Holy crap- this is gonnna be fantastic.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Yeah I saw on Trek movie. Considering what they did with the Fesarius and Yonanda, the Doomsday Machine will be huge!
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
AAH! The Enterprise has been taken over by Romulans!
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
*drool* The Constellation's damage looks fantastic!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Holy shit that's nice.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Okay, I haven't bothered watching any of the remastered episodes yet (partly because I often work Sunday mornings when it's on, anyway), but hot DAMN. I am NOT going to miss this one!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I see a praxis ring at the end of that preview when the Planet Killer is 'blowing up'. It's a blue explosion.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
The beam weapon and maw of the planet killer in that video looks crude, and the Enterprise moves way too fast for its size, flitting about like a Whitestar.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Interesting you say that about the maw since several people have stated the same thing at Trek Movie. Personally I think it looks fine. It makes the DM's insides look almost volcanic.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
THIS is why the remastered series should really be called "STAR TREK: AWW, YEAH".
Mark
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: The beam weapon and maw of the planet killer in that video looks crude, and the Enterprise moves way too fast for its size, flitting about like a Whitestar.
Bear in mind though that they speed up the footage in these adverts to make it more exciting.
I don't think the planet killer's inner fiery stuff looks that great, but Mike Okuda claimed it was his favourite element of TOS:R so far, so I presume it looks a lot better in HD.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
The Connie Wreckage (I'll assume it'll be the openning episode title shot)...
Glorious and telling a tale. Indeed, they were forced to bail her. for the sake of discussion, let's assume all of her shuttles were away on the surface or otherwise incapable of fleeing when it came appearant that the DM was going munch on the planet next, since i've seen no pics of damage to the secondary hull. would be nice if they thought of that and added damage to the shuttle bay?
Much improved and detailed above view (even better than the Exterter's damage to the Kongo in thier 2nd Web-sode (will they ever finish act3?) and still a touching view of drama (one of the best views done in the original)
Nice shuttle excape.
I wonder what scene this redoes, the E verring off and away from the DM (perhaps the Connie's first counter attack?
Regardless, it looks wonderful... too bad i won't see it for another... oh, bunch of months Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
The Connie Wreckage (I'll assume it'll be the openning episode title shot)...
Glorious and telling a tale. Indeed, they were forced to bail her. for the sake of discussion, let's assume all of her shuttles were away on the surface or otherwise incapable of fleeing when it came appearant that the DM was going munch on the planet next, since i've seen no pics of damage to the secondary hull. would be nice if they thought of that and added damage to the shuttle bay?
Much improved and detailed above view (even better than the Exterter's damage to the Kongo in thier 2nd Web-sode (will they ever finish act3?) and still a touching view of drama (one of the best views done in the original)
Nice shuttle excape.
I wonder what scene this redoes, the E verring off and away from the DM (perhaps the Connie's first counter attack?
Regardless, it looks wonderful... too bad i won't see it for another... oh, bunch of months Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: Interesting you say that about the maw since several people have stated the same thing at Trek Movie. Personally I think it looks fine. It makes the DM's insides look almost volcanic.
I think most of them are reacting without considering that they're seeing it at a very low resolution. Effects like that don't fair very well under that sort of compression. I'm sure the final product will look just fine.
As for the latest set of images, I'm pleased that they've retained some of the original's blue, crystaline like structure after all. Looking at the preview, it looked like a dull grey rock like texture.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Wow. This will be most impressive!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Question:
I remember reading on here or elsewhere a while back, that the model used for the constellation in the 60's was an AMT model - and that model wasn't a faithful reproduction of the NCC-1701.
Someone went as far as to create blueprints of the differences... or was this the Franz Josef Enterprise - or did he base HIS blueprints of the AMT model?
ANYWAY - have they copied the design of the NCC-1701 for the remastered Constellation - or have they faithfully reproduced the AMT model?
Can anyone tell? What are the tell-tale signs??
Andrew
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Docterman's version is quite good, there are some truly great parts, but to be honest, I've seen better work from less prestigious modellers who've spent far less time and effort than he apparently has. Maybe it was just all the hype that spoilt it(Trekmovie had several articles gushing over it).
The elements I did like were the slight transparency of the planet killer and the way that this guy really wasn't scared to have the camera go right up close to the models. In one of the flybys when the 1701 looms right over the camera it looks fantastic. I wasn't so impressed by the Constellation, though. The glowing effects made it look less dead.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Question:
I remember reading on here or elsewhere a while back, that the model used for the constellation in the 60's was an AMT model - and that model wasn't a faithful reproduction of the NCC-1701.
Someone went as far as to create blueprints of the differences... or was this the Franz Josef Enterprise - or did he base HIS blueprints of the AMT model?
ANYWAY - have they copied the design of the NCC-1701 for the remastered Constellation - or have they faithfully reproduced the AMT model?
Can anyone tell? What are the tell-tale signs??
Andrew
The original Doomsday episode did use an AMT model, that's why the registry numbers were just rearranged. I don't know exactly what the differences are, but obviously there must be many between a 14" plastic kit and a fullscale effects model. AFAIK, the CBS version uses the regular Enterprise model they've been using all along, only with battle damage and retexturing. They wouldn't have built a new model to look like the 1960s kit.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
At least now any theories about the Constellation being a sub variant of the Constitution class or being a different class of starship all together can be dropped.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Ha! Are you kidding? They'll just ignore the "remastered" shows, in the same way that some Star Wars fans ignore the special edition versions of those movies.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I saw the episode this morning! Holy shit, it kicked serious ass- a perfect example of how to remaster an old show and make it exciting again.
I cant believe I'm saying this, but I'll be first in line to buy these on DVD.
Stuff to watch for: -The scene where Enterprise is first attacked while the Constelation is in tow- Enterprise gets nailed with deflectors mostly down and sorta flips far forward (camera from roughly Constelation's POV). -The new anti-proton effect is vrey cool- no more blue beam, but rather a sudden eruption from the Planetkiller's core- and in the same orange tones. -Decker piloting the stolen shuttle out of Enterprise's bay and a fantastic curved trajectory towards the PK which somehow makes that old box shuttle design seem sleek and elegant- a fucking miracle in itself. -Scotty has one phaser bank operational- abd only one fires, while Enterprise fires twin beams (blue this week). -Enterprise (commanded by Decker) does this fantastic strafing run down the Planetkiller's length- the camera perspective is from just befind the left nacelle- giving an incredible POV "gunner shot" of the attack.
By far, the very best of the remasered stuff thus far.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny: They wouldn't have built a new model to look like the 1960s kit.
If you mean being crappy looking - then OF COURSE... if you mean dimensions etc, different style engines etc. then why not?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Whoa! It was nice. I especially like the scene when the Enterprise is slowly drifting toward the DM! Also the new FX of Decker's shuttlecraft suicide makes it look as though Decker was really desperate to destroy that thing. It flies hap-harzardly from the Enterprise and zooms right for the machine.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"if you mean dimensions etc, different style engines etc. then why not?"
Time and budget constraints?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
True, but I was wondering if it had always been a big thing in TOS fandom over the years that the AMT model meant a different sub-class... so as they did with the Cage and WNMHGB Enterprises they may have tweaked the Constellation to take on any differences between the two. Was there much of a difference?
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
I think the majority of people have accepted that it was a cheap model they used and that any differences were due to that, and it wasn't supposed to represent a Constitution variant. There are bound to be some people who insist otherwise, probably having made blueprints that can be found on starshipschematics.com or something.
I've decided I'll download this ep since it sounds so good(haven't seen any of them so far). Best I can do till the DVDs come out in Britain.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
If you find a place where to download it, would mind mind telling me?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm waiting for that m'self. In the meantime, you can find the FX reel on Youtube.
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
DDM = 23rd century "Eye of Sauron"? Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
And Commodore Decker is Gollum!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Aha! The One Ring was made out of solid neutronium, wasn't it? Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I always thought it was more a a Moby Dick, Ahab type-o-thing. Star Trek does have more of a tradition of referencing Melville than Tolkien. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Nobody tosses a Klingon!!
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
quote:Aha! The One Ring was made out of solid neutronium, wasn't it?
Cat couldn't scratch it.
That new pic of the maw was nice, the problem I think is if the glow shimmers and flickers too fast, like a 2D fire sprite from the Doom-era. It should be mesmerizing and terrible, like aunt Edna's ass.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: If you find a place where to download it, would mind mind telling me?
I don't know quite what the policy here is on discussing file sharing sites, but suffice to say, any search on google for torrent sites will lead to files for all the remastered episodes so far, apart from DDM, but that should be up by this time next week.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Huh. I was just over ar EAS and judging from the updated effects, I think the updated Planetkiller would be about the size of the Voth city ship.
Biiig.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah, fixing the scaling issues has really put a lid on how big the ol' ice cream cone really is.
So how exactly again is it capable of eating whole planets?
Mark
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
By breaking them up and eating the smaller pieces.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Wich is still, of course, idiocy. At leat in as much as it would take a single Planetkiller centuries to consume a whole planetary mass....big as it is, it's damn tiny on a planetary scale. I can however see the PK's beam destabiliziing a planet's core, causing it's destruction, then "consuming" the super-dense core for conversion to antimatter (and possibly converting excess into more neutronium hull, making the whole thing larger or repairing damage).
The other odd misconception in fandom is that the PK can not move at FTL speeds- were that so, there would have been thousands of years to prepare between threatened worlds.
Smething not tried in the episode (and possible with a couple of starships) would be to make the PK chase a starship endlessly- "distracting" it untill a population could be evacuated or additional reenforcments could arrive.
Hmmm...I ownder if Starfleet developed any sort of anti-planetkiller weapon- prahaps a big antimatter tanker, remotely operated to zip down it's belly and blow up.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
"Wich is still, of course, idiocy"
Well that's the impression I get from the episode. It could have FTL drive, but if that were the case wouldn't it have warped away once it lost interest in the Enterprise and Constellation? Maybe the there was an error in the AI programming.
Also the words are spelled which and something Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, but I never type faster than I can see, besides, it's all in the reflexes. Or something.
As to the Planetkiller, it might have to slowly cycle up to FTL velocity (with whatever space-distortion drive kicking in only then) or prahaps it's programmed to only move on after it's destroyed all the inhabitable planets within a system- maybe everything within the so-called "life zone".
There could indeed have been an error in the AI's programming- it'd be neat to see Starfleet encounter another Planetkiller with substantially more inteligence (something smart enough to blast a starship before it flies down it's throat, for example).
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: DDM = 23rd century "Eye of Sauron"?
Baby Q's dropped ice-cream cone.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Hang on - thinking about this more...
Is the purpose of th Planet Killer - to just mindlessly wander around and "eat planets" to get larger and larger for its own benefit or was it a civilisations's weapon to destroy planets? Just never 'turned off'? The 'eating' of the planets was just a by-product of it's destruction of planets.
I read somewhere that the hull of the Planet Killer was all dinged and dented due to combat damage over a long time? Neutronium would essentially be 'undentable' wouldn't it?
Interesting if a Borg cube AND a planet killer turned up one day! Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I remember reading in the Star Trek Chronology that the Doomsday Machine was created by a civilization at war with another civilization in some faraway galaxy. The DM ended up destroying both civilizations and then proceeded to take a trip to the Milky Way Galaxy. But of course this is all stuff pulled out of the Okudas' collective arse.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Actually, it's stuff pulled from Spock and Kirk's respective arses. From the flimsiest evidence, Spock draws the conclusion that
quote:"Projecting back on our star charts, we find that it came from outside, from another galaxy."
Which is profoundly silly, because he can't tell how far back he should backtrack. If you extrapolate the route I took to work this morning back far enough, I came from outside the galaxy, too...
Kirk then goes on with
quote:"It's a weapon built primarily as a bluff. It's never meant to be used. So strong, it could destroy both sides in a war. Something like the old H-Bomb was supposed to be. That's what I think this is -- a doomsday machine that somebody used in a war uncounted years ago. They don't exist anymore, but the machine is still destroying."
We never learn why Kirk would jump to this conclusion. He has no evidence that the weapon would be destructive enough to hurt the alien combatants he postulates. He has no evidence that the intended mission of the device would be over, rather than ongoing according to plan. And he has no evidence that the original builders aren't still receiving daily updates and steepling their tentacles and going "Exxxxellent!".
Of course, Kirk's conclusions don't actually hurt anyone. He still has to stop the machine, and he wouldn't do it any other way even if he knew this was the desperate anti-Borg measure of a peaceful race of sapient bunny rabbits.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, Peter David's novel "Vendetta" (about the only one of his books that I liked) posited that the PK was the prototype for an anti-Borg weapon - and that it was on a beeline through the Federation and right into the Delta quadrant. Basically, some ancient civilization blah blah blah built the PK outside of the galaxy and far away from Borg space. The idea was that the PK would track and consume the lifeless or assimilated worlds the Borg left in their wake, all the way back to the heart of Borg space. For some reason, the makers of the weapon had to turn it loose early, and we know the rest.
The makers also made the production version of the PK, which was hella bigger, spikey, and possesed by their souls. It eventually found a pilot in the form of Guinan's soul sister (really) who was on a quest to find a weapon to revenge herself upon those who whacked her home planet. She starts blowing up cubes, the starships Enterprise, Repulse and Chekkov get involved, and everyone just has a grand ole' time.
Mark
PS - Timo, if you extract your course from work and take into account the curvature of the Earth, you actually just came from work! Unless of course you don't treat the Earth as a perfect spheroid, at which point you WOULD have taken a complex spiral course from outside the galaxy to arrive at work on time.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I would love to see what that DM would look like! That Vendetta novel sounds really interesting; might get it some day.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The Vendetta nocel is worth picking up for the sublime way it treats the Borg- there's a fantastic chapter wherein the Borg assimilate an entire world- going so far as to chop up the planet for raw materials to make additional cubes. In true (pre-First Contact) borglike fashion, nothing is wasted- even the planet's corpses are used as drones or recycled...the depition of their "unimind" is very good as well.
As is their new "voice of the Collective"- a assimilated Ferengi Daimon.
Sadly, the characterizations suck no end of ass and David does his usual "over the top introduced character" in Captain Corsmo- someone so fueled by petty envy of Picard (his old academy rival or some nonsense) that he endangers his ship and the Enterprise, then actually fires on the Enterprise when Riker refuses his order to atack the Planetkiller wit Picard aboard it! That shit might work in the comics he writes, but it's pretty tough to stomach in Trek-.
Starts out great, ends in suck-city.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[Spoilers for Vendetta, in case anyone cares]
To be fair, Korsmo DID tell his tactical officer to attenuate the Chekkov's phasers to they'd just "shake them up a bit". Mind you, he gets keestered by his own hubris not five pages later. On the flip side, everyone who survived gets transferred to the Excalibur, and the rest is sappy "New Frontier" history...
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Another example of the "unfit for ANY command" character tat Peter David sticks into all his novels. But I'll refrain from the garbage that is New Frontier.
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