Hey guys, I'm doing several illustrations of the various starship classes and want to include the class and type of the vessels. For instance, the Galaxy and Nebula classes are typed as Explorers, the Defiant is an Escort. I need to know the types for as many of the canon ships as you can tell me. If you don't want to take up alot of space on the thread with a big list, you can e-mail any info you have to [email protected].
Right now, I particulatly need to know the Nova Class (I think that would be a Science Vessel), the Intrepid Class, and the Sovereign Class.
Thanks.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
I mean, uh, this is under debate.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
*speechless*
Couldn't you just do a website on fluffy bunnies or something? There aren't enough websites on fluffy bunnies, in my opinion.
Posted by Davok (Member # 143) on :
Ehm, good question. SWDAO.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Avoiding the whole naval classification thing we'll never agree on, wasn't the Nova called a Science ship and the Intrepid a Scout? I'm not entirely sure whether those designations were used onscreen or not. . .
Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Please! Lets not start a discussion on this again!
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Oh, let's.
Yes, Lee, that's right.
*bans the word "frigate" from thread*
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
My God people, I'm new, have pity! Close the thread, CLOSE THE THREAD! I think I've started a major problem here. It turns out the type will be way too small and I don't want to go through the hastle of doing it. But for the record, the term Frigate has been used to describe the New Orleans class on screen, so I guess we have to accept it. Why is there a problem with this term?
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
There's no problem with the term, but it was caused some... interesting discussions.
Which we will not get into... right?
But discussing what we do know is always fine.
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I've been here since March and I don't remember why we don't agree on it....
If you want to know why you shouldn't have mentioned this subject, refer yourself to this thread, and it's brief continuation here. I think you'll understand... :-)
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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
ANYBODY WORKING ON OR HAVE Dorsal or Side views of The Wells Class Timeship
Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
No, in a word. It was a fairly crap ship. Therefore you can be sure it'll turn up in the Magazine in no time at all. . .
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Why is it that we can't agree on topics like this?
Because we can't even agree what language they speak on Trek.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I'll dare to actually answer the question.
Intrepid - Medium Cruiser Sovereign - Explorer
I'm sure there will be at least one person who disagrees with me but isn't that the point behind the forum? To express your own opinion and to discover the opinion of others on something we all mutually care about.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
*screams*
This isn't the sort of thing that's a matter of opinion, or at least shouldn't be.
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Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
*frowns* Must we get into this thing again? Wouldn't it be easier to just make this one of those "forbidden" topics, like the Defiant's length?
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
*shifts conversation 171-- er, 120-- uh, 180 degress*
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Let's just use logic here. First off, Janeway said that Voyager is a 'short-term explorer' in an episode. Therefore, she's an explorer/scout.
The Sovereign, it's large like a Galaxy, but it's way too overarmed and carries no civilians, making it not likely to be an explorer. Therefore, by my guess, she's a command cruiser or battlecruiser. If you're Frank, call it a Battleship.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
See, there you go, mixing terminologies.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
How do you know I'm mixing terminology? Do you seriously expect meto believe that you, Frank, have been to the 24th century and know exactly how the designations of these ships work 400 years in the future. You have NO PROOF that they do not use the terms 'cruiser' and 'explorer' in their designations, because this stuff is 400 years away. So saying that I'm mixing designations is foolish, since you don't know what designations exist in the 24th century.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH! *brutally murders Matt, stuffs him in a blender, feeds him to a wolf, and sends the wolf into a star*
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
*wonders why Frank just killed that poor wolf**and Matt*
... one which you apparently hit with the figurative equivalent of a sledgehammer.
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
*jams fingers in ears and hums until nasty thread about classifications goes away and BP returns to safe level*
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Um, thanks for all the help guys. Let me reiterate, I'm pulling a Voyager and saying the whole thing was pointless. I really don't need the info anymore. I'm a quarter way done with my Nova Class Illustration and no typing (only Class) is any where to be found on it. Nor shall any be on any other ship illustration. I promise. Really.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Good. I'm tired of people that are obsessed with classifications but don't even understand their purpose.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Ooh, bitchy. Care to qualify that statement? 8)
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
What do you want qualified?
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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
I realize there is little agreement with regard to classifications. Logically, there are size classifications and functional classifications, and no-one agrees on those either.
On my own site, I apply (inconsistently) my own system of classification. What category a ship belongs in is defined by it's size, it's primary mission (function) and the era in which it was produced.
Roughly, the classifications are as follows:
Size classifications:
Pod
A small one-or two-person vessel designed (generally) for short-duration missions.
Shuttle
Pre-TOS-era: A small vessel capable of surface-to-orbit and orbit-to-surface (transorbital) operations.
TOS-era: A small vessel designed for transorbital and/or interplanetary travel. Not warp-capable.
TNG-era: A small vessel that may or may not be warp capable, designed for short-duration (measured in weeks, at most) missions.
All: Shuttles generally aren't designed to operate for extended periods of time without support provided by a surface installation, starbase, or host vessel.
Runabout
A small warp-powered vessel designed for longer-duration missions than a shuttle. Runabouts generally are equipped with most essential starship systems, and are designed for extended use without external support. A runabout is the smallest type of vessel that is considered a "real" starship.
Corvette
TOS-era: A small military vessel, generally used in groups for patrol or escort duties, and supported at extended intervals by larger support vessels.
Post-TOS era: Not used.
Frigate
TOS-era: The smallest vessel capable of operating alone for extended periods of time by itself, or, more likely, as part of a group of vessels assembled to perform a specific mission.
TNG-era: The smallest type of starship other than the runabout. While runabouts are general-purpose vessels, frigates are designed for more specific mission profiles, such as exploration, research, or combat missions. This classification has expanded to include vessels that would, in former times, be classified as corvettes, as well as larger types that would have been classified as destroyers.
Destroyer
TOS-era: A medium-sized vessel capable of extended independent operations.
TNG-era: Not used. The light cruiser and heavy frigate classifications include vessels that in former times would have fallen in this category.
Cruiser
Includes the largest types of vessel used by Starfleet. Cruisers are generally capable of operating for many years without external support, without regard to their functional mission. Cruisers much larger or smaller than average are often sub-classified as "light" or "heavy" cruisers.
Functional classifications:
[Note: I constantly modify this list.]
Fighter
A small combat vessel designed for maximum firepower in a minimum spaceframe. Mission duration is typically measured in hours.
Escort
A (usually) small combat vessel with a primary mission to defend other (usually unarmed) vessels.
Monitor
A large Capital ship capable of high sublight velocity but low (or no) warp capability. Monitors are designed to defend a system or important Starbase, and rely upon the support provided by ground, orbital, or deep space installations for replenishment of supplies and maintenance.
Carrier
Any vessel designed to carry other vessels as part of its primary mission brief. While many vessels carry auxiliary vehicles (shuttles, for example), the carrier 's primary mission is to launch, recover, and support smaller vessels with specific (rather than general-purpose) mission profiles.
Tender
Any vessel with the primary mission of providing logistical and maintenance support to other vessels. Tenders are often used to support vessels which cannot return to a starbase or other installation for resupply.
Exploration (used as a prefix)
Used to signify any vessel with a primary mission to expand the boundaries of known space, such as a mapping vessel or general-purpose exploration ship. An Exploration cruiser is a cruiser-sized vessel with an exploration mission. Generically referred to as "explorers".
Research (used as a prefix)
Any vessel with a primary mission to increase our knowledge of or within explored space. Often referred to as "science vessels".
Battle (used as a prefix)
Used as a prefix, this designation signifies that the vessel's primary mission is combat (generally ship-to-ship). A Battle-frigate is a frigate designed primarily for ship-to-ship combat, for example.
Battleship
Specifically, a battleship is a heavy battlecruiser.
Tug
Any vessel with a primary mission of towing vessels or cargo external to its hull. May be applied to almost any size vessel.
Liner
Any vessel with a primary mission of passenger transportation.
Transport
Any vessel with a primary mission of transporting non-passenger cargo.
There.
(Note: This is the first time I've ever done a definition list. I can hardly wait to see what it looks like. Not a mess, I hope. )
[Cool! I only had to fix a few places where I accidentally used "DT" (definition term) instead of "DD" (definition).]
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Hmm, interesting.
Your comment, Franko, just struck me as rather nebulous. Apart from yourself, no-one round here seems overly obsessed with classifications and has no idea what they mean. 8)
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
*considers bludgeoning Lee*
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
*scribes "Thou shalt not bludgeon thy celestial predecessors" on wall*
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
*looks closely* Damn. He spelt it all right too. I was hoping I'd get him to do it all again. . . B(
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
*wonders if there are "battle shuttles" and "research pods"*
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
This thread deserves to be locked and the key thrown away...
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