Roll out the red carpet...
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Nice new quote, Futu. Seen that new Cusack-flick?
The only part of Generations I like is the BoP-fight, only time we've seen the disruptors fired with modern FX (not counting FF). Also, green torpedoes, mmm...
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
But I already have this on DVD. What's special about this new--and expensive :/--release?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
My apologies for being anal, but surely this ought to be in General Trek, oughtn't it?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: But I already have this on DVD. What's special about this new--and expensive :/--release?
Well, we don't know yet. It might be a Director's Edition, it might not. But most likely it will have a 2nd disc with plenty of bonus features unlike its initial release. So look forward to around 3 or 4 featurettes on production, 1 or 2 on interviews, some trailers and TV spots, and hopefully plenty of deleted scenes like the original opening scene and the alternate/original ending of the Kirk's death.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
ANOTHER Trek release on DVD ... or should I say, re-release? I say, just buy the damn box sets! Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
I already have the DVD box set but on mine the directors cuts stop at ST: V with the other 5 being "normal"
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:but on mine the directors cuts stop at ST: V with the other 5 being "normal"
Um, the director's editions stop at ST2, though ST6 does have some minor changes. The rest of the discs you have should be considered special collector's editions and barebones releases (except for maybe ST10)
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The new Generations disc is billed as a "special edition," so presumably it features at least a few nods to the notion of DVD extras.
Also, not to be a defender of Our Corporate Overlords, but it seems to me that the new Trek discs have all been cheaper than their bare-bones precursors, though that may have more to do with standardization of DVD pricing in general.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And your economy going down the pan. Or would that make them more expensive?
And this may be crazy talk, but shouldn't this Star Trek related discussion go in, say, the "General Trek" forum?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You'd think so, but it's chaos in here these days anyway. I mean, hockey? Ba-zing!
But, OK.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
I find it illogical that Picard would bury Kirk under a pile of rocks, do a salute and then leave the planet, saying "BTW, I rescued long-dead Kirk from eternal damnation, then he got killed again. Where? Well I covered his sun-bloated corpse under a few stones, but the dogs will have dug him up by now... What's for supper?".
What about a full mess funeral? Speech by the Director of Starfleet Academy? Ships in orbit, blinking a lot, signalling the death of a comrade?
Picard just walked back to Riker, whined a bit about his ride being blown up, then beamed away and let the dogs have their way with Kirk? This is almost a bigger drop of the ball than "Endgame".
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
And who are they kidding? The Nexus makes eternal dreams believable and real? Kirk wouldn't be chopping wood and frying eggs like some damn farm hand, I think you and I both know what Kirk would be doing nonstop for the rest of eternity. He would be in bed, throwing his sweaty, slimy husk of a body against that of his once-wife, pausing now and again to gulp romulan ale from his flask-mounted baseball cap, saying "KIRK RULEZ" on the front. And he would wear the cap backwards, while in bed. [sick]
When Picard comes walking through the door, he would get phasered immediately, followed by a gulp of ale and on we go.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, but Kirk had just gotten there. Maybe he didn't realize he could turn the Nexus' orgy mode on yet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Easy for Kirk to come back... go back into the Nexus - i'm sure there is still 'part' of him there.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
No, that only happened to the El-Aurians because they were beamed out when they were only halfway in.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
That has always bothered me, how did they leave? If time doesn't move in the Nexus, how does one make a lucid decision to leave and be dropped off at the exact place one was picked up?
And where are their bodies? How are they fed? What happens to the spraying space feces, emanating from the Nexus? Who invented the nexus? It can't be a natural phenomenomenomenon [Tuvok Sic], it seems like a weird electro-metaphysical invention, like the beam weapon V'Ger used to suck klingons and space stations inside itself.
Maybe it was Version 1.0 of the V'Ger's peoples' space projects, with V'Ger being the Noah's Ark.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"That has always bothered me, how did they leave?"
Well, they didn't. Remember, Guinan was still there, even though she was also outside.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Sorry, but I always thought Kirk's fantasy world in the Nexus should have been him back with Edith Keeler.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: No, that only happened to the El-Aurians because they were beamed out when they were only halfway in.
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"That has always bothered me, how did they leave?"
Well, they didn't. Remember, Guinan was still there, even though she was also outside.
Contradiction? I think so!!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Um... I don't. What are you talking about?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Seems to me, they basically say the same thing.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim the Fanciful: Who invented the nexus? It can't be a natural phenomenomenomenon [Tuvok Sic], it seems like a weird electro-metaphysical invention, like the beam weapon V'Ger used to suck klingons and space stations inside itself.
Maybe it was Version 1.0 of the V'Ger's peoples' space projects, with V'Ger being the Noah's Ark.
GUINAN That ribbon isn't just some random energy phenomenon traveling through space... it's a doorway. It leads to another place... the Nexus. It doesn't exist in our Universe... and it doesn't play by the same rules either.
It's the TWILIGHT ZONE, baby!
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
So, as I've been saying for a long time, Picard never actually left and everything we've seen so far are his wildest fantasies come true. Think about it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So he's boring as fuck: my wildest fantasies would make the movie theatre, nay- the solar system itself- collapse in on itself.
You theory means that we wants Geordi to see a sunset, he secretly wants to have, then kill, a son/himself.
He wants Ryker to finally start fucking Trio and for them to marry and get off his ship.
He's threatened by data and wishes he was retarded or something so he would'nt feel so inferior.
He's always wanted to just ram the Enterprise into another ship instead of bothering with any of those silly "weapons" or "tactics".
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Did you know that Nemesis was awful?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Did you know that water is wet?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Um... I don't. What are you talking about?
First you said that only those who were ripped away against their will left "part" of themselves there, then you said Picard and Kirk didn't leave and were still there. But Picard and Kirk weren't ripped away, they left freely, so why would "parts" of them still be in the Nexus?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Ryker
I've become partially blind to your regular abuse of that wonderful thing we call "spelling", but this really is pushing it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'll watch it, Lyiam.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: But Picard and Kirk weren't ripped away, they left freely, so why would "parts" of them still be in the Nexus?
Teehee. And which parts?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...then you said Picard and Kirk didn't leave and were still there."
No I didn't. Picard and Kirk did leave. The El-Aurians didn't.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Oh. Well you said it in response to Nim, whom I think was referring to Picard and Kirk.
quote:Originally posted by Nim the Fanciful: That has always bothered me, how did they leave? If time doesn't move in the Nexus, how does one make a lucid decision to leave and be dropped off at the exact place one was picked up?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Guinan didn't say that time doesn't move in the Nexus, she said that time has no meaning. The whole thing is a fantasy anyway and seems to be removed from the space time continuum. Everyone who enters seems to arrive at about the same time and can move back and forth within their fantasy at will.
How people can choose to exit wherever thay want, I don't know, but *whenever* shouldn't be a problem if the Nexus has connection points to our reality at all the points in time that the ribbon exists.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Oh. Well you said it in response to Nim, whom I think was referring to Picard and Kirk."
Well, at the time, I thought he was talking about the El-Aurians, since his post was right after mine where I talked about them. I didn't realize then that he actually posted at the same time as I did.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Excuses, excuses...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'm sure if they REALLY wanted to bring back Kirk - then there would be some contrivence of the Nexus phenomenon - that would allow it to happen. I mean if Riker can be duplicated by a Transporter beam...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I thought the explanation in the novel was alright. The Borg brought him back, didn't they? Not that the Borg would have any interest in a Starfleet Captain who's tactical knowledge is a century out of date... but hey.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
The Borg with the help of the Romulans beamed his body up from Veridian and reanimated him to kill Picard IIRC.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"The Borg with the help of the Romulans"
"reanimated him to kill Picard"
And these novels actually SELL?
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Yes, they're some of the best selling Trek novels ever published, thus inflating Shatner's ego to even more gargantuan levels and making sure he saves the universe in every novel he sort-of writes.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The Borg make alliances with no one - Guinan said so. And Janeway was LUCKY.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: So he's boring as fuck: my wildest fantasies would make the movie theatre, nay- the solar system itself- collapse in on itself.
You theory means that we wants Geordi to see a sunset, he secretly wants to have, then kill, a son/himself.
He wants Ryker to finally start fucking Trio and for them to marry and get off his ship.
He's threatened by data and wishes he was retarded or something so he would'nt feel so inferior.
He's always wanted to just ram the Enterprise into another ship instead of bothering with any of those silly "weapons" or "tactics".
See how it all makes sense? Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Abandon Ship Jason said: "He wants Ryker to finally start fucking Trio/.../"
What, him, Deanna AND Worf? Shoreleave this must be frowned upon?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's what those extra large officer's quarters are for: the more the merrier and the crew that lays together, stays together.
Of course, that makes Uhura a total whore.
I can live with that.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I was thinking more like that about Rand...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah...she must have got tuckered out and left the ship though. What about ensign Watley though? mmmmm...Watley.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Nah, she simply disappeared to the bedroom by mid-season 1.
I hear her nickname by season 3 was "Cargo Bay".
BECAUSE SHE WAS LOOSE!!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, at leat it was not "shuttlebay". Or "Universal Translator".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Or "Matter/Energy Transporter"!
Wait, I think I've missed the point.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by TSN:
quote: Or "Matter/Energy Transporter"!
Wait, I think I've missed the point.
That's okay, it wasn't worth getting.
Marian
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Not 'a part of themselves' - more of an echo.
And Kirk may well have done thousands of green slave girls by now - but he doesn't remember anything but the 'now'.
Kind of like my spaniel.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Or my spaniard.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
In case anyone keeps obsessive nerd lists of when movies come out, the Generations special edition has been delayed due to some packaging inaccuracies. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Nah, she simply disappeared to the bedroom by mid-season 1.
I hear her nickname by season 3 was "Cargo Bay".
BECAUSE SHE WAS LOOSE!!
Who was Voyager's "Shuttle Bay" - some one had to be... to store all those shuttles! Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
They could be the explaination to the lack of a shuttlebay 01
Anyway, I saw an ad for this, I missed most of it, but I think I heard the words "Special Alternate Ending"
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I went to Best Buy and they had a sign saying it was recalled with no idea of when it will be out.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Yeah, apparently Paramount couldn't get the "rights" to the trailer and recalled all of the discs so they could re-print the packaging.
But I thought Paramount OWNED the trailers, so why couldn't they get the rights to them? I don't know. But that's what I heard.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So....anyone know if te skydiving scene is actually in the movie or is it just a (yawn) "extra".
Is the alternate ending (or alternate death scene?) less lame than Kirk's original one? I'm hoping it involves Kirk's toupee crawling off to find a new host...
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
No modifications to the movie itself. So, the original beginning is considered a deleted scene and will be a "bonus feature". Same goes for the alternate ending which was just the original way they had killed Kirk with him being shot in the back by Soren.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Fuck it then: the normal widescreen DVD version is only $13 at Borders by my house anyway.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Why would you want abandoned footage re-edited into the movie anyway?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The new release date is the 28th, incidently, according to Paramount. (Allegedly.)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Why would you want abandoned footage re-edited into the movie anyway?
If it was completed and just cut from the movie for time constraints, the movie often suffers.
My version of Hellboy (for example) has the deleted scenes added back in nad it make the movie more complete (the scenes have good character development).
On the other hand, the only scene I would add back in among Nemesis' cut scenes would have been Wesley's speach (not that it's on the DVD anyway) as the scenes with the "seatblet char nad the new XO suck like an open airlock before a black hole.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Fuck it then: the normal widescreen DVD version is only $13 at Borders by my house anyway.
Which is roughly the same price the SE is on Amazon. Though you would need to pay for shipping from Amazon. But even with a sales tax from Borders, it still might come out to be roughly the same cost as Amazon in the end.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
...or I could just turn on Sci-Fi channel NOW and see it for free.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
But you won't get any of the bonus features like those deleted scenes.
Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
it is not much of a bonus if you have to pay for it, now is it? Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Fuck it then: the normal widescreen DVD version is only $13 at Borders by my house anyway.
It's what will save you from re-buying all your movies on a new format once the high-definition revolution comes into full swing.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
On the flip side, Animorphic doesn't seem to work on my Mom's dvd player. The PS2 however adds the letterboxes and everything...
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: It's what will save you from re-buying all your movies on a new format once the high-definition revolution comes into full swing.
No its not. Animorphic or not, DVDs are 480i or 480p.
If you want your movies in true high-def, you need to buy them on HD-DVD or Blueray Disc, which store your movie in 720p or 1080i (much, much clearer then DVD. Think about the diffrence between VHS and DVD times 8)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Thank god after that we'll be at the point of diminishing returns. I'm not buying everything AGAIN.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: On the flip side, Animorphic doesn't seem to work on my Mom's dvd player. The PS2 however adds the letterboxes and everything...
Don't forget to actually set them up for whatever TV you are watching them on (widescreen or not), otherwise the picture will be all wrong.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Sam Goody's was selling Generations SE for $14.99. Apparently they didn't get the recall memo and I bought it. The back of the case says it has trailers, but of course they aren't there.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I don't understand why they can't include the trailers. They had them on all the other SE's so far. AT least on the RC2 versions. How come Paramount doesn't own the rights to its own trailers???
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The Australian "All Good Things" SE video casette - had trailers to the first 7 movies.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
As did the German one of "Best of both worlds". And that even included the trailer of FC.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Germany and Austraillia have VHS technology now?!?
Truly, WWII was fought for naught.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Are you sure you haven't confused Australia and Austria there?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Good job Hitler paid attention in his geography classes.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
GODWIN'S LAW Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Hobbes, since you have the DVD, can you check the ILM featurette and see if it reveals any new model shots, particularly any of the Oberth labelled as the U.S.S. Vailiant NCC-20000?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Are you sure you haven't confused Australia and Austria there?
You'd think so, but no.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I finished watching Generations SE. I'm kind of disappointed. Unlike the previous special edition DVDs there aren't any new scenes added into the movie. Certainly nothing noticably different. While it's been over two years since I last watched Generations on VHS, it's still the same movie.
As for the special features.
They aren't bad at all. They at least make this edition worth buying if you're into commentaries, documentaries, deleted scenes, etc.
I was kind of hoping some of the deleted scenes would be put into the movie, sadly they were not. As you'll see for yourself they're fairly incomplete. The 'Kirk Orbital Skydive' has an introduction by Rick Berman with commentary by Shatner, Doohan, and Koenig about the scene. There's nothing of the La Forge torture scene where Soran apparently stopped and restarted La Forge's heart.
The Enterprise Linage featurette has a lot about the space shuttle Enterprise and cast/crew recalling seeing the shuttle for the first time.
There's also some interesting images of the Picard Family Album.
As for your request Mim, the ILM feature has nothing on the Nebula, Miranda, and Oberth models at the end of the movie. It's all about the Enterprise-D. In many ways CGI is superior to miniature models, but I still prefer the realism in detail and lighting of actual models.
There was also a short feature on filming the Enterprise saucer section model crashing on the planet surface.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: I finished watching Generations SE. I'm kind of disappointed. I was kind of hoping some of the deleted scenes would be put into the movie, sadly they were not. There's nothing of the La Forge torture scene where Soran apparently stopped and restarted La Forge's heart.
What the fuck good is a "SE" then?!?
quote: As for your request Mim, the ILM feature has nothing on the Nebula, Miranda, and Oberth models at the end of the movie. It's all about the Enterprise-D. In many ways CGI is superior to miniature models,
Theres a special (and painful) place in the fiery bowels of perdition for you. The CGI Nebula is fucking AWFUL. It's just the Galaxy re-arranged: all the Galaxy's windows are on it for no reason....I'd bet the secondary hull is a from the Galaxt file as well.
(throws tantrum, destroys apartment)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Jason, you expect TOO much.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Basic accuracy from studio model to CGI is "too much"? Dont bitch to me when we get a stock Excelsior as Enterprise B!
...oh wait.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes:
There's nothing of the La Forge torture scene where Soran apparently stopped and restarted La Forge's heart.
There was also a short feature on filming the Enterprise saucer section model crashing on the planet surface.
You are kidding me - No Soran Torture bit!?! FFS! That is a key part of the movie - that NEVER made sense leaving out.
Generations is the MOST chopped and changed of all the Trek movies and it suffers for it. It's what happens when movie execs place too much faith in preview screenings to small audiences.
And the saucer section crash bit just sounds like they lifted it straight from the The Making of Generations video cassette, that came free with any DS9 or Voyager video cassette purchase back in 1995 or something.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Jason:
quote:I don't understand why they can't include the trailers. They had them on all the other SE's so far. AT least on the RC2 versions. How come Paramount doesn't own the rights to its own trailers???
It's so weird, who wants a trailer of a movie added to a DVD holding the same movie?
Trailers are made to showcase a movie in places where the movie isn't. Going to the "Extras"-section of a DVD and seeing only "Cast Info" and "Trailers" is kind of a letdown to me.
I rented "Out of Time" with the Denzel, great extras. Some bloopers and audition tapes, kind of cool.
Two weeks ago I bought the "Conan Der Zerst�rer"-DVD, though, and the "EXTRA-EXTRA"-section only held trailers of other movies from the mid-90's, like "Blue Steel" and "TimeCop". It was so depressing. Also, the movie (Conan II) was in 4:3 and it was edited for PG-13. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
You're probably right about the special features being lifted from other sources. At the end of each one they tell you to buy Generations on VHS and DVD. It seems somewhat redundant to tell me that.
I just hope that FC SE is done a little better with new, extended or deleted scenes reinserted into the movie.
Overall though, Generations is still my favorite of the odd-number movie curse.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I've wondered abot a First Contact SE: Is there known to have been any deleted scenes?
Of course, the ultimate erection would be an extended battle sequence with the Borg but I really doubt ant of that was cut.
Mabye Paramount will take a tip from Lucas and release another-modified- DVD every six-ten years to make more money.
Oh wait...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote:Unlike the previous special edition DVDs there aren't any new scenes added into the movie.
This is only true of the first two, as far as I know. Or, I guess there is a little reediting in VI, maybe, if I recall correctly. But that is it.
(I am very ambivalent about the idea of slipping cut scenes back into movies, as they tend to be cut for good reasons. Like, in Wrath of Khan, the extended version of the "What about Reliant, she's on her way?" scene may have some extra stuff going on in it, but Bibi Besch's line readings just aren't as good as they were in the take that was originally there. Anyway, when they're good they're great, but often they're just mediocre, or worse, actively detrimental.)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thing is Generations had so much cut from it! Generations and Insurrection are two that need their missing scenes reinserted.
Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
well shit, guess I'm not buying Generations afterall...
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