, but overall I think I liked it. The main story was interesting and engaging if a bit implausible, the toys were very cool, and I liked the performances. Anyway, could really do with some feedback on the whole Lore thing...
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I enjoyed the film minus a few nitpicks here and there. Though now I can see what some people are talking about when it has no much of a Trek soul.
PS: Hobbes on Feb. 21st, I will be going to Japan for my next duty station.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
To a ship or shore duty Matrix?
As for the B-4 deal, when I first saw clips I thought it was Lore which would tie in with the title Nemesis. However, the only thing that works for B-4 is the TNG episode "Inheritance" in which Data's 'mom', Julianna Soong, tells him that there were prototype androids constructed before Data and Lore. Even though it's a stretch, it is still possible B-4 was one of the androids mentioned by Julianna Soong.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yeah. I thought that it was pretty clear that Data & Lore were identical production versions of the Soong android concept, and that B4 was the previous prototypical iteration, superficially similar but internally different.
Of course, I don't see why they couldn't just have used Lore, or---even better---why the plot needed to have a Data lookalike at all. Surely there could have been another way for Shinzon to bait Picard and Data without playing that old card. Of course, it did give them an excuse to A) have a "kewl" car chase on a planet, and B) leave the door semi-open for Data's "return" someday.
-MMoM Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I finally saw it yesterday...
What seemed totally pointless to me was the dune buggy chase. There was zero reason for the aliens to show up after they find B-4 other than to have a cool chase scene. The aliens obviously weren't sent by Shinzon as he *wanted* them to take B-4 back to the ship and he needed Picard alive.
I will see it again and try to make sense of the disappointment...
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, I finally saw the movie last weekend with my dad while I was on vacation in Florida. We both liked the film, but of course I'd be remiss if I didn't point out some nitpicks (major spoilers ahead). $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ I was going to talk about the pointlessness of the whole Kolarus dune buggy & chase scene, but Aban beat me to it. And as far as the whole B4 thing is concerned, I didn't have a problem with B4's existance as much as I had a problem with the whole, "since he looks exactly like Data, we can kill Data off yet still have Data alive at the end of the movie." Sorry, John Logan, but when Data died in the Scimitar explosion, AFAIAC, he died for good. No moronic, off-key singing android duplicate is going to replace him.
Shinzon, the Remans, & the Romulans: Shinzon considers himself a Reman, right? Shinzon hates the Romulans, right? Yet his whole reason for releasing the thalaron radiation on Earth is so that the Romulans can invade the Federation. Never mind that the Federation will hardly be crippled by Earth's destruction, his plan doesn't fundamentally make sense. It might have been different if Shinzon told the Romulans he was going to do this for them, but then used his weapon on Romulus instead. But he did want to destroy Earth. Why? Because it's Picard's home planet? What does Shinzon have against the Federation? And how will any of this help the Remans? If the Romulans conquered the Federation, wouldn't that make the Remans even more of an underling race to them? If Shinzon hated the Romulans as much as was evident in the movie, then he should have subjugated them with his weapon, declared himself and the Remans as the new rulers of Romulus, and then make real peace with the Federation so that at the least, he could contact Picard & ask him for help in stopping the genetic resequencing causing his dying. But instead, he acted like an idiot, got himself killed, and did absolutely nothing for the Remans.
Plus, I had no credible sympathy for the Remans as a slave race whatsoever. It was also annoying that it was never made clear if the Remans were of Vulcan descent or an actual race native to Remus.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, Shinzon's motivations were more or less clear, I thought, if not wildly convincing. He was going to destroy what he believed fate had taken away from him; namely, a happy life growing up on Earth.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
What bugged me about the B-4 part was that Shinzon of some of his peeps were able to *find* B-4 in the first place. I can't believe these prototypes are just scattered throughout the galaxy. How the hell did he find him? I don't recall that being explained, only that it took effort to find him and modify him. Just how many places did Soong hide out to build these things? He must have done alot of packing.
Also, isn't it a coinkydink that, as unlikely as it is that he could've happened across this andriod, the android's twin brother is Picard's 2nd officer and Picard is the one that Schinzon is after.
It was just all to device-driven with no explanation. It felt awkward.
Also, I was thinking about this this morning and it seems to me that the movie was very much trying to be Wrath of Khan... essentially one long face off between the two ships... But the pacing was wrong... it didn't have the constant tension the WoK did...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Having read through all the back pages, I must say I totally agree with the "just because" feel of the movie, and that they really didn't concern themselves with the larger Trek Universe. This was a Trek movie made for mid-grade Trek fans. People who know just enough about the franchise as a whole to not pick up on the inconsistancies.
Picard's academy picture was a perfect example of this. They had a choice: give him hair and allow the real fans to have a tie in to his established Academy look, or make him bald so that there is no confusion as to who is being shown in the picture. They copped out.
They had a choice: Give us some information on Worf after the events of DS9's finale, or don't waste time with stuff that everyone in the theater won't understand. They copped out. Worf is a major character in the series... does he not deserve some attention? Noone but Picard and Data got anything out of this film.
It was a so-so movie... I'm just having trouble getting over the letdowns.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: What bugged me about the B-4 part was that Shinzon of some of his peeps were able to *find* B-4 in the first place. I can't believe these prototypes are just scattered throughout the galaxy. How the hell did he find him? I don't recall that being explained, only that it took effort to find him and modify him. Just how many places did Soong hide out to build these things? He must have done alot of packing.
Also, isn't it a coinkydink that, as unlikely as it is that he could've happened across this andriod, the android's twin brother is Picard's 2nd officer and Picard is the one that Schinzon is after.
It was just all to device-driven with no explanation. It felt awkward.
Also, I was thinking about this this morning and it seems to me that the movie was very much trying to be Wrath of Khan... essentially one long face off between the two ships... But the pacing was wrong... it didn't have the constant tension the WoK did...
B4 was a trap set by Shinzon and was likely built from stolen plans (remember the "vulcan" spy from Data's Day?). It would explain why the memory port was there and why it could not handle Data's memories (at least not all in one shot). There is TONS of stuff we'll never know about Shinzon, like how he rose from lowly slave to Commander of a Romulan taskforce in the Dominion War.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
And in fairness with regard to the "just because" feeling, there were several things that apparently got cut, based on the script... The feeling of the movie results mostly from piss-poor editing, of course, but it indicates that the original plan was to explain things a bit more. Strange, because I thought Suart Baird was a "renowned" editor before trying the director thing.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I hate to say it, but I'm of the opinion that the "even numbered movies don't suck" streak has been broken... this movie was reasonably entertaining on its own, but it was a horrible "Star Trek" movie.
First off, there were all of the "just because" elements that Sol pointed out. So many different plot points cropped up at various junctures simply because they served the plot. Despite the grandiose claims that John Logan made concerning the TNG characters, the usual suspects were still glassed over in favor of the major characters -- Picard and Data got the focus, Riker had a crucial role but no focus, Troi got a few good scenes... and there was almost no focus on Geordi, Crusher, or Worf.
It's a damn shame that TNG had to go out with an over-dramatized whimper rather than a bang.
Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: They had a choice: Give us some information on Worf after the events of DS9's finale, or don't waste time with stuff that everyone in the theater won't understand. They copped out.
Actually, I blame DS9 for this particular foible. Sure having Worf become the ambassador to the Klingon Empire made perfect sense, but we also knew that it meant a) a cheesy cop out explanation for why he was on the Enterprise in ST:X or b) no explanation at all (which proved to be true). I say now as I said at the close of the show, they should've just sent him back to the Enterprise.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Screw that. If he was there for the wedding/reception, all they had to say was that they were taking him to meet with a Klingon ship en-route to Risa. (Why the Federation Flagship can be spared to taxi newleyweds is another question in itself)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, many of us who have read the early draft of the script know the reason Worf is on the Enterprise. Logan did provide an explanation, it's just that do to poor editing on the part of Baird as Ryan had said, the explanation was taken out. I'm pretty sure that once the DVD comes out with the deleted scenes, you'll get the explanation in spoken dialog.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Just saw it this evening, first day of release in the UK. Yay! Missed the first five minutes due to there never being anywhere to park at Greenwich fucking Filmworks. Boo!
Overall I really enjoyed it. It was nowhere near as bad as I was expecting. Bad luck that my wife, who's never been to see a Trek film before, absolutely can't stand Janeway so was miffed to see her appear in a cameo. But I spotted Brian Singer's walk-on so felt quite chuffed.
I share the general deeling of dubousness over the dune-buggy chase, it felt a bit weird. Kate thought it was cool though, especially the jump into the shuttle's cargo bay. 8)
Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: chuffed
Is that bad or good?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Brian Singer the Director? Where was he? Redshirt?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
a post on the bridge.. im sure i have a still of it somewhere.. his lines were cut though, but he is still visible i believe.
blueshirt, IIRC
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
He takes over the Tac station as Worf and Riker goes below decks to battle it out with the Remans that boarded.
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