I got this email from Mark Delgado: "In the newest issue of Star Wars Insider, there is an article about the various "in-jokes" that Lucas put in his movies (such as the E.T.'s in Phantom Menace). Well, I don't remember the guy's name they were interviewing, but he was responsible for the CGI in PM. He stated that he worked on both that movie and First Contact, and as an in-joke, he CGI'd two Millenium Falcons into the battle scene at the beginning of the movie! Could you perhaps find out if anyone has any screengrabs of this?"
I trust him on his word that this is not a joke of some sorts, but I have never heard of such a thing, can anyone help me??? (It does smell like a joke, doesn�t it?)
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
A great deal of the ships in FC were just formless blobs at a great distance. They could be anything from Millennium Falcons to floating Yoda heads to a digitized version of kung pao chicken.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
When the Defiant skims the surface of the Borg Cube, and the Akira class is destroyed on the left side. In that scene look for odd ships near the bottom left of the Cube. That, to me, looks like the best spot to look for them...
I'll check it myself when I have the time...
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
COOL!!
I think I actually found one!
In the scene I described above: There is an egg-shaped ship flying in the far left side of the screen, It's flying towards the cube. There are also 2 Oberth class ships in between the Cube and the 'egg'. Just before the movie goes into the next scene you can actually see that the front of the 'egg' is devided into two parts, just like the Falcon.
In the two 'on screen battles' there are several of those same egg visible. They are among the fastest moving ships in the fleet.
NOTE: I have the widescreen version of First Contact.
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Cool, I don�t have the widescreen version. Can�t you post some screencaps? I would love to see that ship!
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Sorry, I cannot make screen grabs. But you can look for them yourself. In one of the 'on screen' battles there are several bright white egg-shaped ships in the background. I think those are the ones.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
People have also reported that the Enterprise-D appears in TPM. However, I doubt that this, or the above report, is true, but I suppose it doesn't hurt to check...
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Doesn't he know what sort of hot water he is getting himself into!?! He's going to muck up all of us tr-ech heads... arrrgh!
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I don't see the white egg things? I did see what looks like the Bozeman.
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The Bozeman was not seen, it was just a Miranda class ship. I saw nothing resembling anything from any Star Wars movie. And I do have the widescreen version too, but its just the standard video tape. Is it even on DVD? And I didn't see any Oberths either. The only Fed ships visually there were:
Sovereign class Enterprise Defiant class Defiant unnamed Miranda class ship Several Akira class ships including Thunderchild Several Saber class ships including Yeager Several Steamrunner class ships including Appalachia Several Norway class ships including Budapest Nebula class Lexington or Endeavour
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
There were at least two Miranda Class ships. One was on one side of the Cube with nacelle damage and another just leaving where it shot the ship.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Frank, the Enterprise is there. Probably along with a whole host of other SF homages. Some site had pictures of them somewhere.
(At least, they point out a vaguely Enterprise-looking blob. )
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Okay for the two Oberths:
Scene: Defiant swings in and shoots at the Cube, a Miranda is near the Defiant and an Akira gets destroyed on the left side. Now look on the left side of the Cube. A damaged Sabre floats around, a Miranda shoots a torpedo, and two Oberths swing by, one of them is firing a phaser.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
I can identify those two Oberths on a small screen TV with the Widescreen version. And I think these should be visible on the normal version as well.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well if this is the case with the Oberth's that means they are CGIed and that this was the last ever appearence of an Oberth Class ship in Star Trek to date.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
The Oberth fired phasers? Looks like some had weapons refit...
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, after reviewing the battle scene, I did see the other Miranda. I also saw the Oberth firing phasers. I did not see another Oberth, but maybe I just haven't fully make out a ship in the background as one. And I believe that Oberth's have always had phasers.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Didn't the Oberth in "Emissary" fire a phaser? Or did it just get hit...?
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The Bonestall just got hit and exploded. She didn't fire any phasers. Which reminds me. In TBOBW2, the first piece of wreckage that we see as the Enterprise flies by looks remarkably like an Oberth. Possibly the Bonestall? It looks like the damage is consistent to what the Bonestall received.
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
The Oberths are/were unarmed science vessels. And I only see the phaser fire from where that Oberth is suppose to be.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
The second Oberth is flying just behind the first one. It is going from the left to the right where it eventually disappears behind the Cube.
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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
I'll have to find my copy of FC and look for it. Though, in ESB, I never saw the potato or sneaker in the asteroid field scene. I suck at finding these things I guess.
IF there are Oberths in FC...I am forced to ask why. What would be the point of making a CGI of the Oberth (even a very rough one to be seen waaay in the background) for FC? It doesn't make much sense for it to be in the sector 001 battle (okay I admit starfleet may have called in garbage scows to combat the cube), when they could have CGIed up an Ambassador (which I would like to see again), a rough new design, or semi-developed one like the New Orleans. The only real reason that the Oberth is still in service is that models are expensive and TPTB didn't wan't to have to use another Galaxy or Excelsior every time they wanted another ship in TNG. On a side note, for what episode were Mirandas mad into CGI? (My feelings on this are similar to the Oberth).
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I would think that all the Miranda Classes we saw blown to bits at DS9 would be CGI. That would go for the Excelsior and others.
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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
Justin: I would assume that all (most) Starfleet vessels have some sort of light armament (even the garbage scows. It would be kind of stupid for a ship with seventy or eighty people on board to be defenseless against a shuttlecraft (if shuttles are armed, I would say everything is).
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Shuttles are armed...lately, back in TNG they usually were not unless it was needed for a mission.
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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Some people say, this "Millenium Falcons" are just Saber-Class-Ships. Does anyone have pics or screengrabbs to back up this?
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Posted by kiltedbear (Member # 1138) on :
I remember reading somewhere that Oberths had phasers, but they were fairly weak compared to the phasers on larger vessels,
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I would assume those phaser were only meant to destroy large astroids or maybe raiders or something. Those phasers probably the same power that are found in the Danubes.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
There is an Oberth firing a phaser in First Contact, yes.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
There's an Oberth in FC?
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Why would yu send a ship that is one of the weakest ships in battle.
...Unless you put Defiant's phasers on it with bigger and better shields and qauntum torpedoes on it.
Only one can dream, but I don't dream about that.
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Against the Borg, Starfleet would send any ship it had available, even the weak ones. The more ships, the better the chance at winning. An Oberth may have weak weapons, but at least it's one more ship doing what damage it can.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There are plenty of other roles for a ship with what is presumably a very complete sensor suite to perform in combat.
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*reminds everyone that there's ZERO evidence that Oberths are unarmed*
I mean, one gets blown up from behind with its shields down, and it gets a rep for life. It's rather sad, really.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
We've seen phasers used for more than just weapons-related purposes..I can think of any number of uses fro them on a science vessel.
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Posted by Cammodude on :
Wait a minute...I thought that the Oberth class starships were being replaced with the Nova class.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, that's one theory. But it's just an idea floating around. There's no canonical evidence, other than the fact that we haven't seen an Oberth in a while, and the Nova is a science ship.
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Well the Nova class would be a suitable ship to replace the Oberth. It is newer and perhaps more heavily armed.
Surak did say in ST3 that the Klingons did destroy an unarmed ship. Now I recall myself Vulcans don't lie...
The Grissom might have some armament on baord but nothing powerful enough to take on a ship.
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Matrix...that's Sarek, Spock's father. Not Surak who was the first Vulcan to embrace logic and thus unify Vulcan to what it is now.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Of course Vulcans lie. In any situation where it would be logical to do so.
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I know, it was a typo tha's all. Why would Sarek lie about that? That is not logical to get your point through. He could have just say that the Klingon ship went into Federation territory and destroy a Starfleet ship. But he didn't he said that a Klingon ship attacked a unarmed ship. Which is probably worse since there was no war, and that ship didn't carry any powerful armaments of any kind.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
An unarmed ship is still an unarmed ship, no phasers, torpedoes, only shields. If Sarek said that the Klingons attacked a ship that was not that heavily armed, then the Oberth Class may have minimal weapons.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, I didn't mean Sarek was lying in this case. I was just saying that Vulcans aren't incapable of lying.
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