I was wondering if there are any deck plans of Star Trek starships on the net. I know there are quite a few pages that display deck plans, but maybe some of you know about other plans?
For the record, I know about these plans: Constitution deck plans at Original Trek, Oberth deck plans at Star Trek Universe, Modified Constitution and Constitution refit (and couple of others) at JohnB Shipyards, Miranda/Avenger deck plans by Federation Frontiers, Defiant deck plans at Maximum Defiant, and finally Galaxy deck plans, which doesn't appear to be online anymore.
Anything I missed?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Let's use this thread for something else (you might want to move this to the Tech forum).
This was the first time I saw the Franz Joseph Constitution deck plans (thanks, Kazeite!).
It certainly is a bit strange, IMO.
The Bridge - I know that extra door next to the viewscreen was in TAS, but did we ever see that section of the bridge in TOS? If so, there probably wasn't a door there, right?
Deck 2-3 - It's a bit of an awkward position for labs (you'd imagine that bulge was there for some reason, and the labs could be anywhere on the ship).
Deck 4 - I never thought about water tanks, actually. But you would need have a lot of water for 400+ people... Does the TNGTM mention anything water?
The rest of the saucer section is okay, except for the placement of engineering and the machinery there. But what's up with all those "Personal Isolation Cells" placed in every unused corner?
Deck 8 - Gardens? I bet that space could be used for something a bit more useful. - I like that computer design. Rows and rows of noisy supercomputers as they were imagined in the 60s.
There are of course more oddities because we now know so much more about how starships work. Like the lower sensor dome on the saucer and the lack of any recognizable engineering parts in the engineering hull.
Oh, and the pool on Deck 20. Was a pool ever mentioned? I do remember vaguely that they mentioned the bowling alley in some early episode. Oh, and wasn't there a very primitive holodeck-like room in TAS somewhere?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
This is at least one shot that shows the side to the left of Spock - no door.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Well, that plans are supposed to represent Achernar subclass, while the series Enterprise is supposedly Bonhomme Richard subclass. Achernar simply does have that door and WC incorporated into deck 1, while BR doesn't.
I agree that there are certain oddities, like lack of any visible deflector structures, except dish. Hovewer, this is fascinating piece of trek history and I'm glad that I at last could see them Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Disregarding the silly fandom "Achernar" and "Bonhomme Richard" subclass ideas, Kazeite is quite correct in pointing out that the plans represent the U.S.S. Constitution, the prototype of the class, and it is very reasonable to assume any discrepancies with other individual ships (such as the Enterprise) are simply that---individual variances in the design of individual ships.
-MMoM Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Disregarding the silly fandom "Achernar" and "Bonhomme Richard" subclass ideas
In fandom, they're separate classes. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Whatever. In fandom, a ship changes classes as it gets upgraded or modified. Which is utter fecking bull's excrement.
Sorry. I'm feeling caustic tonight.
-MMoM Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Whatever. In fandom, a ship changes classes as it gets upgraded or modified. Which is utter fecking bull's excrement.
Why? It's just a label? There's nothing magical or special about the words 'Constitution class', they're just words that are used to label a particular design of starship, if starfleet wants to change the label, or to apply different labels to different variations of the design then they can and should.
"The mission to Planet Zee requires a ship of at least Constitution class capabilities."
"Admiral, the USS Whatsit has been lost at Planet Zee. She just wasn't up to the job."
"Why was the Whatsite assigned to that mission?"
"She was Constitution class, just like you requested."
It doesn't really matter if Starfleet uses the any of the terms - Bonhomme Richard class; Constitution class, Bonhomme Richard sub-class; Constution class, variant Bonhome Richard 15982g-45; Constitution class, batch 14; etc, etc.
We can argue about the "evidence" from ST II and ST VI for ages but it's really not worth giving it a moment's extra thought.
So long as everyone knows what is meant when someone says Tikopai class or Archernar sub-class, or Constitution class (WNMHGB variant).
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
But still, even if it is the USS Constitution, the interior still doesn't make a lot of sense, considering what we know today about Star Trek's starships.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Yep, it suffers, for example, from the Tiny Engine Syndrome, just like Millenium Falcon official deck plan. TES basically means that engines of the given craft are incredibly compact, taking only small amount of internal space. Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Sorry. I'm feeling caustic tonight.
Oh, so you're a very strong base now, are you? Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Did they ever have a deck configuration set up for the Enterprise during TOS? They seemed, often eager, to say 'such and such' is located on 'deck X' and I am sure there has been considerable conflict at times regarding what is where, but does anyone know for fact if there was a method to their madness??
BTW, the bowling alley was mention in 'The Naked Time', as there was to be a formal dance there at 1900 hours, according to the intoxicated Riley. One would wonder how that works in space, as turbulence or a photon torpedo could really screw up a perfect game. Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Hmm. Moderators of a certain forum *cannot* go pillage the fori of others. High time to find out. Oh, well. Eric, could you do the honors? The S&T forum could use this thread...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Did they ever have a deck configuration set up for the Enterprise during TOS? They seemed, often eager, to say 'such and such' is located on 'deck X' and I am sure there has been considerable conflict at times regarding what is where, but does anyone know for fact if there was a method to their madness??
BTW, the bowling alley was mention in 'The Naked Time', as there was to be a formal dance there at 1900 hours, according to the intoxicated Riley. One would wonder how that works in space, as turbulence or a photon torpedo could really screw up a perfect game.
The answers are: 1. No. 2. The ever-reliable Structural Integrity FieldsTM.
-MMoM Posted by Darkwing (Member # 834) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Disregarding the silly fandom "Achernar" and "Bonhomme Richard" subclass ideas, Kazeite is quite correct in pointing out that the plans represent the U.S.S. Constitution, the prototype of the class, and it is very reasonable to assume any discrepancies with other individual ships (such as the Enterprise) are simply that---individual variances in the design of individual ships.
-MMoM
Actually, I like the subclass idea. So long as it's made clear that they're all still Constitution class, the subclass idea makes sense. It's easier to remember and discuss than the real-life version. For example, Arleigh Burke class DDGs are known as Flight I, Flight II, and Flight IIAlfa to show the various versions built. Constitution, BHR, Achernar, etc are easier to remember and make a more complete mental picture.
Posted by Darkwing (Member # 834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Let's use this thread for something else (you might want to move this to the Tech forum).
Deck 4 - I never thought about water tanks, actually. But you would need have a lot of water for 400+ people... Does the TNGTM mention anything water?
But what's up with all those "Personal Isolation Cells" placed in every unused corner?
Deck 8 - Gardens? I bet that space could be used for something a bit more useful.
Oh, and wasn't there a very primitive holodeck-like room in TAS somewhere?
Gardens would be an absolute necessity in a starship, simply to provide a sanity-helping touch of green.
Personal isolation cells would be one way to give folks some privacy, although the Enterprise does provide far more personal space than any real world military ship.
Yes, TAS had a holo rec room. It wasn't supposed to be solid, but temperature controls allowed a snowstorm in one ep. In one of the Foster adaptations, IIRC, I think mention was made of a fencing robot draped in a hologram of a fencer for Sulu to spar with.
Water tankage makes sense to me, but I think the TNGTM simply assumes the replicators take care of that.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Another oddity I found on both the general plans and the TM. There's no science station on the bridge . It's called the Command Intelligence station or somesuch militaristic nonsense.
Oh and "Personal Isolation Room" sounded like a brig to me... or else something I'd rather not think about.
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. It's called the Command Intelligence station or somesuch militaristic nonsense.