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Originally posted by Austin Powers:
Definitely fitting, considering the "quality" of the series itself. Honestly, who wants to hear tedious background-info about Voyager. How Ethan Phillips enjoyed pretending he cood cook (or act), how everybody stared at Jeri Ryan's tits, how Robert Beltrane mourns about never getting any good scripts etc. ... Yawn.

Can't we all just be glad that the terrible mistake that was Voyager has finally found the way into its grave?

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I liked Voyager.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 


I guess they didn't dare to be honest about the fact that this series didn't work, didn't have a purpose and wasn't very good. I've already ordered the companion, though.

I'm seriously doubting if I should even buy Voyager DVD sets if they are ever released.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
On second thought... I've just canceled my order. I don't want to spend �25 on an episode list.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
Bravo!
 

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
I liked Voyager.

BURN HIM!!


 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
Mwa?!

Admit it! Voyager was a lie!!
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 

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Originally posted by Omega:
I liked Voyager.

BURN HIM!!

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I realise that there were things it could have done that it didn't (conflicts between the Maquis and Starfleet crews, for example), and that some of the episodes (holodeck ones mostly) were absolutely dire, but on the whole I thought it was enjoyable, and it was nice to see a ship on its own without constant "go here, do this" Admirals and no support, in places where the Federation was unknown.

Also, some of the episodes ("Message in a Bottle" and most of the Hirogen ones, for instance) I thought were excellent.

And yes, I did like "Endgame".
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Sure there were some good episodes (heck, even ENT has some good episodes ), but overall... I don't know. It could have been A LOT better. More Maquis/Starfleet conflict, and seeing effects of being seperated from home by 70,000 frikkin lightyears.

Add to that the fact that after Voyager returned home, no-one will ever visit the DQ again in the foreseeable future, and so it was all a bit irrelevant.
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 

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Originally posted by Harry:
Sure there were some good episodes (heck, even ENT has some good episodes ), but overall... I don't know. It could have been A LOT better. More Maquis/Starfleet conflict, and seeing effects of being seperated from home by 70,000 frikkin lightyears.

Add to that the fact that after Voyager returned home, no-one will ever visit the DQ again in the foreseeable future, and so it was all a bit irrelevant.

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Yes, but then every series has had undeveloped potential. There are awful episodes in all the series but that doesn't mean the series as a whole aren't enjoyable.

I also think that Maquis/Starfleet conflicts probably would have gotten boring pretty quickly, and certainly couldn't have lasted all 7 years.

By the way, I also enjoy Enterprise, as I can just watch it mumbling "alternate timeline, alternate timeline" whenever something dodgy happens.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
The percentage of Voyager episodes that I liked/disliked was the complete reciprocal of the episodes of DS9 that I liked/disliked.

Those episodes/stories Phoenix mentioned, such as the Hirogen stuff, I liked; the fact that, too, the Hirogen got so far ahead of the Voyager (and had time to have a well established training station) by the time of "Flesh and Blood" was a reason why I didn't like the series. As much as I wanted to try to like it, it just had no definitive direction to it.

"Endgame" could have been a lot better, if it didn't piss so many of the Starfleet morals out the perverbial window. Janeway travels back in time, rewrites the timeline, equipped Voyager with a type of armor and other technologies that would have made Gene roll in his grave (if one existed) and for it, GOT promoted! Starfleet didn't send her back in time, she was on a USS Phoenix/Captain Maxwell-type vendetta because life wasn't going her way, true no one within that timeline will know, but the temporal prime directive seems to have something otherwise to say about that. Everything that that episode accomplished seemed to go against everything the Trek philosophy had established up to that point. It was for this, and the many many other points throughout, that the illogic of the series itself was what really fucked it up...

 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 
I liked the fact that Voyager got home because of Janeway, demonstrating that her determination to get her crew home really was that, and not just something to get Chakotay off her back.

I certainly preferred it to what they could have done - "oh look there's a random wormhole that drops us in Sector 001, how convenient" or "Starfleet sent us a ship to get home, and this time it's for real".

And it would appear from Nemesis that the uber-tech has been hushed up by Temporal Investigations (although they do seem to have perfected the tech from Enterprise which allows many decks inside a single shuttle and stuck it in the Enterprise E).

EDIT: Having read this, I would like to revoke all support I showed for Enterprise in my previous post.
 

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
My opinion about Voyager is that the bad episode/good episode ratio is far worse than that of TNG/DS9 and even TOS.

When I think about it, I can count the episodes I really like in VOY with two hands. On the other series it's just the other way round.
Most episodes of VOY were just annoying or boring. So much of what we had seen already, and considering that this series was supposed to be really different, what with the "being lost" premise and all.

Come on, read Star Trek Series ? over in the Creativity Section and you will find far more enjoyment than with all of the 7 seasons of VOY.
 

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
Those episodes/stories Phoenix mentioned, such as the Hirogen stuff, I liked; the fact that, too, the Hirogen got so far ahead of the Voyager (and had time to have a well established training station) by the time of "Flesh and Blood" was a reason why I didn't like the series. As much as I wanted to try to like it, it just had no definitive direction to it.

"Endgame" could have been a lot better, if it didn't piss so many of the Starfleet morals out the perverbial window. Janeway travels back in time, rewrites the timeline, equipped Voyager with a type of armor and other technologies that would have made Gene roll in his grave (if one existed) and for it, GOT promoted! Starfleet didn't send her back in time, she was on a USS Phoenix/Captain Maxwell-type vendetta because life wasn't going her way, true no one within that timeline will know, but the temporal prime directive seems to have something otherwise to say about that. Everything that that episode accomplished seemed to go against everything the Trek philosophy had established up to that point. It was for this, and the many many other points throughout, that the illogic of the series itself was what really fucked it up...

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