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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Here are some of my thoughts on "Unexpected." As I'm writing this, I'm only about halfway through the episode, so my thoughts will be incomplete.

The alien ship really strikes me as being at least partially organic. The roaming-free grass is evidently part of the environmental systems (not to mention that their main food grows on the walls). There also seem to be water tubes with eels flowing through them (reminds me of Darwin the dolphin and his tube system from SeaQuest). The "terraphasic" coils sounds a bit unusual, and the warp core set looked very flowing and organic. Lots of green and earth tones in the set designs, too.

It also strikes me that the writers are trying to stick to a realistic portrayal of early deep space exploration. We've never seen any human crew members before go through an environment acclimation procedure before. That was interesting to watch, and it didn't strike me as being too big a drag on the pacing. It was also good to see that Tucker needed a great deal of time before fully adjusting to the climate.

The mess room scenes are really beginning to grow on me. I liked watching the buffet breakfast line and the exchange between Phlox and T'Pol. T'Pol is still quite a grump and still seems to hold a good deal of contempt for human cuisine. First there's the meat, and now she doesn't like blueberry pancakes. It did stick me as a bit odd that food is served through a buffet line, though. I was expecting something more like a cafeteria line.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I dug the opening shower scene. It's nice to see a bathroom (sort of), and it's cool to see how far tech will advance -- they're still using water! Hahahahahahaha!
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Yes, I liked the prologue. We've heard references to gravity failures before, but we never got to see one until now. Perhaps this is why an alternative is found for water showers? Archer didn't seem too surprised by the gravity failure in his bathroom. Maybe this was a common problem at this age in space exploration?

I still don't think we saw a toilet in Archer's bathroom. Are we ever going to get to see one of those things on a starship?

There's still some nice interplay here between the characters. Watching the final dining scene with Archer, T'Pol, and Tucker really did remind of how a lot of the TOS episodes ended. You have Archer supervising a trading of remarks between T'Pol and Tucker. Quite nice, actually. It's also nice to see that Archer actually invites other crew members to dine with him. This time Phlox got the invitation.

The Klingons are quite the hostile little warriors, aren't they? I guess they're still ticked off with Klaang nearly dying in a cornfield. The Klingons do seem to be quite trusting of the Vulcans. Seems that they do have a good diplomatic relationship at this point in time. This episode really shows off their aggressive nature with the "fire first, ask questions later" introduction to Enterprise.

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Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried:
I still don't think we saw a toilet in Archer's bathroom. Are we ever going to get to see one of those things on a starship?

I assume you mean other than the one in the Enterprise-A brig.
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
There was one in the Enterprise-A's brig? I don't remember that. I remember the chair that slid out for Kirk to sit on, so I guess I'll have to rewatch The Final Frontier sometime soon. Other than that, though, we haven't actually seen one in a personal bathroom.
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
teraphasic: The prefix tera- means trillion. -phasic refers to phasing something. So the coils operate in trillions of phases?
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
That thing he sat on was a toilet. Complete with a sign behind it reading "DO NOT USE WHILE IN SPACE DOCK"

LOL
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
That's the toilet!? I've been watching that movie for over ten years and never realized that the chair Kirk sits down on is a toilet!?

I guess it's true that ya learn something new everyday. I had always assumed that it was a built-in chair that simply slid out since there didn't seem to much of anything in there to sit on. I guess being a toilet would explain why it looked so... odd.
 


Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
Watching Star Trek V for ten years? Poor bastard...
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Hey, when you don't date...
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
You could at least watch 'Star Trek VI' ...
 
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
Just finished watching the episode. Is it just me, or did anyone else laugh hysterically when the Klingon yelled out, "I can see my house from here!"
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
I wouldn't call the episode an instant classic or anything, but we did get perhaps the greatest line uttered by a Klingon, well, ever...

"I can see my house from here!"

{Edit: Krenim, how could we possibly have done that?}

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
actually for proper Klingon usage, i think its a proper noun.

"I can see my House from here."

There.. now its a classic.

I have noticed a trend in Enterprise, though... The show takes us interesting places for about 45 minutes or so, then concludes with a sequence of the bridge with Archer explaining the ship out of trouble. The climax of Broken Bow's plot was the temporal chamber and then the high council scene, but 'Fight or Flight'; 'Strange New World' and 'Unexpected' have all ended with Archer having to stand there, get Sato to hook up the translator and then Archers bullshits to get out of trouble and resolve the episode. I find it less than satisfying.

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
I have to disagree with ya there. One of Voyager's flaws was that there were episodes where the pacing was so out of whack that the climax and resolution all happened within about a five to ten minute time frame. Enterprise's pacing has been fairly good with solid build-ups and balancing that with the conclusion. Of course, this is solely my opinion, but I can really tell that a lot more thought is going into pacing these episodes out than some of Voyager's episodes.

Besides, Hoshi Sato was the one doing all the talking at the end of "Fight or Flight," not Archer. This episode it was T'Pol and Archer together that were talking to the Klingons, and the climax sequence itself took place with just Archer, the Klingons, and the aliens.

On another note, I think I like how Enterprise is dealing with the sensors of the main diagnostic bed. It looks like the bed itself may be rigged with basic sensors to check pulse, respiration, etc. However, the more advanced scans require the patient to slide into what looks like a giant MRI chamber. That's the first time we've seen this process, and I found it quite a realistic way of showing how the in-depth wide-area scans are completed.
 


Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
 
Am I the only one who laughed out loud when Tucker was up against the hatch of the alien ship and you could clearly see the grain in the plywood that the door is made of? hee hee
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
yes, you are..
 
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
 
We had the conclusion to a story arc with this episode. The humans and Klingons have settled a debt. Now, the Klingons want nothing more to do with humans. I wonder if humans will ignore this message and do an incredibly stupid thing. Could this be the beginning of the war between these two races?
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I hope so

And the best line uttered by a Klingon was in "Broken Bow":

"Stinky boots!"
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Actually, I think this episode lends more credence to the "disasterous first contact" ... the Earthers seem to think it was a success, but the Klingons don't seem to share the same view -- they seem kind of pissed off at the Earthers, actually.
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
I was just impressed by how phenomenally stupid Archer is in dealing with the Klingons.... If you aproach a Klingon and say 'Sorry to bother you' the Klingon will be greatly offended that you dont take him seriously enough to present a challenge and fire on you. Now if Archer had approached them and said 'Attention Klingon vessel! You will listen to me now, for I am Jonathan , son of Henry of the House of Archer, friend of the chancellor!" Then decades of war might have been avoided.
Maybe.
Bt the warfare doesnt start until 2210-2220 so there are probably other reasons
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Uh ... Mike ... they only met the Klingons a short while ago. It's not like Archer can go plug in old episodes of TNG to brush up on what not to do when talking with a Klingon!
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
Thats true.. i just know too much about klingons to not be chagrined by how he addressed them.

He should at least watch Galaxy Quest. If he had seen it he would have made sure they checked the pollen out more thoroughly last week "Dont open that!! Is there air out there? Can we breathe!? Do you know?!"
And he could ask Phlox where his Thermian accent came from
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
I don't think Archer was "stupid" in his dealings with the Klingon ship; I think he is just incredibly inexperienced. Fortunately, T'Pol was there and able to converse with the Klingons in a manner more suited to their culture. I wonder if T'Pol in particular was chosen to be the Vulcan observer aboard Enterprise in "Broken Bow" because she has had prior experience dealing with the Klingons? Perhaps she spend time as an ambassadorial attach� to the Klingon homeworld? Just a thought about that...
 
Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
I agree...

I think he dealt with it the only way he knew how; a guy that is out there wanting to make friends with everyone that he meets; the way he would on his own planet.

Archer really has nothing to base his Xeno-Diplomacy on. He approaced the Klingon the way you would approach another human.

If he had come out and spoken to the klingon as if he already knew how to treat them, it would have annoyed me a little.

And I think that is the precisely the reason T'Pol was put on the Enterprise; tho' I'm not certain they had T'Pol specifically in mind .. only that they ensured a vulcan with travelling-experience was onboard to provide 'guidance'.

As we see here - it is a good case for the Vulcans. I wonder if she'll rub it in his face?

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
of course she will.. shes a real bitch, and my least favorite character.

Her reaction to Trip's pregnancy was incredibly insulting. If they ever want to make her into a whole character in my eyes, shes going to have to own up to the fact that shes being irrational and get that chip off her shoulder

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
I can understand T'Pol's remarks and behaviors perfectly. The Vulcans have for several decades been more or less repressing the humans. I hate to jump in and claim racism because that's emotional, but she and many of the Vulcans see humans as being inferior. Logically, this is the case because we're possessed of a "volatile temper" and "primal urges." In their eyes, humans are completely illogical and irrational.

Her personal opinions may also derive from her experiences stationed as an ambassador's aide on Earth. It's fairly obvious from Archer, Tucker, and other humans that they don't like the Vulcans. She's probably gotten a good deal of grief from these angry humans and that has reinforced her prior opinions. Tucker's pregnant, pregnancy needs intercourse, humans are governed by primal urges, sex is a primal urge (yeah, baby!), therefore it's reasonable for her to assume that Tucker did the coaxial slipstream with the alien woman. She was definitely wrong, but I can see how the chain of thought went.

She'll definitely be warming up (as far as Vulcans can, I guess). We already saw a brief bit of that at the end of "Broken Bow." We also saw part of her going out to trust Archer (a human) at the ending of "Strange New World." Hell, she and Tucker shared what I thought was a very fleeting moment of understanding.

One of the parts to Enterprise that I'm most excited about is seeing the friendship among Archer, T'Pol, and Tucker development slowly and fully. If the writers screw that up, though, I'll be really ticked off. So far, it looks like its stagnating a bit, but there are plenty of episodes left to watch this. I really felt cheated by Tom and Neelix patching things up after one episode, and Janeway and Chakotay rarely having those conflicts in Voyager.
 




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