Wtf? I was enjoying the episode until the end with the fighter planes, what appeared to be WW2, the Alien Nazi, etc. I assume some "magical energy" from the Xindi weapon's explosion sent Archer and some aliens back in time, but I still don't get it. Alien Nazi? Huh? Was that alien even a Xindi? I couldn't really tell.
It makes a little sense after reading this. "Hey! I wrapped up the Xindi storyline! Wrap THIS up!" The ending was a big "fuck you" to next season's writers. Yeah, that's it. Yay for time travel episodes. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I'm a bit confused by this post, because many of the details posted here in error were more accurately described in the 'Tech' thread for this topic.
For starters they were WW-2 planes. The 'alien' Nazi was a Reman, or very Remanescent and clearly not a Xindi -- all of which was mentioned in the other thread.
Anyway, my guess would be that the Nazis somehow are aligned with the Remans/Romulans (duh!). There is no indication of what year it was, or that the Nazis rule the world yet but based on the aircraft it would clearly be the 1940s.
And the Xindi, possibly Shran/Andorians and the Enterprise were all thrown back into that era from the weapons detonation likely combined with the Spherebuilders interference.
There really seems to be no other clues for speculation until the premiere in ~4 months.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I noticed some people elsewhere who thought it might be a Reman, too. Others thought it could be the guy who was ordering the Suliban around. I'm going to watch the last few minutes again later and get a better look at him.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Try this:
(I take no credit for this, but am posting it for educational/observational purposes only)
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: Others thought it could be the guy who was ordering the Suliban around.
I doubt it. It's been established that Future Guy cannot travel through time. He can only project his image back in time and give info to his Suliban goons.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Thanks! I can see how people think he might be a Reman other than the ears now.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
What the hell is going on?
Star Trek: Lost in Time
And they killed that young cute MACO guy.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Space Nazis are maybe not the most original plot in the toolkit (Ekos, Hirogen in stylish SS gear, any movie with space dudes in black trenchcoats), but I still think it could be cool, depending on what's done with it. I am not crazy blown away, though. And as neat as having the (well, some) Andorians save the day, a Vulcan ship or two tossed in as well would have been even neater. (They have to start making them sympathetic sometime, you'd think.)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I am not crazy blown away, though."
Well, by what? Nothing's happened yet. I mean, that's like watching TWoK, and saying "yeah, I'm not all that impressed with the whole 'Spock comes back to life' thing".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"I am not crazy blown away, though."
Well, by what? Nothing's happened yet. I mean, that's like watching TWoK, and saying "yeah, I'm not all that impressed with the whole 'Spock comes back to life' thing".
Well, knowing Spok is not really dead really does take the bite from the end of TWOK. Particularly when McCoy says "Y'know, he's note really dead...." I always envision the MST3K gang shouting "We know!".
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
What I mean is, here is this set up for at least some part of season four, and it's like: "Coming up next season...this thing that is not really all that original and is, in fact, kind of tired, because, you know, Nazis? But it ties in well with all this Greatest Generation product, and maybe we can get a shot of Archer in an infantry uniform and do a Band of Brother cross-promotion."
The difference between "Wow, I can't wait to see what they do with that!" and "Huh. Well, I sure hope they can do something with that."
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
yeah....I see your point but recall how terribly lame the Xindi storyline sounded back when we first heard about it. And I think it had some of Trek's best performances in that season, so who can say for certain?
We could all be raving about how cool them Nazi Vampires are by this time next year.
Hmmm....I never thought I have to say that again.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I never said or meant to suggest that we wouldn't be.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
If you think some of Trek's best performances were in this last season you haven't been watching enough Trek or watching it for very long.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Or has a different opinion?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think Enterprise is better so far than TOS, and better in general than TNG or Voyager were by season 4 so that's my opinion. Blasphemy you say?
Mabye, but I remember all the really horrid TNG episodes along with the really good ones.
Posted by Ayre (Member # 1218) on :
Well, TNG had a rocky start, that's for sure. I can indeed remember some early bombs, but the thing about TNG that got lost along the way was the really human element of things. You cared what happened to those people. DS9 stayed "Cool" during the war, but it lost a little of that people edge. Voyager went the other way and tried too hard to make us like the people by constantly going "SEE HOW YOU CAN IDENTIFY WITH THEM?!". Plus Voyager had the worst science out of them all, which takes a big bite out of SCIENCE fiction. Enterprise, I fear is really pushing hard like Voyager did. I won't say they're going too far, yet, but they're on the edge. Archer going for pussy-boy to eating Xindi gonads for breakfast, Emotional T'Pol. Trip, I think is the most believable character. Although he's also a poster-boy for the 5 stages of grief. I think Enterprise has potential to do stories well, but they're just not hitting it yet. They've got the right mix of characters, the right setting, and they're close, but just not nailing it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
TNG had a rocky end as well: season seven was terrible (with three or four great episodes among the shit).
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
TNG tried too hard to tighten up the loose ends.
Posted by Ayre (Member # 1218) on :
But then on the other hand, DS9 left everything pretty much open. Geez, now that you pick on it, is there any good Trek?!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:TNG tried too hard to tighten up the loose ends.
That and the whole episode where the ship is transformed into some myan temple bullshit. Or transformed into mutant animals.... Or children. Or gunslinging Data. Or Deanna's long-lost-dead-sister. Or Crusher's "scottish ghost lover".
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
Hey, I liked Genesis. And Masks wasn't too bad when I last saw it...when I was like 10 I must admit. Then I even liked The Naked Now.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
When The Naked Now first aired, my best friend (also a big Trek geek) remarked, "Man, it's only the second episode and they're already out of ideas..."
Luckily that was not the case but it's something to remember when people gripe that Enterprise is just re-hashing old Trek.
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
I was like two when The Naked Now first aired...
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
I was seven. i built a tractor beam thingy out of legos.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So....your role model was Wesley Crusher. It's all becoming clear now....
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:I was seven. i built a tractor beam thingy out of legos.
I was 7 as well, but didn't really start watching it 'religiously' until "Relics", so that puts me about 12.
I built a cloaking device out of legos...after 10 years I still cant find the damned thing. Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
For me, TNG never got past being "Love Boat in Space". I kept watching in the hopes that they'd finally get a really good SF episode (like the best ones from TOS), but sadly it never happened.
DS9, OTOH had 3-dimensional characters (where TNG could have replaced most of the bridge crew with cardboard cutouts and it wouldn't have made too much of a difference) and was far more believable. The best episode ever, IMO, was "In the Pale Moonlight", only matched by "Far Beyond the Stars" (which, sadly, is a standalone episode rather than part of a bigger arc).
I only wish they had shown "Blakes' 7" and "Doctor Who" over here... they sound pretty interesting.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
"Far Beyond the Stars" is followed up, in part, in...the 2-part premiere of season 7. So it's not entirely stand alone, it was part of the lesser 'Prophet Arc'.
"Doctor Who", I believe, is for sale, on DVD, at fine retail establishments such as 'Best Buy', possibly Circuit City'.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"DS9, OTOH had 3-dimensional characters..."
Why three, particularly?
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Haven't you heard the expression before? Characters who are believable, who evolve during the series, and give you the impression they are of flesh and bone, not just flat images on a TV screen who lack any development and for whom you don't really care?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, that's the diference between one-dimensional and multi-dimensional characters. I was just wondering why they should have three dimensions, specifically.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Not to get dragged into a Nixpicking argument, but doesn't "3-dimensional" mean, in this context, that the characters are "life-like"? Because people in real life have 3 dimensions, and so on...
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
It is kind of a play on words... "3-dimensional" characters have DEPTH. Strange but true.
Posted by Capped in Mike (Member # 709) on :
the aliens fron "The Loss" for example, lacked the depth of performance we sought in their acting roles, thus they were two-dimensional.
oh wai
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, I just don't think I've ever heard a multi-dimensional character's number of dimensions specified before. I was under the impression that a one-dimensional character was one that only had a single element to his/her/its character. For example, your typical bad guy whose one dimension is "he's evil". A more fleshed-out character would have more dimensions, but not an exact number.
I never thought it was used in terms of "flat" and "not flat" characters, since that would make the flat characters "two-dimensional", and I've never heard that used.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
I think you're eight-dimensional.
ON ACCOUNT OF YOUR FAT.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Were you really nine years old when you joined Flare?
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
I've heard of two-dimensional characters, I think they're ones that aren't exactly one-dimensional but are still fairly simple.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
I spent five years trying to remember my password.
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
I thought all the characters on Enterprise were pretty one dimensional to start with.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
A year and a half and that's all you've got?
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
It was all that effort finding the password.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
Mine was just my name backwards, it turned out.
Five years I spent. Every day, one more try.
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
BTW ENTERPRISE is lame.
How's that?
P.S. I like that sexy bitch with the pointy ears, though. but her haircut deserves some clowning.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
u mean jolene ballock? she's so hot, guy.
id do her
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
hustler has pics of her dude
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Her dude? Gosh, Larry's really broadening the scope of the magazine these days. . .
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"id do her"
but she wudnt do u haha ur screwed lol
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
She wouldn't do you either! We are like kindred.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by J: If you think some of Trek's best performances were in this last season you haven't been watching enough Trek or watching it for very long.
There might not have been "Inner Light"s or "The Visitor"s but there were definately some of Trek's finest hours in season 3.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Did Voyager lack 4D characters - cause of their constant use of the Reset Button�
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by worffan1990: u mean jolene ballock? she's so hot, guy.
id do her
Id? As is "monsters from the"?
You couldn't do her legally, anyway. You're 13 going on 14! Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Did Voyager lack 4D characters - cause of their constant use of the Reset Button�
If you assume time is the 4th dimension, then Voyager's characters were pretty damned 4D with all the temporal crap that was going on in that show!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron:
quote:Originally posted by worffan1990: u mean jolene ballock? she's so hot, guy.
id do her
Id? As is "monsters from the"?
You couldn't do her legally, anyway. You're 13 going on 14!
hehe pwned
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
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