So, who could FutureGuy be? What we know about him is that he is from the future (from a century before Daniels, so that would be the 30th), has advanced knowledge of genetic engineering, and has advanced time-travel technologies. He is humanoid, played by James Horan (but he has done no really important characters, IIRC). He has genetically enhanced around 3000 members of the Suliban species, which form his Cabal, lead by Silik.
In "Broken Bow", he wanted to plunge the Klingon Empire into civil war. This was thwarted by the Suliban female Sarin, the Klingon courier Klaang and the crew of the NX-01.
In "Cold Front", FutureGuy's operative Silik prevents the NX-01 from being destroyed, presumably so he can get his hands on Daniels Temporal Observatory. Either FutureGuy hasn't got that kind of technology, or the TO carries sensitive information.
In "Shockwave", FutureGuy wants Archer for unknown reasons. It is rumoured that in Part II something lead to the Federation disappearing from the timeline. Perhaps what FutureGuy wants.
So, the only real motive is the destruction of the 22nd century Klingon Empire, and perhaps the vanishing of the Federation. IF the producers ultimately decide to make FutureGuy a member of a known species (which would be logical.. an unknown species is hardly the shocking surprise they're no doubt hoping on), which would it be?
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
I'll say this: He doesn't appear to be very good at what he does. I mean: He has 3000 of these Suliban and apparently vast time travel capability...and he can't screw up one diplomatic mission?
I can't comment much further than that, seeing as how I've only seen one or two episodes of Enterprise... However, this sounds a lot like the plot from "The Change War", a novella by Fritz Lieber. (Pretty sure it's Fritz Lieber...my books are all in storage right now.)
Not that that would be a bad thing. The idea of a temporal war was one of those mind bending skull orgies back when I was a wee tot. I'll be glad to add the whole series to my collection if that materializes later on.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
$ (spoiler if you believe in Braga's statements) $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ I'd say he is a Romulan - if not Braga had recently said that the Romulans would be involved in a different fashion and probably a different story arc.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Strange that you mention that, since I had exactly the same thought when I first watched "Broken Bow". There was something about the guy's demeanour and tone of voice that just screamed Romulan to me, aside from that his costume looked like it had those funky, squared off Romulan shoulder pads. Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I thought he looked more Cardassian.
I'm a bit dubious about the viability of the Temporal Cold War arc. I mean, season 1 cliffhanger and already the whole future-as-we-know-it has been put in jeopardy. And no doubt in "Shockwave Part II" everything will be put back to normal (unless they're truly courageous and actually leave it open to doubt and up to the actions of the crew of the Enterprise, over the next few years, to bring things back on track). Now, season 1 and they're already having to resort to this? That's going to seriously impact on the, well, impact of any other times when the timeline is knocked off kilter.
Please note I tried to write the above paragraph from the POV of someone who does like the show, and I didn't mention anyone whose name begins with B. 8)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
James Horan is perhaps best known in genre circles for his role as Grayson, an Immortal from Highlander the Series in 1992. Badass of the Immortals, he was.
Anyway, are you cerain that FutureGuy is from the 30th century? I thought his specific time frame was never established.. It was just some time between Archer's time and Daniels'. Personally, I think it's from some time around the 25th century or a hundred years or so before or afterwards. Given FutureGuy's time travelling abilities - not being able to time travel himself, but having the ability to project a shadowy figure to a specially-built chamber - seems almost primitive compared to other time travel methods we've seen.
For example, by the 29th century Earth had shuttle-sized ships could travel through time without much problems, they had temporal shielding that would supposedly shield the ship from any big temporal changes, and could easily transport through time though only within certain physical limits. In the 24th, a fluke allowed the DS9 crew to have a very limited temporal transportation ability, and in the early 25th Alexander managed to secure a time travel device essentially ont he black market - something other people from the 26th century ("Captain's Holiday") can do. Otherwise, most time travel involved huge anomalies or various slingshot maneuvers.
Point being, that FutureGuy's temporal options seem almost odd. I'd think that any party in a temporal cold war would be a fairly powerful, well-equiped organization or governmental agency to be able to afford to fight stuff in your future. So, we can be reasonably sure that FutureGuy isn't just some mad scientist having fun by himself in a dark laboratory. However, even with a lot of resources supposedly at their command, these guys don't have the latest time travel abilities that Alexander could obtain for personal use.
Unless of course they don't WANT to travel back through time for mere communication. If FutureGuy and co. simply wanted to talk to the Suliban, then the temporal holocommunicator we've seen would be sufficient enough. But still, someone had to build it, and I find it hard to believe that a temporal holocomunicator would have such odd VFX side effects if they merely wanted to talk to someone. So, the big temporal chamber probably serves more use than just a really cool-looking phone. It may be able to transport materials back and forth through time between chambers, and perhaps even people. However, this may have been supplemented at least at first by more "conventional" time travelling ships and stuff to get materials and people back in time to set up the front in this cold war.
Finally, an issue here we've been missing is why Daniels and his guys are bothering to deal with this war, and why they're a front themselves. If the 31st century can fight allegedly for the good side in this war, why not the doubtlessly more advanced folks in the 41st century? Or the 51st, or onwards? It's most likely that if Daniels' people are on the good side, they are probably unwitting combattants with a particular stake in the war. temporal changes can affect EVERYONE, so it's odd that only a particular group of people in a particular time frame are worring about it.
However, from what we've seen in Trek prior to the onset of this war, when someone does something nasty with the timeline, it's usually up to a group of heroes in that timeframe to fix it. Such is that case in at least the 24th Century ("First Contact" the movie, DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations", evidence from "Captain's Holiday", and so forth), the 29th Century (Braxton's escapades are to fix problems that orginated in his century), and most time travel stories in between. Otherwise, whenever someone travels back in time to screw things up then someone would just pop in from the future to fix it, no questions asked.
But then, the whole paradox thing happens - if someone were interfering from the future, why would anyone centuries ahead care? And thusly, why would Daniels be there in the first place?
Time travel. Tricky business. Unpredictable.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
One possibly interesting point is that the future that's been changed in "Shockwave" was not, apparently, the future as we know it, but some distant point in time that nobody has ever seen before.
Now, I suspect I may very well be giving the show more credit than it deserves, but considering the vagueness they've tried to keep in the motives and origins of all concerned, I'm not at all sure that "bad for Daniels' time" necessarily means "bad for the Federation."
Posted by Hunter (Member # 611) on :
quote:Now, I suspect I may very well be giving the show more credit than it deserves, but considering the vagueness they've tried to keep in the motives and origins of all concerned, I'm not at all sure that "bad for Daniels' time" necessarily means "bad for the Federation
Well if you want to look at it cynically then the reason for the vagueness is that it doesn't limit the writers if, some time down the track they change their minds concering the motives of Future Guy or Daniels. Hopefully the vagueness is more to do with setting up some twist in the expected story lines.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
It seemed to me as if Daniels wouldn't really know who is his opponent. That would rather support someone from the far future who would be able to conceal his identity. But I somehow have the impression that we are familiar with Future Guy's story. He would be an ideal tie-in from the 24th century (and definitely a better one than the Ferengi).
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
I almost HAS to be a tie-in to familiar Trek. All the mystery surrounding FutureGuy has to be resolved sometime. And they'll probably going for the shock-effect.
I agree that the Romulan identity is the most wide-spread among fan(boy)s. A human or Vulcan identity could also be a possibility (especially given the overall behaviour of the ENT Vulcans).
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
The Romulan-trying-to-change-the-outcome-of-the-Romulan-War explanation strikes me as a bit too simplistic, to be honest. I hope they go with something a bit more unpredictable and convoluted.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Some SF depictions of time-travel I've read have suggested that history has an inertia that is hard to change - that, in effect, the course of history will follow a certain vague path, that specific things will happen anyway. The minor details may vary, but the overall outline remains the same. Perhaps FutureGuy only wants to make sure those minor details favour himself and his kind, maybe up to their very existence at in the overall timeline. And maybe said existence threatens Daniels and his ilk. Unlikely, I know, but worth consideration?
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
quote:Originally posted by The_Tom: The Romulan-trying-to-change-the-outcome-of-the-Romulan-War explanation strikes me as a bit too simplistic, to be honest. I hope they go with something a bit more unpredictable and convoluted.
Food for thought: When they first promoted the series, they described it as a departure from DS9 and Voyager, and a move "back to the basics."
Therefore, it is very unlikely that the villain would come from either of these two series. (i.e. they don't want new viewers to be "let down" by the revelation that FutureGuy is a character that they've never heard about from those two series) Therefore, he's not Dominion, Cardassian, and probably not Section 31. Probably not Borg either.
Due to this self-contained tendency of ST, it is almost certain that whether or not FutureGuy is good or bad, he will be Romulan, human, or Vulcan, and "he" will definitely be someone we know, or about to know from Enterprise.
At this point in time, out of those three, we don't know any major human characters, the Vulcans would be rather "meh, so what", so by elimination its most likely Romulan.
Inherent assumption: The writers actually do know.
Someone might recall specifics, but IIRC there was an interview with the creators, and they said while they were working on several possibilities, even they didn't know who he was yet.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't think we'll be introduced to a character who will later be revealed to be FutureGuy. As soon as a character shows up being played by James Horan, people will know what's going on.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
In this initial spate of media interviews, there were several possibilities for FutureGuy. But the latest from Braga has indicated that they have now nailed down who is now and he could be revealed anytime it fits the needs of an upcoming TCW story.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Food for thought: When they first promoted the series, they described it as a departure from DS9 and Voyager, and a move "back to the basics."
Therefore, it is very unlikely that the villain would come from either of these two series. (i.e. they don't want new viewers to be "let down" by the revelation that FutureGuy is a character that they've never heard about from those two series) Therefore, he's not Dominion, Cardassian, and probably not Section 31. Probably not Borg either.
Except that the Borg and Cardassians are both from TNG, and the Borg are very well known in casual fan circles. The Cardassians are also surprisingly well known.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Wouldn't it be funny if FutureGuy was Archer himself? Or Daniels. Or... WESLEY CRUSHER!!
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
One seemingly important piece of info about FutureGuy's motives that I'm not sure have been touched on. FutureGuy apparently wants the Enterprise's mission to fail, but doesn't want the ship destroyed or the crew killed. Remember, he had Silik save the ship once when it would have been destroyed. He also seemed perfectly content to see Enterprise return home in disgrace in "Shockwave". It was Silik, presumably going against orders, who decided to destroy Enterprise when Archer didn't give himself up.
My guess is that FutureGuy's ultimate goal is to stop the inclution of Earth in any kind of Federation-type government before it starts by causing their first attempts at deep space exploration to fail miserably. Destroying them would make them martyrs... he just wants them to look bad.
A Romulan seems likely. But I'm hoping for something a bit cooler... especially since we're getting Romulans in "Nemesis". And as much as I'd like to find out what's going on... I'm hoping they'll have the cahones to stretch this thing out for another season.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
In Cold Front, he didn't want Enterprise destroyed because Daniels' Temporal Observatory thingy was on it. But for now it seems he indeed isn't that intent on actually destroying Enterprise.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
That's the weird thing -- if the Enterprise had been destroyed in "Cold Front," they would've effectively been disgraced as a bunch of yahoos who couldn't last a year in deep space. And I'm sure that the Vulcans would've pushed for the same isolation that they were arguing for in "Shockwave."
Therefore, FutureGuy's order to leave the NX-01 intact must have a different motive. Perhaps to prevent a war between Earth and the Suliban, or the Vulcans and the Suliban? Because having the Suliban attack the Enterprise and destroy it would probably anger a lot of folks back home. An accident (like "Cold Front") would be embarrassing and crippling, but an attack would galvanize everyone into something different.
Hmm... here's a weird thought. Maybe FutureGuy wants the Enterprise to survive for a few years in order to do a certain thing (I have no idea what), but for them to stop short of helping to found the Federation (or inspiring it, or whatever). In other words, FutureGuy is using the Suliban to try to force the Enterprise crew to choose a different path that will lead to an altered (slightly or otherwise) future.
Hey! I just had an idea -- if Archer's disappearance had disastrous consequences for Daniels' people (presumably the Federation), then the question is, how was FutureGuy affected by this massive and unexpected change? Is he protected by time-travel shields or whatever?
Posted by Red Ultra Mega Psy Snay God Shinzon (Member # 16) on :
Maybe's he's fuzzy because he's only a probablility, and is working to make his future come about?
Maybe his IS the 'devastated future?'
naah.
He's Berlinghoff Rasmussen.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Manheim's a likely candidate, too.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: I don't think we'll be introduced to a character who will later be revealed to be FutureGuy. As soon as a character shows up being played by James Horan, people will know what's going on.
Hardly, even now we can mask our voices over telephones, or change our appearance over a videophone. For all we know, FutureGuy's "appearance" in the temporal chamber could be a complete fabrication, to deceive the Suliban, or to hide his identity if someone ever managed to record one of his transmissions.
There's no rule James Horan has play both the silhouette and the character; we already have precedent the guy inside Darth Vader's suit didn't lend his voice to his character.
quote:Except that the Borg and Cardassians are both from TNG, and the Borg are very well known in casual fan circles. The Cardassians are also surprisingly well known.
The advertising for the show emphasizes a going back to the basics of TOS, implying that they don't want to build on DS9/VOY. Both figuratively (they don't want to use too many characters/races, from them), and literally (the show takes place before them)... The creators always emphasise the Kirk/Spock/Bones dynamic, not the Picard/Data/whomever dynamic...and going for new fans before pleasing existing ones. In addition, they emphasise going back to TOS, NOT TNG.
It wouldn't make sense to try to attract a new audience, and then reveal a villain that only fans of TNG/DS9/VOY would recognise. Imagine the letdown for both new fans: *Dramatic scene* A curtain drops, and Archer confronts....*gasp*..this guy you've never heard of....
...while the hardcore Trek fans besides them go: "Awww, man...first they re-use the Ferengi and come up with a lame excuse why the Federation never saw them, and now they need a lame excuse for him too, bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, whine."
Such a let-down would be bad for both demographics, and pleases no one.
By a similar notion, it probably won't be the Borg, although we can also factor in their over-use in Voyager, the main reason is such a revelation would be a massive creative cop-out. (see ST8: First Contact, Endgame, etc)
I still contend that Enterprise will be self-contained in relation to other ST series, and that we already have been introduced to FutureGuy or will be.
(Note, if we ever get introduced to Cardassians or the Borg in Enterprise itself, then all bets are off )
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Cardassians are not only a possibility for Enterprise guest stardom (first contact with the Cardassians being mentioned nowhere), they are one I personally think would be quite interesting, as Cardassia might very well be pre-junta at the time.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
And Marc Alaimo can return!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'd like to see that, though not necessarily as a Cardassian. The part of me that goes for cheap irony (and it is a large part) thinks that Alaimo would make a perfect Vulcan diplomat assigned to handle the Andorian issue...
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think the Carassians would be an extreme stretch. The Cardassian Union is apparently very close to Bajor, and Bajor is supposedly on the fringes of Federation territory in the 24th century. It would seem to be highly unlikely that two races so early in their developments of deep space exploration would bump into one another over such a great distance.
Mucus: your analysis of the letdowns for both fan groups is pretty good, and I hadn't thought of it that way before. I'm now thinking it will end up being someone we haven't been introduced to yet, but will be sometime soon. On the other hand, the fact that using someone from TNG would be a let down to everyone might be a reason for us to prepare ourselves for that storyline being used Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
It's pretty much been established that Bajor is roughly 50 lightyears from Earth... given that Enterprise has (miraculously) managed to cover twice that distance in less than a year, "we" might very well bump into them a bit further down the road Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Besides, Starfleet managed to completely miss the Ferengi (officially) until Picard found them, despite the fact that they'd been running all over the alpha quadrant for at least as long as DS9/Terok Nor had been around (and even longer, according to Enterprise).
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'd also love to see Marc Alaimo come back -- a Vulcan would be interesting, and would also be a vastly different character (most likely) compared to Gul Dukat. That would be fun to watch.
And if Alaimo's Vulcan diplomat was assigned to negotiations with Shran's Andorian faction... well, that would be a great treat for us DS9 fans! (I always LOVED the Dukat/Weyoun dynamic of DS9's war arc.)
However, I doubt that TPTB would end up bringing in the Cardassians to ENT. I may be off-track here, but Berman and Braga may perceive the Ferengi as a "favorite" alien race, or just enjoy that race themselves for whatever reason. But I don't see much of a reason for them to want to bring in Cardassians. (But then, I wouldn't have seen a reason why they would've wanted the FERENGI of all races!)
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, technically, they didn't miss them, they just never knew what they looked like. They'd had contact with them before Picard met up with them, they'd even fought skirmishes (the Battle of Maxia)... Humans just never knew who the big-earred little dudes were that boarded the NX-01.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
I'm hoping they resurrect the Tellarites like they did the Andorians. They've already mentioned them once (in "Civilization", IIRC). Some of the obscure Federation races from the movies would be cool too, though they are perhaps a bit too obscure. There's also a chance we see some Bolians, as they were mentioned by the Ferengi.
I heard some rumours that They actually had thought about bringing back the Gorn, but after reviewing they decided that Kirk made first contact in "Arena". Too bad, because they could've been very cool.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Regardless of how far away Cardassia may be, we know that a Cardassian exile spent time on Vulcan "centuries ago." So it seems to me quite possible to have a few Cardassians show up somewhere.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmmm... I vaguely remember that. What episode was it mentioned in?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Hmm... I don't remember the specific episode either, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the fourth or fifth season. That would actually be kinda interesting in a weird sort of way -- a Cardassian exile on Vulcan.
And there might even be an excuse for it -- considering that some individuals might take it upon themselves to travel further on a one-way trip than some government-sponsored exploration/expansion vessels would travel, since they have to make a return trip and rely more on refueling/resupply stops. And so it MIGHT be feasible to have an individual or a small group travel much further than their actual government's sphere of influence has expanded. (For example, Enterprise itself. Most aliens they've encountered have never heard of Humans yet.)
Actually, that would actually make for an INTERESTING "Enterprise" plot -- if the crew of the NX-01 discovered that they WEREN'T the first/only Humans to make it this far into deep space.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Crackpot Theory #2:
The Captain's name is Archer.
Good Futureguy's name is Daniels.
therefore...
Evil Futureguy's name must be Midland.
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
the most similar time-travel villain conundrum was the Legion of Super-Heroes / Time Trapper deal DC Comics ran.. i would be surprised if Enterprise ran the same way, but the payoff was a good one, if mishandled at the end.
The Legion of Super-Heroes lived in the 30th century and time-travel was possible, they often found themselves going back to the 1960s to chill with Superboy. The Time Trapper first appeared in 1964 in Adventure Comics #321. He was an ambiguous time-traveling villain who wore a purple cloak and had bandaged hands. He would often be involved in complicated plots, sometimes trying to destroy the Legion, and sometimes avoiding their destruction as he pursued as yet untold goals. For the next 30 or so years he pursued the Legion in odd encounters, until the timeline was fractured in Zero Hour and their entire epoch ceased to exist, retroactively, because of changes made in the past. Some of the things he did were 1) enact a time-travel barrier that prevented the Legion from visiting Superboy anymore 2) abort the existence of Superboy during the Crisis, meaning that in the new reformed timeline, Clark Kent never gained powers until he was almost an adult. and 3) create a duplicate group of Legionnaires that were exact duplicates of the original, aged Legion, extracted from the past of an alternate timeline.
In the end, it was revealed that he was Cosmic Boy, the leader of the Legion, and his actions ensured that, after the universe was destroyed and reformed by Parallax, the Legion would indeed exist again in the new version rather than be completely aborted. And they dragged it out for 31 yers.. pretty cool if Enterprise could pull something like that, but I doubt they have the imagination or the inclination.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Ha. Farm humor. Very nice.
The instance in question was mention in DS9 S3 "Destiny," 2371. Cardassian serial poet Iloja of Prim spent time on Vulcan while in exile "centuries ago." Dax impressed Gilora Rejal & Ulani Belor by telling them that she had met Iloja during is stay; at the time, it was Tobin Dax, the second host. Apparently he (Iloja, not Tobin) had quite a temper.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Incidently, this is why I'd like to see Enterprise meet the Trill, as well.
Or, rather, why I think the Trill would be a good candidate for an appearance, aside from whether I want them to or not. Though I do. But that's because I want everything. Now.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
So both the Trill and the Cardassians have had early contact with the Vulcans.
From Startrek.com: "Serialist poet from the Cardassian First Republic, late 21st or early 22nd century. Iloja lived in exile for a time on planet Vulcan. Tobin Dax met him while on Vulcan, and got the impression that the poet had quite a temper. Tobin became interested in Cardassian literature after that meeting, and Iloja of Prim remained Dax's favorite Cardassian writer in subsequent joined lives"
So, at the time of ENT, there is a chance that there actually IS a Cardassian (or a group of them) on Vulcan.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Maybe we'll even get to run into one of the Dax hosts...
Now that would actually be kind of cool... as long as he wasn't a regular character or anything...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It would have to be the first host, Lela. It was said that she did her first stint as a field docent in 2171.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I really wish that Pocket Books would let Okuda publish a fully up-to-date Encyclopedia. It would be helpful to have something that I know has all the proper information through the end of Voyager...
According to the Encyclopedia, Third Edition, the Dax Symbiont was born in 2018. (Dax said that the symbiont was 356 years old in "You Are Cordially Invited...") Audrid, the fourth host, died in 2284. That makes an average of 66 years joined for each of the first four hosts. (Obviously averages aren't totally reliable, because Torias Dax was joined for less than a year.)
Anyway, the only "reasonable" candidate for a host at the time of "Enterprise" is Tobin Dax. Emony Dax (the third host) was on Earth circa 2245 when she met McCoy in his college years. Therefore, she's not a viable candidate unless she was over 120 years old at that point -- assuming she was a young woman in the time of the NX-01. Lela Dax (the first host) is likewise ruled out because she'd have to be 150+ years old by 2151. So Tobin Dax it is!
quote:Dax, Tobin. Second host to the Dax symbiont. ("Invasive Procedures" [DS9]) Tobin Dax had a child named Raifi, who caused Tobin some difficulty over the years. ("Nor the Battle to the Strong" [DS9]) Though Tobin was socially inept and unimaginative (at least according to Jadzia), he was renowned for his knowledge of phase coil inverters. ("The Siege" [DS9]) Tobin was the only Dax host to try his hand at botany, but didn't have much success. ("The Wire" [DS9]) While on Vulcan, Tobin Dax met noted Cardassian poet Iloga of Prim. ("Destiny" [DS9]) Tobin used to dabble in sleight-of-hand magic. ("Rejoined" [DS9]) Prior to his death, Tobin worked on a new proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. ("Facets" [DS9]) Source: "The Star Trek Encyclopedia, Third Edition"
Although there's really not many relevant details, Tobin seems to fit almost perfectly into the ENT timeline here. The contact with the Vulcans and Fermat's Last Theorem especially would work as clues that there was some level of contact between Trill and Earth in this era. Heck, the Trill could end up being one of the founding members of the Federation!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I think meeting Dax would be a bit much.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
How can you be sure Lela took on the symbiont in 2018? They've never said how long the symbionts live between birth and first symbiosis. For all we know, Dax was still living in one of those underground pools on Trill in the 2150s.
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
But then there wouldn't be much time left for the three hosts before 2245. And because there are more Trill wannabe-hosts than symbionts, they probably get joined quite early. Perhaps the only way for a symbiont to really mature is to be actually joined. You hardly learn anything from lying around in a puddle of goo.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, the symbionts can communicate with one another in those puddles, so I would imagine there's a "growing up" period for the symbionts after they're born. We did see quite a few of them in the pools in the the couple of episodes that dealt with that location.
Meeting Tobin wouldn't throw me too much, as long as they didn't try to make him pop up all the time as a constant connection to DS9. Rescuing a Vulcan ship with him on board wouldn't be bad though.
As for the Trill helping to found the Federation... that would throw me. They knew FAR too little about them in "The Host" TNG for them to be that important to Federation / Earth events that early on.
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
Crackpot theory #3:
Maybe Shatner has really, finally, actually gonna try and insert Kirk back in the trek timeline...
Kirk is EvilFutureGuy, and in the end he wins, thats why TOS looks less advanced than ENT, coz of something Kirk did in the future/past watever.
and then kirk made himself captain of enterprise!
.... wouldnt that be a scary realisation of events?? :S
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Magenta Aban Rune: As for the Trill helping to found the Federation... that would throw me. They knew FAR too little about them in "The Host" TNG for them to be that important to Federation / Earth events that early on.
They know far too little abuot them in "The Host" for DS9 to make any sense. Odan can't use a transporter! But Dax can. No-one knows about the whole joining thing! But Sisko does, and has for years. The Trill are relatively unknown to the Federation! Curzon was a diplomat and Jadzia is currently at Starfleet academy. The symbiant completely dominates the hosts personality! No, it's a mixing.
Weighing up the Trill of "The Host", and the Trill we've seen since then, "The Host" comes across as the delirious ramblings of a madman. It should be ignored at all costs.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Psy: You're probably right Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
FS: Erm... What about that whole bit in ST7 where he, you know, died...?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That never stopped Spock...or Harry, Neelix, Tasha Yar, Dukat and Scotty.
On the other hand it did stop all those hundreds of redshirts.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
If only the Reeves-Stevenses had said that when he asked them to write his book for him.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
What really destroyed the Federation of the future was not the Temporal Cold War or FutureGuy, but rather terrible fashion sense of the era, as reflected in Daniel's hair style and clothing. Though the time portals that allow physical travel into the past were destroyed, Daniels and Captain Archer managed to salvage enough technology to build a crude time machine. Dubbed the "Quantum Accelerator", it allows for Captain Archer's consciousness to leap back into the 22nd Century, and into the body of a fashion consultant experiencing midlife crisis. While Archer attempts to fix the man's life, namely getting himself tied up and beaten silly, the fashion consultant, using the Captain's body, manage to restore the future Federation into its former groovy glory, one haircut and suit at a time.
And the day is saved, thanks to: The Power Puff Girls!
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
is Archer sentenced to continue leaping from life to life in the 22nd century with only a hologram of Admiral Forrest to guide him? (the technology for making holograms having been recently acquired from the Xyrillians)
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Why does this plot line sound familiar to me? Seems like Scott Bakula had done this before....
I'm actually very scared that something like this will happen. It almost did in the finale when Archer "leaped" into himself in the past. I was worried for a minute.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
As for the Doctor not knowing what a Trill is, there is an explanation Beverley is a moron. There's six seasons and three movies of documentation to back this up. My favorite "stupid beverley moment" is when Picard is borgified and trying to communicate with Data. Picard: "Sleep...Data...sleep.." Her stupid line: "He's exausted!" Emotions or no, Data should have smacked her.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm going to have to agree with you there.
Of course, Odan was hardly the brightest bulb in the box. He didn't think he could be transported, which was obviously him just being a silly billy. And his/her final host looked like a Psychology student on an early Sunday morning.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
Beverly.
exhausted.
She must be stupid. When she talks everything's spelled wrong!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
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(I always LOVED the Dukat/Weyoun dynamic of DS9's war arc.)![[Razz]](tongue.gif)