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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
From page 77 of the new "Entertainment Weekly," the one with "WHAT LIES AHEAD" on the cover.

Check it out, yo.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Damn. I guess the original Willys should be burned for looking too much like the modern Wrangler.

Oh, wait ... is that because Jeep designs the Wrangler to look like the Willy?

Anyhoo, congrats on getting in EW, Bernd.
 


Posted by Soundwave (Member # 138) on :
 
LOL... just be careful, I remember something about Paramount shutting down Trek sites a while back. They may not like a site that condemns Star Trek getting in a national magazine.
 
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
 
Well, when you have a Willy next to a Wrangler, you can tell which one came first.

Put the Enterpise NX-01 next to the 1701...you get the idea.

Although I wouldn't say that something looks too "cool" to not be old. I doubt that the creativity of Eaves and Berman is so low that they can't design a cool ship that you could tell was older than the 1701, just as you can tell a Willy is older than a Wrangler. In fact, the current NX-01 design could be tweaked just a little, and it would look more convincing as a predecessor.

[ September 21, 2001: Message edited by: Ace ]


 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Bernd: It's too bad they didn't give a direct link to the page in which you explain in great detail just why the Akiraprise doesn't work. Oh, well. At least they mentioned the homepage.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
Put the Enterpise NX-01 next to the 1701...you get the idea

Why? I wouldn't put a Willy next to a Land Runner and demand comparisons, because they're not the same "class" of vehicle.

You'd want to put the Enterprise next to the Akira-Class.

And, frankly, if you put the NX-01 next to the movie Enterprise, you could probably tell which one was "newer." Let's not bash Enterprise because special effects in the sixties really sucked, eh?
 


Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
I like the new/old design. Again we're looking back instead of looking forward.

Remember ... in the 60's TOS Enterprise was as good as they could do with the money they had.. I know my opinion here may not be popular, but jesus!! We're in the Millenium .. I'm glad they didn't get stuck designing the NX-01 using the TOS Enterprise as a model... cuz that would have disappointed me.

Are we all gonna get pissed if the helm station has a monitor with an ACTUAL display on them .. cuz they certainly didn't have that in TOS.

The creators took a leap forward into the future from the year 2001 and made a product... They didn't look back from the 24th century.. So let's just try to enjoy the show without hating it because "the ship doesn't look old enough".
 


Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :
 
quote:
Bernd: It's too bad they didn't give a direct link to the page in which you explain in great detail just why the Akiraprise doesn't work. Oh, well. At least they mentioned the homepage.

They can put direct links in print media now?

Assuming people can still type out their own URLs , they did give the URL, so Bernd's page counter must be pretty happy.

As for the "Oh my god its the end of trek because this ship is to cool" issue , it all comes down to..

Cool Ship = New viewers.

Ugly campy ship = happy hardcore fan who will watch the show anyway.

I'm not saying they couldnt design something that would please everyone , oh wait , yeah thats exactly what I'm saying.

Really the only things that makes this ship look futuristic are the details on the hull and some of the extra lighting ,which you should expect from todays detailed 3d effects.

[ September 21, 2001: Message edited by: Obese Penguin ]


 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"We're in the Millenium..."

...Falcon? Or did you mean "millennium"? In which case the question is, when were we ever not?
 


Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
 
wow. EW must be having a very dry news week.
 
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Congrats, Bernd!

As Soundwave says, I just hope that Paramount don't start enforcing their copyright on images Bend's posted at his site. Is Paramount so thin-skinned and vindictive that it would go after him for a bit of criticism?
 


Posted by HappyTarget (Member # 670) on :
 
Alshrim Dax: I cannot agree more with your statement. Its the old adage, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
We ARE talking about the same Paramount Pictures here, right?
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
As for the "Oh my god its the end of trek because this ship is to cool" issue , it all comes down to..

Cool Ship = New viewers.

Ugly campy ship = happy hardcore fan who will watch the show anyway.


I think the whole point of the Akiraprise issue is that TPTB could have made a "cool" 22nd century ship that its hardcore fans would have liked. Instead, they blatantly ripped off a design from a really cool ship and turned it into a really wierd ship for its time. I find nothing cool about the NX-01 whatsoever. And I seriously doubt that a cool ship will attract new viewers anyway. People know this is a new Star Trek series, no matter what it's called or how much it's being touted as different. If they're not into Star Trek or science fiction, they're not going to watch the show. Period. It has nothing to do with what the ship looks like.
 


Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
Well we are all familiar with the fact that we are getting recycled Voyager scripts from bad writers, so they will need all the new fans they can get. Voyager brought into the Trek fold a lot of dumb fans anyway
 
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
 
As I have in my signature for email and newsgroups:

Only those with imagination, intellect,
and common sense could make
Enterprise great, unfornately they
don't have them on staff.

Those without imagination, intellect, and common sense continually come up with the excuse for the Akiraprise of "It's not their fault that VFX in the 60's was crap." It's quite obvious to people like me and Bernd that it is possible to come up with a design that is older than TOS Enterprise but cool for the 21st century.

For more than 20 years such designs have floated around fandom... What Are You People Doing Here!? Some argue for fandom, then look at this obvious rip-off and cheer till they're hoarse. What happened to originality or uniqueness... What Happened To "Where No Trek Has Trekked Before," like we were promised. A reuse of story lines, reuse of ship design... heck we're even reusing the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship with Archer-Tucker-Mayweather [it is Mayweather right?].

I can't figure out what is more unbelievable; TPTB feeding these lies, or some of us accepting them. Reminds me of Manion's line from "The District" - "What's worse a lazy cop or a dirty cop?"

Fact: NX-01 is a rip off of the Akira Class.

Fact: NX-01 is unimaginative design for a ship from a period never visited in Star Trek.

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And with that over:

Congradulations Bernd, it's about time that your hard work received more recognition than it does. Your Encyclopedia and ship listing is one of the best out there. Your work in the ASDB and on the Wolf 359 Project is unparalled in attempting to unravel mysteries of Star Trek. Your insight into some of the more profound screw-ups of Star Trek is also quite amazing. Website and graphics design to boot--- Paramount's either stupid or just can't afford you

Keep up the good work for all Trekkies wishing to keep Star Trek, Star Trek.
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Fact: I posted that to show that one of us got a little massmedia recognition.

Fact: All y'alls used it to once again pull out your pathetic little cocks & wave them around at each other over FUCKING MOOT POINTS. Get OVER it.

Just say, "Hey. that's neat," keep your fucking mouths shut, & move on. Not everything requires anal-ysis.
 


Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
um.. yeah, congrats Bernd! I really have liked your site for a long time now.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Kirk/Spock/McCoy -> Archer/T'Pol/Tucker
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Kirk/Spock/McCoy --> Picard/Data/Worf --> Sisko/Odo/Dax --> Janeway/Seven/Doctor

Every series has a "big three" of popular characters. Every series has a character who represents an "outside view" looking into humanity (Data, Odo, Seven, the Doctor).

Such comparrisons cannot be used to detract from one series if they are not used to detract from the others.
 


Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
You've misunderstood.
Theyve said that the characters of Archer, T'Pol and Tucker are going to specifically play off of each other like the K-S-M trio. Tucker is going to bait and verbally parry with T'Pol just like McCoy did to Spock and T'Pol is going to try and balance Archer's brash side, just as Spock did to Kirk, and Tucker will be trusted friend and confidante to Archer just like McCoy was to Kirk. Supposedly this will be the center of many of the shows.
None of the character combinations you mentioned had a dynamic similar to that, and its something the producers feel is needed. Many of the post-TNG series have been such ensemble casts that even though they have 'main' characters, many of those traits are divided up between seven or nine characters, and sometimes specific characters didnt interact much for whole seasons. (for example.. in nearly every TOS show, we got to see Kirk Spock and McCoy interacting, but the Picard-Worf-Data that you mentioned, i can only remember a few good Data/Worf moments, and they werent even in the same episodes as the Worf/Picard moments or the Data/Picard episodes. When TNG and beyond focused on one character, it was usually to the exclusion of the other characters.) They wanted to make the Tuvok-Janeway-Neelix dynamic kind of like that, but it was obvious Janeway couldnt stand Neelix sometimes and neither could Tuvok, and Tuvok and Janeway really didnt have the friendship of Kirk and Spock, and Neelix really wasnt important to any of the stories anyway. And then they had to focus on so many Seven episodes, and Chakotay and Janeway had a lot of character interactions to be shown, so that kind of 'command dynamic' got lost in the blender.

[ September 24, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]


 
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
 
The producers are trying to do something that made TOS popular...I just hope they succeed at it. We can all bitch and moan about what we don't like and what we want to change...but are we in charge? Nope. So until someone gets 10 billion to buy out Star Trek and make it into their own image... just don't go crazy on what the producers do. Besides, if I did get too involved with the way Star Trek: Enterprise looks, I'd be in a loony bin already.

Oh Bernd, congrats...

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: Michael_T ]


 
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Thanks, thanks, thanks!

I was urgently looking for a scan of it, and in all the excitement I didn't see that there was already one in this thread. Thanks for scanning, Shik!

Coincidentally, it was on the same day that I set up my Enterprise FAQ which new visitors may have found as the first thing when coming to the homepage. I don't know if this is good or bad. Anyway, if Enterprise should turn out good, lots of people will come and say "Ha, you should have known better!" and I will be just glad that the Star Trek Universe is saved. If Enterprise fails, I will get a full-page article in EW. ;-)
 


Posted by IDIC (Member # 256) on :
 
Yeah, but you'd have to wait roughly seven years
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Not a problem, Bernd. I was in the living room reading it & I scared the girls when I yelled, "Holy fucking negro JESUS!! Bernd's in EW!!"
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
quote:
Holy fucking negro JESUS!!

Controversial. 8)
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Yes, as best as I've ever been able to gather, Jesus was more Middle Eastern.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Wayll, slap mah thigh! Are you-a insinuating-uh, suh, that Our Lord was one of them theyah Ay-rabs?
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
I thought Jesus was a bad-ass biker chick or something similar...
 
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
isnt it spelled 'Jebus'?
 
Posted by Soundwave (Member # 138) on :
 
Only if you're Homer.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Or me. :-)
 
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
 
I just picked up the EW from my campus bookstore... it has a nice pic of the cast. Oh, I also signed the petition against the ship's look.
 
Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
It looked great last night !!
 


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