if this is the first knowledge of holodecks, why does it not show up again until TNG? besides the fact that TOS didnt have the special effects that we have today, i dont see a good reason for holodecks showing up on Enterprise when we skipped seeing them for a whole generation (kirk and co.). anyone have any clue on this?
also, in the opening credits, the ship we see 3rd to last i believe, where it looks like a missile sort of and it has wings that extend out, is that the ship zephram cochrane used to break the warp barrier?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I think the episode implies that Enterprise didn't get the holography technology. The Klingons got a couple of simulators in exchange for not destroying the Enterprise and the alien vessel. But I don't recall there being any mention of the humans getting a simulator or two. Depending on what you consider canon, an episode of The Animated Series featured a large holography recreation room on the original Enterprise.
I think I know the ship you're talking about. It's the Phoenix, which is the vessel Cochrane did break the warp barrier in. It was a reuse of footage from Star Trek: First Contact.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It's interesting, my take on it. I say TAS is canon, so I don't have a problem with holographic technology showing up, but I don't like that the KLINGONS got it. In TOS, it was established that the Klingons' ships were not equipped with luxuries and recreation facilities. While not specifically mentioned, I think Holodecks would be among these. Why else would the Klingons have wanted to use the K-7 facility for shore leave?
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Nothing in "Unexpected" suggested that the Klingons wanted to integrate the hoographic equipment into their ships. They could have simply taken it back to Kronos.
Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Agreed. I thought they spared the Enterprise and the alien ship for a chance to see their homes again.
I could be wrong... but that's all they go outta that.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I wonder where the Xyrillian engineers got the detailed visual data from Qonos. Did the Klingons have postcards lying around from the Capitol?
"I went to Qonos and all I got whas this lousy T-Shirt!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The Klingon Captain gave the alien dude a chip that had a "topographic scan" or something of the capital city.
It's also possible that, while the Klingons got the holo technology, they weren't able to figure out how to use it, change it, or integrate it for a good long while.
If someone handed me a brand new PC, I could turn it on, turn it off, and figure out how to run the programs it came with, but it would take me a long time to figure out how to open it up and figure out how to make more of them, or link it to a network. And I'd probably break it in the process.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
So far I'm willing to put aside minor continuity flaws, mostly just dates of when the transporter invented or first contact with the Klingons. But if Enterprise starts developing holotech that will really piss me off because unlike other dates, TNG make it very clear the technology was brand new.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
I was also wondering why the klingons didn't want the cloaking technology instead of the hologragh tech. It would make more sense that a warlike people would see the benefit of this over the holodeck. Paul
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Who knows. Maybe they don't like the idea of sneaking around at this point.
Besides, cloaking tech seems more fitting for the Romulans because of their deceitful and secretive nature. The Klingons OTOH are proud warriors and maybe they didn't see any honor in tech for hiding and spying yet.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Sneaky or not I find it hard to believe they would give up this technology. Even if they didn't use, it to stay honourable, they would still need to understand it in order to be able to counteract it in battle. Later on in TOS they gave up the plans for their best battleship in order to obtain the technology. Someone should have killed the commander and took control of the ship for that blunder. Paul
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Perhaps they did.
I'm just piping up and pointing out that what we're all calling a cloaking device was only referred to as "stealth technology" on Enterprise. It could have shared more in common with the primitive "masking circuitry" or whatever it was that the Kazon Nistrim had in "State of Flux" than a cloaking device in the Balance-of-Terror sense.
