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Posted by Alshrim (Member # 258) on :
 
Anyone who doesn't think this episode was incredible ... is crazy!

The format was amazing - i loved the prologue .. the music and the mood of the entire ep was incredible! Lots of action - Reed shows up another MACO... Great FX - the asteroid field ROCKED!!!

I Loved the scene as the Enterprise approaches the Field ... very high view ... awesome!!!

I just loved it.. and to see T'Pol loose it was a bonus !!

And who can dislike Vulcan zombies... c'mon hahaha..

I really liked this episode - it's one of my faves...

Cheers...
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Originally posted by Alshrim:
Anyone who doesn't think this episode was incredible ... is crazy!

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That had to qualify as the single most story free episode of any Star Trek I've ever seen.

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You must have missed most of TNG's second and seventh season, TOS's final few episodes and all of Voyager....

The Ep had LOTS of good plot points: the missing Vulcan ship mentioned last season, the mystery of the crazy Vulcans (again from last season), the search for Trellium D (from the past four episodes!) and good character development for both Archer and Trip.
Trip's really come into his own with decisive command decisions lately.

And Mayweather is both useful and believable.
Far more so than say, Geordi.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I like the fact that they cut off in the middle of the "T'Pol is going crazy" storyline at the end, but didn't resort to saying "To be continued...". Adding those words would have made it seem like they were saying "Yeah, we're continuing a story over multiple episodes, but that's a very rare thing, so we need to point it out.". Perhaps they really are getting into an arc format, like they suggested.

One thing that kind of confused me, though: When T'Pol wakes up at the end, had she really collapsed on her way to the bridge from the movie? Or had she dreamed the whole thing, and she'd been in sickbay ever since returning from the ship? After all, Tucker was going to show a Hope/Crosby comedy, not a mystery. Also, if T'Pol had collapsed again, why would Phlox have stripped her, but her in a bed under the covers, and then started shaking her and saying "T'Pol! T'Pol!"? But, if she dreamed it all, then did she really have a lucid conversation with Archer, or did she dream that, too? And, finally, just where does the scene from the beginning of the episode fit in?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
It's only odd that Phlox is right fucking there when T'Pol's sleeping.
Mabye he really should have spent more time with his wife during her visit last season....
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
I believe the scene from the trailer fits in right after the shuttlepods leaving the Seleya.
 

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
I think she dreamed the whole thing - because she and trip were supposed to go to the movie together... anyone else getting the feeling that there will be a 'close friendship' between those two because of the time they are spending together -- Like a "Picard/Beverly" kinda relationship?

And I agree... the Prologue where they show T'Pol nuts .. and then pop back a day earlier was brilliant ! I loved it..
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
I think the prologue (medicating T'Pol) takes place at the end, then they have the story, then she's dreaming the whole epilogue. It was a little strange seeing them have to medicate T'Pol, then almost immediately seeing her walk into the room, with no mention of her condition.
 

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
There is a mention actually, right after they medicate her, that what will be taking place for the rest of the episode, happened a day earlier!

That's what i liked about the format of the episode. It had an almost, movie feel to it.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"...she and trip were supposed to go to the movie together..."

I don't think that's necessarily true. He was just telling her to be there. I'm sure he told a lot of people the same thing.
 

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
Yes.. but it could have been implied either way... IMO - i think it shows that they are getting closer!

Not that they are gonna 'bump uglies' .. just that they are forming a close relationship - that is... closer than others.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 

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Originally posted by Alshrim Dax:
There is a mention actually, right after they medicate her, that what will be taking place for the rest of the episode, happened a day earlier!

That's what i liked about the format of the episode. It had an almost, movie feel to it.

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Actually the whole teaser and first few minutes following the theme confused the hell out of me.
First T'pol is going crazy in sickbay...enter theme song...commercials....then she is still crazy when we come back...they put her out and then we are in the tactical room-whatever looking at Xindi maps and then T'pol walks in?!?!...where all is evidently well...and then in the end she is crazy again. There was no log, implication, suggestion nor any other indication that what we were now watching was happening BEFORE the first 3 minutes of the show. Oy!


Anyone got a better grasp on that? Any other Trek episode featuring a 'flashback' would have somehow indicated it by either overlaying a stardate/calender date on the screen, by a ships log or like the way they did in "First Flight" and the Sputnik one...
 

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
Yes there was, FG.. *nods* there was a "One Day Earlier..." caption right right after T'Pol was medicated ... I'll see if I can get a screen-cap.

And if you missed it, i can see how you can get confoozled!
 

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Posted by leuckinc (Member # 729) on :
 
Well after the into it did say "1 day before"... And the crazyness at the end was a dream...
 

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
Ya.. I think so too !! I think she's still in the Bio-Bed-Chamber thingy at that point!
 

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
Ok... i managed to get some screen-caps..

It's starts out with T'Pol loosing it in the Prologue... and continues for a little bit after the creds.. until T'pol is sedated..



Then comes the caption:



then we see Trip, Archer and T'Pol together the day previous!


 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
In case you missed it in the tech thread: (More) screenshots

And not to completely waste this post, I'd just like to mention that Miss Blalock put on a very good performance.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Well, I really liked this episode, though the Vulcans were kind of wasted. That is to say, surely a trained Vulcan crew would have tried to leave some record of what happened behind. Though, on the other hand, I suppose finding the diary/log/last will and testament of some dead (or zombiefied) people is rather a cliche.

And I thought Mayweather might as well have not even shown up for work this day. There's a shuttle mission to a drifting ship in the middle of a dangerous debris field, and Mayweather doesn't go because he's...needed to operated the transporter? Huh?

Plus, what happened to that Suliban ship? I mean, it makes sense to leave it on Earth, where it can be studied, but we didn't get any mention of that. For that matter, I'm kind of disappointed that the commandos didn't bring some sort of landing craft of their own.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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And I thought Mayweather might as well have not even shown up for work this day. There's a shuttle mission to a drifting ship in the middle of a dangerous debris field, and Mayweather doesn't go because he's...needed to operated the transporter? Huh?

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Originally posted by Alshrim Dax:
Yes.. but it could have been implied either way... IMO - i think it shows that they are getting closer!

Not that they are gonna 'bump uglies' .. just that they are forming a close relationship - that is... closer than others.

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i think at this point, the way ENT treats sexiness in general, it would be an incredibly fascinating chain of events for them to fuck around, and then have it not work out and milk the remaining four years worth of awkwardness and wierd sexual situations and such.. i mean, everyone said that TOS and TNG could have used more relationship stuff, like the people that would continuously shout 'more Picard/Crusher' or 'more Riker/Troi' etc, but the producers were reticient about dealing with the consequences of their main characters becoming attached in a long term relationship, since it would eliminate lots of 'one shot' romances that Kirk and Riker cashed in on so often

by DS9 and VGR they said, let's be realistic, relationships happen, so they started all the Sisko-Kasidy Worf-Dax Kira-Odo Torres-Paris relationships, with mixed results..

the next step, which would fit in with ENTs modern approach would be to show a relationship that just failed completely and created all sorts of real life problems like jealousy, complicated alien sex issues and all sorts of other tension between the participants, that would be palatable to viewers if they did it as an arc, rather as an episode focus (relationship episodes kinda do suck).. this would add a whole new dynamic to T'Pol and Trip if they continued their Spock-McCoy style antagonism of each other, except from the point of view of being each other's ex.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I can just see it now. They'll argue, then Trip will sleep with Hoshi, and say that he was allowed to because "They were on a break".

HILARITY WILL ENSUE!
 

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Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
 
i didnt mean anything so asinine, although the plot you suggest would represent a considerable jump in the show's maturity
 

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Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
 
I believe that Berman and Braga need to realize that 'more relationship' plots don't necessarily involve shots of half naked chars rubbing gel into each other or rubbing each other...

Think Sisko&Kassidy relationship. Think Paris&B'elanna relationship. It took them, what, whole season to admit that they are in love?

Now thats what I call a relationship arc.
 

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
No, think Sheridan & Delenn. THAT is a relationship arc. B)
 

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Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
 
That's no relationship arc: It's a space station!
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cartman:
No, think Sheridan & Delenn. THAT is a relationship arc. B)

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Please.
I've seen more believable dialogue on the cover of my mom's harlequin romance novels.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 

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Please.
I've seen more believable dialogue on the cover of my mom's harlequin romance novels.

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