Hi,there! My first topic for this board, but lets get started! I have recently acquired the new StarTrek DS9 2001 Calender- as always there's a huge picture from Ds9 in the middle. This time its ds9, the defiant flying by and a galaxy class docked at one of the upper pylons. The registry of the ship is NCC 70564, but the name is unreadable.the name looks rather large and seems to be consistent out of two words. Any idea which ship it could be?
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
USS Big Mistake.
The USS Galaxy has NX-70637...
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Or is this yet more evidence of unchronological registries? :P
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
It's the U.S.S. Someone Wasn't Paying Attention
My guess is alot of the ship in these new calenders aren't from the show or from anywhere else. They certainly shouldn't be taken as canon.
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OR...it's a misread/misprint/mislabeling of the Venture, which is 71854.
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Venture sounds much better than a Galaxy with a number lower than the prototype. And would you consider the Ships of the Line calendar also non-canon. It did give us the name of Nebbie 70915.
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Posted by Alpha Centauri (Member # 338) on :
I usually don't take calendars as canon too, but any new ships they present are added to my ship list. Why? Just obsession...
Anyway, the Ships of the Line pic of the USS Bogue NCC-70915 must be taken canon, as it is a re-use of the original studio model (isn't it?)
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, it was the CGI Nebbie, which the never bothered to change all the labeling as it still said Honshu and NCC-60205 on the saucer.
And Nemesis, did this Galaxy have raised portions on the nacelles...and was the ship docked at an upper pylon...and was it a port view? Anyway, if it did have raised portions on the nacelles, it was most certainly Venture. No other Galaxy was seen like that (AGT Ent-D excluded) and no CGI was ever made of that Galaxy. And they wouldn't bother to do so now or even take the studio model, re-add the extras on the nacelles and label it to any other name and number than Venture 71854
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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Welcome to the forum, Nemesis!
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
I first thought myself that it could be the uss venture. After reviewing "way of the warrior" i also noticed the raised phaser on the nacelles, this one has none, but it is docked right in the same position as the venture. On closer inspection it looks like the ship was cut out of scene and than pasted to the station, cause of the odd angle i can only assume i. Unfortunatly i have no scanner at hand, but i'll see what i can do! BTW the modell seems to be a real phsyical one and the picture was created by Gary Hutzel. And thanks for the warm welcoming! :-)
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think the last time we saw NEW footage with the Galaxy with the raised portions on the nacelles, was from the Season 6 arc, when the fleet was gathering at 375.
I think they just reused the stock footage from WotW later on in the series.
Andrew
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Can anyone scan this picture in, since I can't find the Trek calendars in any of my local bookstore.
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
Give me a couple of minutes! I'll see what i can do!
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
That DOES appear to say 70xxx with a LONG-ass name...but I'd like to look at it really upclose. Unfortunately, none of the stores around here have an open copy...& I'm not about to spend money on something I don't need. I'd like to confirm that name for the Nebula 70915 for myself.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Hm... Could be 70xxx. It also looks a little like 73xxx.
The last digit is a 4; that's indisputable.
The second-to-last is almosy certainly a 5, though there's a slight chance of a funky 6.
The middle digit (no, not that middle digit; the one in the registry!) alos looks like a 5 or 6, but I'm leaning more toward 6.
So, 70654 or 73654 are the most likely candidates in my mind. Both would fit, given the Galaxy's registry.
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I'll be dipped in shit & called a Fudge'icle! It IS 70564! Maybe it was a bit of "numeric dyslexia" & the numberwas intended to be 70654.
As for the name..it's long...2 words...looks like 5 or 6 letters inthe first one, 4 in the 2nd.
Who gets nominated to contact Foundation Imaging or whoever did the shots for the calendar for the real info?
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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
Oh, shit!
For those who believe that starship classes are not chronological (class ship followed by sister ships, i.e. Constitution), this is another proof.
For those who believe that starship classes are chronological (reverse of above, i.e. Excelsior), this is evidence that the Galaxy Class has had two Galaxies (NX-xxxxx, NCC-70637) and that the TNGTM is incorrect about the prototype.
I am adding two ships to my list-the unknown USS Galaxy and this ship, NCC-70564. I guess this gives away my position. So far, from my perspective, there are 8 known ships of the Galaxy Class. They are: (1) USS Challenger NCC-71099; (2) USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D; (3) USS Galaxy; (4) USS Galaxy NCC-70637; (5) USS Trinculo NCC-71867; (6) USS Venture NCC-71854; (7) USS Yamato NCC-71807; and (8) USS xxxxx xxxx NCC-70564.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it "proves" nothing. Until conclusive evidence is shown stating that the ships & images depicted in the calendar are considered as part of the pantheon, nothing ANYONE says is anything more than pure speculation. Of course, human nature is human nature & everyone will do as they damned well please ANyway.
And where do you get the "two USS Galaxys" theory??
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK, either its the scan, or how crap does the CGI nacelles look on that thing... look at the Bussard Collectors... the grills... glow people GLOW!
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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
If the publication is approved by Paramount, then the material contained within that is official unless stated otherwise. Paramount has stated that the novels are not official; rather, they are the work of hired writers who use the existing universe as known to create stories. I consider the calenders to be official and, therefore, the material in the calenders to be relevant to the discussions of this forum. Others feel differently. Canonical is defined. Official is defined as being that which is not official. From these two rules, I define for myself what is official, what is pertinent to my understanding of the franchise, and what are my core beliefs about the nature of starships. Notice the word "my" or "myself".
Shik I do not state a theory. I state an observation and create a hypothesis which has not been tested nor confirmed. (Theory is an hypothesis that has been tested by rigorous examination with the results being evaluated by peers. If confirmed, the hypothesis is a theory. If not, the hypothesis is a hypothesis or is rejected. Since the nature of Star Trek is fluidic and the relevant facts as stated in the canonical evidence is scarce, there can never be a true testing of anyone's hypothesis.) The basis for the two Galaxies is stated in the earlier response.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Bah. Now you're just arguing semantics.
But I'll give you this: I'm proud that you didn't lump in a Galaxy-class USS Magellan. If I have to hear about the assumed retirement of the Constellation-class one more time....
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
There's also the Galaxy Class USS Oddyssey from the DS9 episode "The Jem Haddar". I'm hopping that Foundation Imaging was trying to make the USS Galaxy but had the wrong registry number. But then again, I doubt that they asked Okuda, Stearnbach, or at least Berman on the USS Galaxy's registry.
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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Maybe we can guess the first word, if we make out the second word.
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
I thought the USS Galaxy was briefly seen in the DS9 episode "tears of the prophets"? The one which was badly hurt at the ventral by one of the cardassian weapons platforms! For the name of unknown Galaxy-Class...well, i don't know, is there any ship name consistend of two words "unclassed" that we know of? A shame that the Name of this Galaxy-Class is not readable! BTW we shouldn't take the calenders to seriously: the Nebula-class in the "Ship of the Line"-Calender is total nightmare for our classification efforts: The Saucer states NCC 60205...USS Honshu, while the sensor pod and the warp-pylons state NCC 70915 USS Bogue! Oh my, I think someone at Foundation Image has gone completly mad...or is watching and trying to confuse us. Does anyone of you have contact to Gary Hutzel? He created that image!
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Regarding the Magellan, in SoA, Sisko says, "The Magellan and the Venture are supposed to be protecting our starboard flank! They're in too tight!" Then we see two Galaxies very close together, on the port side of the fleet. It seems to me that the fleet actions here were deliberately meant to correspond to the dialog.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
You can read 'USS Majestic' on the Miranda class that was on the port side of the Defiant in the scene where the two Miranda's were destroyed.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
If we are driven to the desperate situation that we have to accept the calendars as canon, then this oddball ship could be yet another "structural test article" finished into a starship during the war years. A sister to USS Galaxy that never actually had engines installed, or a saucer built, until either the Borg strikes or the threat of the Dominion prompted Starfleet to build more ships out of all available components.
I'd love to have USS Magellan be yet another Galaxy in the DS9 episodes - and why not in "Starship Mine" as well? Her being Constellation class is just an Okuda invention that could be changed for a later Encyclopedia if needed. The Cortez as well, I guess, to go with the theme.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Y'know, I really lIKE the Constellation-class...I didn't pull them from service in my universe yet--still about 15 or 20 floating around.
But there's no way in HELL you're ever going to convince me that Cortez is a Galaxy...not with a crew of 300 on her.
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
I like to think the Cortez is a miranda! For the Magellan, i think Galaxy-Class, maybe the Constellation -Class was destroyed in the war. But what will happen to the half-build-up-ships now after the Dominion-War is won by the Federation? Pulled back into Spacedock and refitted for normal duties?
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Me too! I like the old lady! After the end of TNG on television, i was really bored of the Galaxy-Class, but after watching her in action (all DS9 battles and VGR "Timeless"), i miss her designed grace!... Personly i think a Galaxy (my favourite version and name is the Venture) and a couple of Defiant-Classes in action would be a cool sight! All the following ships (especially the Souvereign-Class) have the "Batman-Syndrom". After "Batman Returns" the Design of the following movies was overstyled...especially the Batmobile. Too freaky and glowing. Nothing really special anymore....just cool looking but no real heart.... sniff
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I always thought that the USS Cortez was a Nebula Class starship, but then I would think the crew count would be around 800 during the war. It could be a Miranda, fully packed, but not a Galaxy. As for the half-built starships after the war, the personel have to do something now that there's no more fighting. That and all the new tech improvements must be installed on a fleetwide basis. Also, the Federation is a science junkie, ships like the Akira Class have to have the science packages upgraded so they won't be as imposing...
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Hm... I've always pictured the Cortez as Centaur-type...
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I still don't think there's any specific reason it couldn't be a Galaxy. How many members of her 1,000+ crew are actually necessary for her daily operations? A third? Less than that? I think 300 would do just fine running a Galaxy, though they might get a little lonely if they were used to the full compliment.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, 1000+ is the number of people, not just crew. So, subtracting families and such, you've already reduced the standard crew to less than that...
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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
If the Enterprise-A had a standard compliment of 500 crew on board then the Galaxy class due to the larger volume I would think that is about 600-700 crewmen on board without the civilians. Perhaps if minimal crew standards would be 300.
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
Well,i don't know which Class the Cortez could be, but according to rate of surviving a battle, the ship can be a Nebula or a Miranda-Class. Charlie Reynolds former ship was the Centaur (maybe Centaur-Class), his new and now lost ship was named Cortez and i think it could an be Excelsior or something in between...New-Orleans-Class or so.
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