In TDDWP, in Sisko's Office (hence the title) we see some sort of Nebula variant I've never seen before...
Thoughts?
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
I notied that too. I believe that it's the extended secondary hull-version, which a sketch was seen back at SFCR. I'll try and find that...
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
This proves my theory that there are four Nebula variations.
1. Phoenix-type 2. Sutherland-type 3. Farragut-type, with more windows 4. This new kind
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
While we are talking about Sisko's models, here's a list of what the 4 are:
USS Saratoga NCC-31911, Miranda III class USS ????? NCC-?????, Nebula IV class USS Horizon NCC-176, Daedalus class International Space Station (ISS)
The ISS is a recent addition to his office, might I add.
My question is, why would he want a model of the Horizon and this weird Nebula in his office? Unless either he himselfor a relative served on them.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Oh, and would any care to help classify which Nebulas belong to which type? My guess would be the regular Nebulas, which I am guessing the Sutherland is, is practically every Nebula. The Farragut is Type II (since she was built earliest). Any other of the Type II kind? The Phoenix would be Type III. This new kind I'll just stick as Type IV for now.
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
There's been some sort of space station model in Sisko's office since the start of the series, IIRC.
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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
This same model is displayed in a Star Trek TNG book I saw, I think it was "The Continuing Generation", not sure *makes mental note to check out bookstore*.
That variation was originally supposed to be the U.S.S. Sutherland in Redemption. Yes, I swear I saw that same model. Kinda sleek and cool looking, if you ask me....
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Perhaps Sisko, like many of us, simply likes to have cool looking models in his office.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
*squints* Is that a new design of pod, as well? In fact, doesn't it look a lot, well, flatter than other Nebulas? If it was a new class, I wonder which one of the many 'lost' classes it could be? Of course, it's gotta be a Nebula really. . .
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Anybody ever think that perhaps Sisko made these models himself?
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I had a nebula-class model in MY office at work, too.. until the dictionaries fell over and knocked it from the shelf, breaking off the saucer and one nacelle...
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Well, there is another weird thing about this model. The engineering hull isn't really extended, its just moved back. Look under the saucer, the deflector dish doesn't reach the midpoint of the saucer like it should. The nacelles pylons are moved back as well, they aren't underneath the saucer. As for "The Contuining Mission" book, there was never a model built. The only Nebula models pictures is a side view of Sutherland, a rear view of Sutherland, and a side view of Phoenix. The picture that Federation Shipmaster posted is also there.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
He's right. I LIKE this model. It looks sleek and powerful, not words you usually use to describe the Nebula-class.
I keep thinking the nacelles are higher, but I've checked and they're not. But, unless, it's the angle, they too appear further back. . .
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Great Scott! It would seem so. . .
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It looks like they may have taken a regular Galaxy saucer/neck/sec. hull, and put the nacelles on in Nebula fashion. Could this be how they originally designed the Neb., and only later removed the neck and moved up the sec. hull?
Also, as for the comment on the pod... It looks like it might be the orignal Phoenix pod. This would also match Frank's theory that this is the podless model from TNG. Since that model had the double struts (like the Phoenix), it might also have the same pod...
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
No, this is exactly like the Melbourne. Sisko actually turns the model some, and you can see that there isn't really a pod on it, just the top of the two struts, like the Melbourne
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Oh. I guess the struts get longer at the top, then?
And it would appear that they did alter the neck somehow from a regular Gal., because it's not as long or as tall as it would be...
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
That sketch was from "The Continuing Mission." Does anyone have a pic of his ISS model? What is IIRC?!?!??!?!
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Generally interpretted as "if I remember correctly," I believe.
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That Melbourne model has four nacelles. I think it's probably not the same model as the one in Cisco's office...
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Oh, great, this screws everything up. A Nebula with 4 nacelles. And why are the nacelles different sizes? I must admit Sisko's model isn't exactly the same, but what if they just stuck some different kind of pod on there instead of the nacelles?
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Posted by Pedro on :
I can tell you from experience that it's harder to take apart a model and rebuid it than to make a new one from a kit. These guys don't do shoddy work (even on background stuff), so I doubt he would just rip off the nacelles and add a pod.
The smaller nacelles and pylons are obviously taken from the smaller Enterprise kit. I wouldn't neccessarily count it as a 'real' nebula variant, it could be chalked up to artistic liscence (remember sticking extra missiles all over your airplane models?). It is kind of neat, though...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Hm... If it's the same model, it's odd that little nacelles' Bussards aren't noticible on the one in Sisko's office. However, it does indeed seem to be the same model. Its appearance in "Future Imperfect" would have been a lot easier to explain away than this.
I also don't like the fact that it has the Melbourne's name and registry on it, seeing as the Melbourne was Excelsior-class...
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
Solutions:
Those nacelles were on a future ship, a future that doesn't look very likely.
In that universe, the Melbourne could be a new-build ship that wasn't built in our universe.
I don't think that the model in the office has the four nacelles. Does anyoen haev a pic when he turns it a little bit?
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Posted by Trinculo on :
In the ready room of the USS Phoenix NCC-65420, there is a model of a starship. This starship has no registry. Can this model's class be identified?
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
Ain't this the same model Riker had when he was Captain in that alternate future?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Yes, according to the picture Pedro posted.
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
The two smaller nacelles could be for auxiliary use only.
How do we knwo Sisko doesn't just like to kitbash Starfleet model kits? After all, Riker could have gotten it from him.
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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Or maybe they are booster nacelles or something.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Or detachable shuttlebays (HAHAHA). But honestly, why not have booster nacelles, at least I like it more than a ship with three nacelles. Maybe the additional nacelles were only used for a Nebula testbed or temporarily for the USS Nebula, until the full performance of the newly developed main nacelles was available.
The small nacelles could be the same size as the New Orleans nacelles, and this makes the whole thing a bit more consistent again.
