A 12-episode season... puh. If it's only given 12 episodes for the 4th season, A) many of the lead actors will likely walk, and B) there will be no 5th season.
I'm not sure I believe that anyway... if the network doesn't think it can make one of its lead shows work for a full season, I doubt they'd renew it at all.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Especially considering the high cost per episode...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Question - what would everyone want back...
Season 4 Enterprise or Season 6 Angel?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I've never watched Angel. So, Enterprise.
Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Decisions, decisions. I would want Angel back as well.
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Never watch angel and I actually like Enterprise so.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well I want both. Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Morvo would rather see more & new Futurama, pathetic Humans!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Linda: hahahaha.
OMG AGREED J! LOL!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Did I hear my name......
Amen to that!
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Looks like Shatner has a 2-parter in mind, for Kirk on Enterprise, suggesting it lasts and gets past a whole lot of red tape, I'm sure.
Seems too, that Trinner or whatever, and Bakula (re: the interview post ) both seem to be a little bitter about the shows lack of promotion on UPN.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:At Grand Slam, Dominic Keating (Reed), Anthony Montgomery (Mayweather) and Connor Trinneer (Tucker) remained optimistic, though Keating claimed that The Dead Zone's Anthony Michael Hall had told him, "Get away from me, you stink of cancellation!"
Anthony Michael Hall?? Does his show even still get made? Hello - talk about 'dead-in-the-water-actor' for nigh on 20 years.
Ironic how Enterprise has produced some of the best Trek since season 6 Deep Space Nine - that there is NOW talk of cancellation - when something like Voyager should have shut down at the end of season 5 and Enterprise should never have been made so soon after Voyager's finish.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Had that happened Enterprise would have sucked as much as Voyager.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
It already sucks even more, so I don't see any problems with that Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Had what happened - Enterprise not being made for at least 5 years after Voyager ended?
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Question - what would everyone want back...
Season 4 Enterprise or Season 6 Angel?
Well, im straight, so Enterprise.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Ok, Voyager sucks, Enterprise sucks--- Voyager sucks because of it's storylines more than anything else.... do you think they would just let those plots and ideas sit on a shelf while they are filming Enterprise?
< bender >Hell no < morvo >you pathetic humans
We'd have a giant dream inducing bug swallow Enterprise, an alien "fight club" arena, think tank [wait a second... that reminds me... in that episode there was a giant aquatic something wasn't there?]-- do I need to continue?
If Voyager ended early, Enterprise would be increasingly worse because of the transfer of plots.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
You speak like they had a big Barrel o' Plots out of which they pulled a story each week. And that all the plots for the whole seven years were in there from the get-go. Had VOY ended early, it would have been because the people in charge of the studio realized that it sucked. And, if they had realized that, and then proceeded to make a fifth series, anyway, they surely wouldn't have put it in the hands of the people they'd just fired for making crappy VOY episodes.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
But they did... save no one realized that Voyager sucked and after 7 years the same guys were allowed to go on to series 5.
And I still think they have a Barrel o' Plots, kinda like a bingo machine, and they've also put plots back inside of it.
All I'm saying is that as gut wrenching as Voyager was concerning it's plots, had they been done for the first time on Enterprise it would have sent most of us to an early grave. Enterprise is no where near as advanced or experienced as Voyager and the belief that our "beloved" crew could actually have gotten through some of those things would have been blasted to pieces because of the weakness of such plot twists [that each time, as if by a miracle, they learn how to get out of something they've never encountered before (it worked in TOS, but won't do well in 2004)].
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wes1701J: Well, im straight, so Enterprise.
Are you saying that you're gay?
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Do we, today, have a trek-like show that isn't written via the Barrel o' Plots? If so I've not found it.
It isn't that the trek writers are "bad" by TV standards - I think they're average, which is far worse for the fate of Sci-Fi on TV.
Posted by Boult (Member # 1269) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Question - what would everyone want back...
Season 4 Enterprise or Season 6 Angel?
never watched Angel but seen it when channel surfing.. ugh... but wants Enterprise! even Futurama! too (although Futurama can be still seen on cable channel, TOON network at late night... even though, they are reruns or syndicated.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Yes, thank you.... Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well...they somehow went back in time or some fuckin' thing.
Man, what uis with B&B needing to dress up lame-ass aliens as Nazi SS officers?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Its a fetish...aliens in uniform.
You mean you don't get off to it too?
Nevertheless, this will be the best cliffhanger ever if they can pull it off! Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
aye.. or at least make it work.. How you gonna explain that the master race has an alien officer?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You mean "Master Species", right?
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
At this point I have to say I don't care. Enterprise should have been a mixture of The Right Stuff and the original series. Boldly going and new stuff and the adventure and danger of what is new.... that and laying the groundwork for the Federation.
And since Berman and Bragga TOTALLY screwed it up (I mean it was SO OBVIOUS) I really don't care.
And what IS it with Berman and time travel, really? It's like he has some sort of perverse thing for it. Disturbing really. He should get help. There's got to be some sort of twelve-step program for that.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Ya know, I've gotta ask. If you really don't care because it's been so screwed up, then why do you bother coming here to read/post?
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Dat:
For two reasons...
1. Because I have a deep love for the franchise in spite of its flaws.
2. I hope that somehow the poor reviews get through Berman's George Lucas-like delusions that he can do no wrong and the series can be saved through him gracefully bowing out and letting some person with talent and originality take creative control of the franchise.
That's why I posted. Forums are for intelligent discourse and debate... at least that's what I thought.
Besides, I thought my "Berman as obsessive pervert" joke was at least vaguely funny.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Oh... that and the second-unit stuff totally rocks. The cgi guys and girls are having too much fun. That's a lot of fun to watch.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Forums are for intelligent discourse and debate..."
Then why not try it sometime, rather than interrupting other conversations with "I HATE ENTERPRIZE BERMANN AND BRAGGA ARE TEH SUXX0R!"?
By the way, there's a lot of time travel in the show because the entire premise of the series is that the ship is involved in a war being fought by way of... wait for it... TIME TRAVEL.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Generations was about (wait for it) TIME TRAVEL. First Contact was about (wait for it) TIME TRAVEL. A great many Voyager episodes were about (wait for it) TIME TRAVEL. Enterprise is about (wait for it) TIME TRAVEL.
Why is it so bad to crave something new, guys and gals?
Not that the whole series sucks. There are episodes that are worth watching. I really liked "First Flight" and a bunch of others. But they had nothing to do with (wait for it) TIME TRAVEL.
I happen to really like the characters (well, the ones they've bothered to explore). Surprisingly my favorites are Phlox and Tucker. I was actually in your camp for a while there, TSN. I certainly don't think that Berman hates Trek like some folks I know. I just feel the way I feel and I respect that you feel the way you feel.
I promise this will be the only anti-Berman rant I'll ever do. Just had to get it off of my chest. I'm happy to enjoy everyone's comments no matter what they are. I enjoy the forum and hope that attacks are not the norm for people who just want to be honest about their opinions.
Now let's have a group hug amongst folks that just like Trek for the hopeful future and very, very cool tech stuff.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
Generations wasnt ABOUT time travel. 6 out of 172 episodes is 'a great many?'
Enterprise is a series were there is a great arc that includes a temporal cold war. Time travel is incredibly interesting to me and many other Star Trek fans, and I hope they invlolve the Temporal Cold War heavily in the next season.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Ahem... and to repeat:
"I promise this will be the only anti-Berman rant I'll ever do. Just had to get it off of my chest. I'm happy to enjoy everyone's comments no matter what they are. I enjoy the forum and hope that attacks are not the norm for people who just want to be honest about their opinions."
I'm very happy that you'll enjoy the continuation of the temporal cold war. Truly.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Why is it everyone always ignores the good stuff in posts?
I said a lot of nice things about it. Like I said: I love the Trek franchise. I will very likely continue to watch Enterprise. As I said... just venting.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Sorry if I offended anyone.
Sigh.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Why is it so bad to crave something new, guys and gals?"
It's not your craving that's bad, it's your delivery of it. Going off on this diatribe (honest opinion or not) about how B&B have anally raped a plot device that some of Trek's finest hours have been centered around (coincidentally or not), in the middle of a thread in the middle of a forum devoted to a SERIES that is ALSO centered around said device (like it or not), just won't win you any sympathy votes, that's all.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
japol...you do realize you can edit your posts rather than slamming down 2 more in a row in a 3 minute timeframe? It is rather annoying.
Anyway, you do also realize that there are 4 episodes in TOS that specifically deal with time travel and several others that deal with similiar ideas without actually using time travel? That accounts for 5% of the Original Series, not counting The Voyage Home (or TAS) - in fact, it was utilized almost as a novelty, much less a plot device.
Using that logic, shouldn't we say Roddenberry was 'obsessed' with it, when there was so much time travel in a series whose premise wasn't about time travel? Nearly the same could be said with TNG & DS9.
I look at time travel in Enterprise no differently then I looked at Prophet interference in DS9. I thought it was a damn annoying, but that is what the premise of DS9 was about. In the end, it all served its part of the whole, and depending on how well the rest of Enterprise plays out, I think the same will apply here.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
About the editing function: Thank you... I actually had no idea.
I look forward to seeing how this storyline is resolved as well... Look: I'm really not trying to piss anyone off here. I am a HUGE Trek fan. I didn't intend to set off this huge argument.
Just because I don't particularly like where the producers took the story doesn't mean that I don't appreciate that others do. Seriously folks... don't you figure that it is time to stop with the japol-bashing? It is just an opinion... I didn't realize that I had stated it in an offensive way. If it was taken that way I apologize. That was not my intention by any stretch of the imagination.
And anyway, I'm not the only one in this thread to voice my opinion on it in a way that was contrary to what many of you seem to feel. I was not trying to attack anyone's feelings. It went from me just trying to get a few things off of my chest to attacks against me personally... that seems to me to be just... well... shameful behavior. I have apologized for my apparent tone, I have apologized for upsetting anyone's feelings and I have apologized for my personal feelings about the direction of a franchise that is important to me. I'm not sure there is more I can apologize for. Now if that isn't enough for you folks, then that's just going to be the way it is. I always thought Trek fans were open-minded, which seems to me to be what a lot of the storylines in the past have been about. Now if you aren't open to other opinions... well... I really don't know what else I can do for you.
By the way: I'd NEVER use a rape analogy. I certainly don't feel THAT strongly about it... not about a TV show. I know you were being figurative, but it bugged me a little to have that sentiment attributed to me. I know that wasn't personal.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, I really do think it's time to stop with this bashing. But allow me to say a few things.
Yes, there are some who dislike B&B for what they have done to the franchise, but we don't bash them about their use of time travel in this particular forum on Enterprise. When we do bash on Enterprise, it's usually on something else with the show. We don't do it in the middle of someone's thread unless it is warranted, like they were already talking about it or something similar. We'll just start a new thread on bashing them if need be. If we must bash on the perhaps-extensive use on time travel, we don't solely focus it on Enterprise and we probably would not do it in this forum. Most likely, it would be Trek as a whole, not limited to B&B, and discussed about in the General Trek forum.
Japol, your faults on why you were wrong have already been discussed. I hope you have learned from this lesson, as has all of us. This, I hope, should be the end of this matter.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Japol, nobody is attacking you personally. Not even me. B) It's just that rants of any kind aren't met with too much enthusiasm here. You don't like time-travel and think it's a worn-out device, that's absolutely fine. You ventilate that thought by slamming B&B (even if you did it in a fairly civil tone), that's, uh, the opposite of fine. So, coarse. But enough of that. Have a beer. B)
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
mmm... beer... ggguuuuaaahhggg
(how DO you spell that sound, anyway?)
Thanks, Cartman.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
"I'd say... transcendent!"
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Okay, there's just one thing I need to address. Generations didn't even have any time travel in it, did it? All I can think of is the fact that Kirk showed up in the late twenty-third century, but that was no more "time travel" than Scotty in "Relics".
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The big controversy about the movie was the very time-travelish fact that Picard got a second chance. He lived the crucial fight with Soran twice, and the second time was the charm. Indeed, the whole movie rotated around choices that could be made again or made differently, and people were left wondering why Picard chose the way he did (and why he didn't for example go back in time far enough to save Rene�, or Tasha Yar, or even Jesus, since he had the power).
That IMHO was a good use of time travel, resulting in a good movie overall. No toying with paradoxes, but rather a "I'll believe one impossible thing before breakfast, now let's get to the philosophical stuff" approach.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
According to Bakula, season 4 will only be 22 episodes. Not sure if that has been discussed around here.
quote: SB: We're guessing mid-July, we're easily three weeks behind last year's schedule because of the late pickup. We'll be shooting 22 episodes, instead of 26. I've been trying since I got on the lot to get us to 22.
The entire "chat" can be found at Star Trek.com. There are a couple other 'nuggets' in there as well, but nothing too earth-shattering.
Posted by Boult (Member # 1269) on :
even though Scott Bakula said in his Finale Chat that he knows none about the plan for Season 4 but Berman said this:
quote:Berman also spoke briefly about the season three finale, "Zero Hour", which airs next Wednesday. He said the episode is "an exciting end" to this season's Xindi-arc, but it won't wrap up all the plot threads in a neat bow. "Let's just say, certain elements of the story are going to be unresolved."
-------------------------------- P.S. Boo TrekWeb...yay Flare! Posted by Boult (Member # 1269) on :
Hehe I know!! I have been looking all over to find the answer on this odd alien! I doubt it is Reman at all no way.. Must be a a Alien that Nazi created.. you know Mutant hmm?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yeah. Must be.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boult: Hehe I know!! I have been looking all over to find the answer on this odd alien! I doubt it is Reman at all no way.. Must be a a Alien that Nazi created.. you know Mutant hmm?
Star Trek meets Castle Wolfenstein?
"This is Major Hayes' replacement, Major Blazkowicz."
Posted by Boult (Member # 1269) on :
quote:Originally posted by machf:
quote:Originally posted by Boult: Hehe I know!! I have been looking all over to find the answer on this odd alien! I doubt it is Reman at all no way.. Must be a a Alien that Nazi created.. you know Mutant hmm?
Star Trek meets Castle Wolfenstein?
"This is Major Hayes' replacement, Major Blazkowicz."
Yeah, that's my thinking heh..
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Major Vanhelsing.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I heard that movie sucked.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Looked like crapola from the trailers so I skipped it. CGI overload.
Not as sucky as Troy though: Paris actually lives at the end of the movie. WTF?
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
And Spoiler.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
ER ...yeah.
Consider it more of a "extreme warning" instead of a "spoiler".
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Hollywood films have never been overly concerned with adhering to established facts (if you can call the story of the siege of Troy a 'fact'), but this summer's films are particularly wide of the mark. The siege of Troy lasted ten years? Bo-ring! About a month should do it. Ice ages don't start overnight? Well, the punters have never seen an ice age start so they won't know the difference!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I like movies that make people mad about things that the people who made the movies cared < 0 about.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So you like almost all Hollywoood movies then?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Ice ages don't start overnight?
I'm still recovering from how bad that movie was.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
But.....it was made by the guys that brought us Independence Day! It had to have been at least as scientifically plausable as, say, The Core.
That was only slightly less plausable than Flash Gordon.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yes, and The Core was only slightly less painful than jabbing urine-dipped needles into my eyes.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Another thing about Troy... I can't believe they killed Menelaus!
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Lee:
quote: The siege of Troy lasted ten years? Bo-ring! About a month should do it.
Originally posted by Topher:
quote: Another thing about Troy... I can't believe they killed Menelaus!
WTF?!?
Why make a movie about the Trojan war if you're not going to make a movie about the Trojan war??? Didn't they learn anything from First Knight?
I was gonna scrape up the $8 to see this, but now I think I'll just go to the library and check out Firebrand instead. It's been a few years since the last time I read it.
Marian
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus: I like movies that make people mad about things that the people who made the movies cared < 0 about.
Obiously a certain amount of dramatic license can be used. I live with medical students, and one of them has an annoying habit of pointing out everytime a TV show or movie gets some medical practise wrong.
But there is a limit before people will be saying "that's just stupid". And an ice-age starting overnight is pretty stupid.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I'm still recovering from how bad that movie was."
So am I, and I've only seen promos for it.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
If you (general) get upset at anything other than the movie's ability to entertain you (general), you (general) should go outside, and find some young lady who is willing to flash you (general).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: Originally posted by Lee:
quote: The siege of Troy lasted ten years? Bo-ring! About a month should do it.
Originally posted by Topher:
quote: Another thing about Troy... I can't believe they killed Menelaus!
WTF?!?
Why make a movie about the Trojan war if you're not going to make a movie about the Trojan war??? Didn't they learn anything from First Knight?
I was gonna scrape up the $8 to see this, but now I think I'll just go to the library and check out Firebrand instead. It's been a few years since the last time I read it.
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