The Pre-E itself I like.
(Dodges the rotten fruit thrown in his direction)
It's the registry number that is getting me.
NX-01.
First of all, NX-01 should be the Dauntless. No ifs, ands, or buts. And don't give me that "The Dauntless was a fake, so we can't go by that" garbage. Somebody on the Voyager crew would surely have realized something was amiss with the registry number if it had been wrong.
But wait, folks, that's not all!
In the TV Guide interview, Berman states that Archer has been a Starfleet officer for 15 years. Shoving aside the entire "Did Starfleet exist before the Federation" debate, should not NX-01 be the first Starfleet ship? From the sound of the interview, there were other (though slower) starships before the Pre-E.
Down with NX-01!
1) Starfleet is comprised of morons for thinking up a whacked out scheme like this.
2) The Voyager crew is comprised of morons for failing to notice it.
3) The writers are morons for not going with a *new*, feasible numbering scheme, and giving us something the fans would theorhetically identify more with.
Take your pick. The easiest answer is two, if you ask me.
Mark
so its safe to assume NX-01-A was a bogus registery. Even if it was 'the first ship'.
Counterpoint the second: Perhaps the Earth Starfleet uses a more current-ish system of registries, that is to say two-letter codes for each type of ship followed by a chronological number. Enterprise could be the first ass-kickingly-long-range-Warp-5-capable-prototype vessel produced, hence the code. 'NX' could be coopted later on as a code for all prototypes in the UFP's Starfleet.
"The Akira looks cool - lets just use that and stick a bunch of Phoenix-like stuff on it, screw it, who cares anyway, we're in it to make loads of bucks, Roddenberry's dead, and HIS vision died with him, so who gives a F**k.
(Sorry, I've studied the new Enterprise, and as such am in a state of complete anger and dismay. But when you've studied, followed and reacted to Trek universe with utter precision and adoration for 25 years, you kinda feel like you've been kicked in the teeth when you see something like this)
On the subject of the reg:
I have two HUGE problems with it.
ONE: It implies experimental status which is all wrong because we'll now have an Enterprise-class which is ridiculous because with all the history we've had on ships called Enterprise, don't you think we'd have heard of one that got it's own class, and furthermore was also the first ship in Starfleet???
TWO: (Oh, slap me if you want to gripe about studio policy!) It contradicts the fact that The Animated Series establishes the S.S. Bonaventure to be the first Starfleet ship equipped with warp drive.
This is the old Bonaventure. Now THAT'S a proper pre-TOS looking ship. It should have been along these lines that the Pre-E was designed.
Here's a size comparrison with the 1701.
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Originally posted by The Red Admiral:
Berman, Braga - bastards. They don't give a flying s**t about everything. "The Akira looks cool - lets just use that and stick a bunch of Phoenix-like stuff on it, screw it, who cares anyway, we're in it to make loads of bucks, Roddenberry's dead, and HIS vision died with him, so who gives a F**k.
As a very wise man once said, "When one runs out of coherent arguments, one resorts to petty name-calling. It is truly the last act of a desperate man."
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(Sorry, I've studied the new Enterprise, and as such am in a state of complete anger and dismay. But when you've studied, followed and reacted to Trek universe with utter precision and adoration for 25 years, you kinda feel like you've been kicked in the teeth when you see something like this)
I hate to burst your bubble, but Star Trek is far from something that can be precisely followed. If you believe in this strict adherence, how the hell could you could have made it through Star Trek this far?
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ONE: It implies experimental status which is all wrong because we'll now have an Enterprise-class which is ridiculous because with all the history we've had on ships called Enterprise, don't you think we'd have heard of one that got it's own class, and furthermore was also the first ship in Starfleet???
Have you not read one single thing some of us supporting this series has written? Well? How many times hasn't someone said that there may be the distinction between the EARTH Starfleet and the FEDERATION Starfleet? If there is this distinction made in the series, you're argument is a dead point.
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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
2) The Voyager crew is comprised of morons for failing to notice it....
Take your pick. The easiest answer is two, if you ask me.
Another possibility is that the Voyager crew simply didn't care what the registry was. They had been stranded in the Delta Quadrant for years; are they really going to quibble about Starfleet's latest registry scheme when they could be trying to slipstream home?
-=Ryan McReynolds=-
But to be fair, I like my US Aircraft Cariers, and I haven't a clue what ship the CV-1 was back in WWII, if that ship existed *in* WWII. That could have been what we're looking at here.
Mark
I'm sure we'll be able to come up w/ an explanation for the "NX-01". But I still think it was stupid on the producers' part. After all, we shouldn't have to come up w/ convoluted rationalizations for things to make sense; they should make sense on their own...
I mean its not the end of the universe that they are keeping the same registry system (I am assuming they are, and that we will see other ships with NCC regos), or that there is going to be a pre federation Starfleet. But why do it? What’s the point of having the time period be pre-Fed if all of the trappings are the same?
Yes, you can justify the Earth Starfleet and NX-01 as not being in contradiction, but how are they a good idea. Couldn't TPTB come up with a creative name for Earth's interstellar navy (no not UESPA)? I also think that completely dropping registries altogether would have been better than keeping with the Fed Starfleet standards.
One worries that this will be a continuing trend.
Then we got to the good ones, starting with the Yorktown and Enterprise, taking the numbers CV-5 and -6, respectively. Then the Wasp and the Hornet, each in a class by itself.
Then came the seventeen carriers of the Essex class... Which I won't bother with unless asked. And so on, but now we're moving past the relevent time-frame.
--Jonah
[ July 10, 2001: Message edited by: Peregrinus ]
Mark
Wes: By Roddenberry's vision I mean the whole ball park which is Star Trek. I don't just mean ships and so forth. He cared for his creation, and his original vision is something that was his, and his alone. It is not a commercial comodity to be arbitrarily trampled on. I love what has happened to Trek in the last 10 years since his death, I have no complaints with it. But Gene himself was against any prequel ideas. The only way for his creation, in his eyes, was forward.
I only wish to state that a prequel idea may work, and may be a good idea if properly researched and thought through thoroughly. 'Enterprise' I fear may not stand up to much scrutiny, and more than that could unravel the sacred tapestry which is the Star Trek universe and its chronology. Possibly even worse than that, it may totally invalidate TOS, which in my mind would be unconscionable.