quote:Paramount is pushing back the release of J.J. Abrams' "Star Trek" from Dec. 25 to May 8, 2009, saying the pic's gross potential is greater as a summer tentpole.
Move was part of a major reshuffling to the studio's release calendar, as well as to DreamWorks' release sked. A second key change: DreamWorks' 2008 Ben Stiller summer comedy "Tropic Thunder" is moving from July 11 to Aug. 15.
Like Par, many of the majors are likely to revisit their release skeds in the wake of the writers' strike as they try to balance out their 2008 and 2009 calendars.
"Star Trek" has no competition in its new slot -- at least not so far, although it opens one week after 20th Century Fox bows "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" and one week before Sony is slated to bow sequel "Angels and Demons."
Paramount also dated two titles. Martin Scorsese's Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer "Shutter Island" will be released Oct. 2, 2009.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
*mumbles something about bastardly plots and development hell and eats another peep*
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
dammitdammitdammit.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
For Trek a tent pole is a tent pole.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: dammitdammitdammit.
Is that a reference to Robot Chicken?
I think a May release is better than a Christmas one. I think there was a lot of competition at that time wasn't there?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Is this actually the first time a trek movie has been a summer release? As I recall they're usually in the Nov-Feb bracket, so this is a good thing for the franchise...assuming the movie will be any good of course.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Two, three, & five were all June releases.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
But five sucked so bad, and was up against some of the biggest summer openers in the eighties, and so many of them, that they decided not to open in the summer again.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
But I think that's one of the reasons they decided to delay the opening. The writer's strike put so many things behind schedule, that (I think) not many big movies will be opening at the same time. Besides, it will give them time to polish up the final version and not rush to get the effects done. Unlike TMP, where the prints were being shipped out still wet from developing.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
So why didn't they alter the release date for the teaser? That just came out a couple weeks ago. I can't believe Paramount didn't realize then, but do now, that May '09 would be better than December '08.
--Jonah
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
D'oh
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
You have the directors edition i see? I was in 9th period study hall looking through some of these posts, and i found this thread. I printed it out and rushed downstairs to tell my science teacher, and resident school trekkie. We were both stunned. I guess I will have to talk to him about it more after mid-winter break...
But even though I am dissapointed, I do agree with B.J.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Great, now we have a paper trail.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: But I think that's one of the reasons they decided to delay the opening. The writer's strike put so many things behind schedule, that (I think) not many big movies will be opening at the same time. Besides, it will give them time to polish up the final version and not rush to get the effects done. Unlike TMP, where the prints were being shipped out still wet from developing.
No, it's because John Lesher is the new top cock at Paramount, & he's making his imprint by moving shit around because he fucking well can. It's cock-waving, pure & simple.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I was daydreaming once about what I would do if I was somehow made CEO of Paramount, and I decided I'd call a massive vote of Trekkies about canonization of Trek V, Voyager, and Ent - even down to individual epsiodes...and finally decide wheter TAS was canon or not, too.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
You might be better selecting members of this board as a ...cannonization board..... Informed,intelligent opinions, with much less fanboy "Lets have a giant supership" crap. Not that most trekkies dont have an informed opinion,but there are some that could use a bit of a wake-up beating.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well I think TAS can be added to Canon-dom... cause I think the main two reasons Gene Roddenberry didn't think it was appropriate to have TAS as canon because of some of the 'silly' story lines... one was when the crew were miniaturised - this has been done - quite well actually now by DS9 "One Little Ship". And I think the other one was about people growing older but looking younger - reverse time or something... Voyager did that story in season 2's "Innocence"
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
TAS had much sillier stuff than that. Personally, I'm in favour of a "selective" canonising of TAS, that is elements and characters that work (like the Antares used in TOS-R) ignore what doesn't work (like the forcefield belts and horribly ugly shuttles) with the exception of "yesteryear" not many of the stories themselves are salvageable IMHO and even then you can safely ignore the framing story.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't remember the "forcefield belts" offhand (it's been a while since I watched any of TAS), but I believe TNG and DS9 both featured belts with shield generators on them.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
And some TNG novels featured those life-support belts as surplus from an earlier era as a nod to TAS. There was a lot of stuff Starfleet seemed to have been fiddling with around that time that they later streamlined or discarded. The TMP uniforms, tricorders, wrist communicators... the TAS life-support belts... You just don't see those into the 2280s.
--Jonah
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I wouldn't mind seeing the canonization of some of the novels; specifically the "eighth season" of DS9, which are some of the best Star Trek novels out there. The Starfleet Corps of Engineers novellas are pretty good, too.
Canonization of the Enterprise novel "The Good that Men Do" would erase Trip's utterly pointless death in Enterprise's wretched finale.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
As I recall, the whole point of those life support belts was that they could just put a glowy outline over the existing character cells, or something like that. I've never actually watched TAS, only read the Alan Dean Foster novelizations. Which tend to make an apparently light-hearted show a bit darker.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Almost. They also had a silvery belt added around the middle.
--Jonah
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I don't pretend to know anything about Star Wars canonization, but isn't there some kind of 'graded' canonization there involving the novels and games? A framework like that might be something to think about...I've heard of "G-level canon" for example in relation to Star Wars...any Wars geeks here who know?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
As far as I know there's the films, there's everything else (books, games comics) that are approved by the ranch and has to be incorporated in future titles then there's a bunch of stuff like the Holiday Special that's just ignored.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
in most of the current novela, they include a chart in each of the books where some titles sit in the time line, compared to the movies. i've noticed these in the RC series but the titles listed in the timeline as of 'True Colors', numbers in several dozen covering both ends of the movies...
though, that alone isn't the perverbial nod of cannonininty... titty, titty, titty...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
In star wars's case, everything official (not including fan fics i believe,)and I mean every thing, even those hideous star wars transformers that just came out, has to go through lucas or his companies, and be aproved by them, which I believe would make EVERYTHING cannon. But there are regulations that make sure that any authors and game makers dont step on established cannon, or create something that cant or wont happen in the SW universe. Likewise, Lucas and company can also choose to completely ignore a piece of the universe, like the holiday special, and completely de-cannonize it. If only they had that system in the Star Trek franchise....
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
And George always reserves the right to contradict anything -- even the movies.
But the Expanded Universe canon can't contradict the movies, and tries to avoid contradicting each other. But that means errors get perpetuated, too. Like the five-mile Super Star Destroyer, Rogue Squadron, Imperial uniforms and ranks (and what they mean), etc. A lot of game developers and authors just don't know enough about the universe they're playing around in.
That line is going to be blurred by the animated Clone Wars movie this summer, and the two TV series in development. And George has said he considers the storyline of The Force Unleashed video game to be as canon as the movies -- filling in the timeline between Episodes III and IV.
As for Star Trek... I object to the idea of picking and choosing episodes and movies. They may not be up to the quality of the better episodes, but "Spok's Brain" and Star Trek V still had their moments and shouldn't be left out just because of bad writing. And I include TAS in there, as well. Everything on-screen. Then the DS9 and Voyager Relaunch novels, New Frontier, the Titan books, S.C.E. All the other novels, comics, games... Some of them just don't fit in continuity, but most can be worked in somewhere. So my take is "canon until contradicted by onscreen material".
But when it comes ot resolving contradictions in the onscreen material? I'm in favour of retconning when the new version corrects or refines something that had come before. But retconning through laziness I can't stand -- when continuity is changed because the rpoducers or writers of a leter series can't be arsed to do their research or hire somone who knows the material.
Which is kinda how I feel about the Star Wars prequels. THey mess with the Original Trilogy too much. Which is why I got copies of the shooting scripts and rewrote them to see if it coould be done better. *heh*
--Jonah
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I'm not sure where the Clone Wars series will fit . . . that's up to Lucas.
But I can tell you what the lay of the land is right now:
Basically Star Wars has two separate continuities . . . dual canons. One is that of Lucas, and the other comes from the EU folks, who have their own (though it is generally inclusive of and subservient to that of Lucas).
"STARLOG: The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?
LUCAS: I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Aug. 2005 - "New Hopes" interview in Starlog #337
Y'know I'm gonna have to read that "Good that Men Do" since everyone's liking it so much. Also, what's this I hear about an animated Clone Wars Movie? I only know of the two tv shows. Plus, I'd love to read your scripts Jonah. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I wondered about that movie thing, too. The Wikipedia says that, apparently, the new Clone Wars TV show will be introduced via a feature film this August.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Wonderful, more Star Wars movies...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
August 15th. And there's gonna be a limited re-release of Episode III next year.
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
See the new Clone Wars trailer here. Looks good to me, but then I was a fan of the Genndy Tartakovsky series. Speaking of which, it looks like this series will be set around the same time, one would assume it's not contradicting that show, just building on it. The bit with Asajj Ventress seams to indicate that, at least.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: August 15th. And there's gonna be a limited re-release of Episode III next year.
--Jonah
Where did you hear about the Ep.III re-release?
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
It's not about the fact that it wasn't good writing, but Trek V and some other things just don't fit into Trek very well. It'd at least have to be changed to be consistent - how the hell did they get to the center of the galaxy that fast, for example? It'd at least need to be changed to take place inside some other anomalous area of space. And things like Voyagers "faster than light, no left or right" which flatly contradict everything we've ever heard in Trek previous would have to be de-canonized - and it's either de-canonize the episode or just come out and say "Yeah well, they all didn't *realize* you couldn't turn at warp, and neither did the bad guys. But then they remembered."
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: Where did you hear about the Ep.III re-release?
I'm in the 501st, and so is Jen. She's in the Neon City Garrison in Vegas, and she just let me know about it. I don't know where all it's going ot be, but Vegas is evidently going to be one of the cities. I'll ask around and see what other cities...
--Jonah
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
501st...Airbourne?
Or some club in vegas?
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
--Jonah
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
wow. I'm a gamer Nerd but they excede my nerd power level by 9000...
woah. ...and i thought some of the chicks Cosplaying 'Gally' at Anime Expo '04 were hot...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Having played through Star Wars Battlefront 2 twice already, I should have remembered that.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I know this chick, Caroline Loveless, who's somehow gotten herself sort of well-known at cons among Star Wars fans...she's always boring me with pictures of her in costume or with one of the Wars actors or with 501st people. I never cared as long as she let me play with those MasterReplica lightsabers...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
My lab teacher would marry her.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
She is a lesbian. But gay marriage is illegal in most states still Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Okay, then perhaps my aunt.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Another QC fan! Excellent.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Yeah i got home from the cafe after closing and 'Lucy' was on Adult Swim. LOL, we must make the world Masterbate more!
and then Lucy admits she does, often...
wow.
and yeah, QC is very fan loved. OHHH! She finally did the moves on whats-his-they-always-fighting-smug-shit-face! Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Sven.
--Jonah
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Adult Swim is full of such crap these days I don't even bother to watch anything new. So is this Lucy Daughter of the Devil any good, or it more utter crap of the Tom Meets the Mayor (or whatever it's called) variety?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There's my chippy.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, I agree about the general downward spiral of Adult Swim (with notable exceptions), and I like "Lucy, the Daughter of the Devil". So, take that for whatever it's worth.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I liked Inuyasha a bit, but I couldn't help laughing at the titles. They might as well have been called "Insert the Major Plot Point in Exceedingly Obvious Language Here!"
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Harvey Birdman, Atourney at law.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
ATHF.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
ATHF rules.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
ATHF ruled. Then it kinda got weak.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Well, yeah, it was a hard concept to stretch, though. At least they ditched the superhero/detective idea.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
It still rules though.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Hey, thanks for turning me on to QC....been reading avariciously...
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Another convert to fill the ranks!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Sadly, me too.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I've looked at it, will read on more and see if it manages to be funny after the first year without the author using the comic as a therapeutic tool to vent his personal shit in pretentious 500-letter preachorama speech bubbles, in order to reap sympathetic comments in his myspace/facebook/livejournal page, like fucking Something*Positive or MegaTokyo. Martyr scum.
Pintsize is funny, lowkey.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Don't worry, no preachy sessions.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I like the fact that there are more and more 'serious' webcomics out there - that 'comic' doesn't have to mean 'comical' anymore. (I mean yeah, it's really funny too, but there's some heavy issues in here and serious plot and so on.)
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Speaking of Comics, this summer when I wasn in Canada, I found an original Star Trek Comic Book in a thrift shop for a Looney. It is in pretty good condition, and I bet it is worth something. The animation is interesting. THe Enterprise looks like a cross between the TMP refit and the original ship.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Phase II FTW!
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Hey, I just came across comic 800-something where Meena brings Steve home and I have read this somewhere...somewhen...Don't know when or why I didn't start at the beginning, but I've definitely seen this storyline before. It was hella creepy d�j� v� (did I get the pretty little diacritics right?) until I realized I really head read it.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
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