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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
According to this article, we'll finally see a J-class vessel, the E.C.S. Horizon.

Sorry, PsyLiam.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
For, er, what?
 

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
For mentioning the J-class.
 

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
I think we have already seen a *perfect* candidate for this ship class: the alien freighter from "Precious Cargo". Only the nacelles had the wrong color. IMHO there's no need to build another model, except that Starfleet obviously didn't yet know these aliens, and it would seem unlikely that they flew a human Warp-2 ship.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
And why do you feel this way?
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 

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Originally posted by Bernd:
I think we have already seen a *perfect* candidate for this ship class: the alien freighter from "Precious Cargo". Only the nacelles had the wrong color. IMHO there's no need to build another model, except that Starfleet obviously didn't yet know these aliens, and it would seem unlikely that they flew a human Warp-2 ship.

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I think it's time to resuscitate a clich�.

The "fuck?"

Who are you, and what have you done with the old Bernd?
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Most likely the J-class would be a smaller (possibly meaning shorter) version of the Y-class.
 

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Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
 
From memory, the J Class was described as a smaller version of the Y Class seen in the "Fortunate".

[A very small trivia note, of no value at all. There was a ship named Horizon which operated on the Liverpool to New York route in 1850.]
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
And more trivia: Mudd had an old J class ship. And IIRC, a malfunctioning baffle plate on a J class ship caused Pike's injuries. *Blip!*
 

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
There's an interesting coincidence. According to the novel "Dwellers in the Crucible", Admiral Nogura (mentioned in TMP) commanded the J-class vessel USS Horizon.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Why do I hate people saying "J-class" again? I've forgotten.
 

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
Maybe that helps: http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002046;p=4#000045
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
I think what Bernd was trying to say was that they could have saved the alien cargo ship CGI model to have it represent the J-Class, since it looked somewhat similar to the Fortunate, and instead used a more alien-looking design for the Retellian's ship. But we've already had this discussion.

My two cents: Since the 22nd century according to B&B seems to establish that Starfleet has very few ships right now, perhaps when the Federation is formed, all of the J, Y, NX, Q, P, etc. human ships will be integrated into the Fed Starfleet. Perhaps Mayweather's ship will even be the vessel which makes contact with the Iotians...
 

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 

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Perhaps Mayweather's ship will even be the vessel which makes contact with the Iotians...

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In that case, Sisko's desktop model wasn't the ship from TOS.

Moreover, it would contradict the Horizon's Encyclopedia entry. I think I like the idea.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
That would be the assumption, yes, because we all know how canon desktop models are.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 

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Originally posted by Dukhat:
....Perhaps Mayweather's ship will even be the vessel which makes contact with the Iotians...

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Iotia was 100 light years beyond the federation of 100 years in the future. If the ECS Horizon tops out at Warp 2 that would take them, hmm...like a long ass time to get there.

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It was implied in "Fortunate Son" that Earth freighters would probably receive warp engine upgrades to be able to travel faster that the usual warp two. So no, it isn't silly at all.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Uh...I'm fairly sure that the Horizon from "A Piece Of The Action" (TOS) was fairly heavily implied to have been a Starfleet vessel in the episode, Daedalus-class issues aside.

And I think it would be quite silly indeed to have a Vega-Draylax cargo freighter "discover" Iotia.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
Too bad the Sci-Fi channel doesnt air Star Trek anymore so we could see what the exact text was regarding the Horizon, as far as confirming that a freighter making first contact with a planet such as Iotia. I think that it being implied that 100 light years beyond the Federation border is where the Horizon discovered Iotia means that this was a deep space exploration going on here, and again not a freight run and yeah yeah, Im stating the obvious, but really, wouldnt it be nice to see the infamous Daedalus class starship prior to the end of the Enterprise series? Hell, SEEING ANY OTHER Starfleet ship of the era would be relatively refreshing to the Starship list fetish ppl
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 

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And I think it would be quite silly indeed to have a Vega-Draylax cargo freighter "discover" Iotia.

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Too bad the Sci-Fi channel doesnt air Star Trek anymore

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And I think it would be quite silly indeed to have a Vega-Draylax cargo freighter "discover" Iotia.

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Unless, of course, the Horizon was given both a refit AND a new mission purpose other than hauling cargo once it was integrated into the Federation Starfleet, if that were to happen at all.

In all honestly, no, I don't think that Mayweather's ship was the same vessel mentioned in "A Piece of the Action." But is it a possibility? Maybe, if you tend to think like B&B do.

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I see where you're coming from, but why would a privately-owned and operated freighter (as I think the E.C.S. Horizon has been implied to be) be "integrated" into Starfleet?
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 

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I see where you're coming from, but why would a privately-owned and operated freighter (as I think the E.C.S. Horizon has been implied to be) be "integrated" into Starfleet? [/QB]

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