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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Okay, if this particular point was already discussed, I'm sorry. For a while, I was having trouble keeping up w/ all the threads in here, so I may have missed some stuff.

Anyway, I was looking at something regarding what Alex Jaeger said of the Akira in the STMag. The thing that particularly interested me was his comment that the Aki's saucer was almost as large as a Sovvy's. Now, I did a little brief playing around w/ diagrams in Photoshop, and I figure, if the Aki's saucer (area viewed from the top) is not quite as large as a Sovvy's, the Aki is around 500m long. Whaddaya think?

It's three in the morning. I'm going to bed. When I get up in the mor�, er... afternoon, probably... I expect this subject to have been thoroughly discussed and settled. *L*

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I tried comparing the saucers on internal volume. Counting the deflector, I think 454m (from DS9 Tech. Manual I believe) is still pretty accurate.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

(I shall now bring to attention my Akira length page.)

I believe Jaegar said that the Akira's saucer was almost as wide as the Sovereign's. That would make the Akira ~390m. No more than ~400m, and possibly smaller. (Comparison) Of course, in the show, the Akira has been ~340m anyway, as I mentioned above, and the show always overrides everything.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

The deck count as well as the size comparison with the Sovereign escape pods yields ~440m.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

But, the escape pods aren't necessarily the same size.

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Posted by Davok (Member # 143) on :

An interesting thing about the Akira is that the escape pods (EPs) and the bridge look exactly like the ones from the Sovereign, but on the Akira, the bridge is as long as 5 EPs, while on the Sovereign, it's only about 3.5 EPs. It could mean that the Akira has a different type of EP; maybe a smaller version for a smaller ship whith smaller crew...
This is why I think the EPs are no reliable indication for the ship size.

Posted by judge advocate on :

Hello Guys and Gals i just found this group and am interested in getting all the technical information and pictures of the Akira class vessel that you have i did notice a comparision page earlier in the group wich is most helpful but if you have more information i would be most greatful

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Davok: The Akira bridge actually looks nothing like the Sovereign's. That was just a shortcut taken by Drexler when doing the encyclopedia diagrams. He did the same thing on the Steamrunner and Sabre, although, technically, we don't know if maybe their bridges really were the same (though I doubt it).

Oh, BTW, I cleaned up your double post.

Frank: Well, what I was reading was where someone quoted him over at Sternbach's group. They said that he said "it is almost as big as the E-E--the E is longer, but the saucer section is almost the same size." They put the quotes around it, so I assumed they were using the exact words from the mag.

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Posted by Cargile (Member # 45) on :

Frank, where is the production logic in making escape pods different sizes? They should be standard, reuseable, and interchangeable.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

But, they aren't. Each ship seems to have its own kind of escape pod. Even ones that look similar, like the Intrepid's and Saber's, are still different sizes.

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Posted by Davok (Member # 143) on :

TSN: So, do you have a better schematic?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Davok: Like this one? :-)

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Posted by Pedro on :

Actually, we've seen good pictures of all of the bridges of the FC ships, and they are all quite different.

Frank, I just re-read your Akira length page, and feel I should point out one innacuracy (which won't really change your conclusions, but...). The Excelsior shown in Favor the Bold is a CGI ship, built by Dave Lombardi ad Digital Muse, not the model. Actually, some other stuff is kind of out of date as well, you might want to update it.

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

It's CGI? But...I thought they were still using the Excelsior model from "Flashback" (VOY)?

What else is out of date?

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Posted by Pedro on :

Not to much is out of date, just the incorrect assumption about the Excelsior, and the bit about the Akira bridge being undetailed, as well as the other FC ship bridges. It is possible that the Foundation Imaging guys spruced up the Akira bridge when they converted it to Lightwave for TV use, but I don't think so, ILM is well known for adding tons of detail to models, even if it will never be seen on screen.

I'm not 100% certain that the Excelsior was CGI. The reason that I think it was is that Dave told me he had built the CGI Excelsior, and DMuse was responsible for most of that battle scene (I believe that this was the first appearance of the CGI model). In addition, the paneling on that ship has the look of a CG model, and from what I've seen of the Flashback model, the painted details differ quite a bit (while Lombardi's CG model matches quite closely with the larger original model).

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Um... Could someone point me in the direction of these "good pictures" of the other FC ships? I don't believe I've seen them...

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

What pictures of the ships of First Contact? Is everyone referring to the ones in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Sketchbook? If so, Pedro has the Norway, Steamrunner, and Saber Class pictures in his site.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

When was there a shot of the Akira-class bridge?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hobbes: Look at the picture in the post six above yours.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Although I am perfectly convinced that the Akira was intended to be about 450 meters long and that the escape pods were intended to be of the same type, there is that errorneous 262m size the DS9 VFX group are using which could pull the number down a bit in the future.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I'm not so sure about the design size. Like Davok said, a ~450m Akira would have a huge bridge module. And Jaegar did intend this to be a warship...would he have designed it with such high decks?

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Well, it depends on what we call 'bridge' in that big blob on the top. I see it as bridge plus a number of decks atop the main saucer, as is the case with the Ent-E if you've seen the sketchbook.

And there is no evidence to suggest that warships have to have lower deck heights. For all we know, the deck heights may actually be higher because of all the additional power transfer conduits in-between decks needed to support the increased plasma/whatever flow required for high levels of armament. Normal ships don't have it run through crew sections for safety, but warships take these chances. Witness the Defiant with four 12' decks at 110 meters.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Oh, I see. I thought you were talking about the inside of the bridge itself. Not the appearance from a dorsal view.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

It is more tactically sound to present your enemy with as small a target as possible. This tactic has been known and applied for years.

Therefore it makes perfect sense for a warship to have as few decks as possible, in order for it to be as flat/thin as possible.

Example: the Defiant. It's as flat as Voyager's humour.

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