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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

John Eaves is designing the new starship to be seen in the next series. This is confirmed by the official Star Trek fan site which gets its information directly from Paramount.

(I made this a spoiler warning as a result of the many rumors. I didn't want anyone who didn't want information on the next series getting angry. )

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

NO! IT CAN'T BE TRUE!

STERNBACH RULES!!!!

Mark

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

As much as I enjoy Mr. Sternbach's designs, John Eaves is no slouch, by any stretch of the imagination.

BTW, does anyone know if any concept art by Sternbach or Eaves is available for purchase? Or is Paramount all like, 'uh, no. That = ours.'?

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Does anyone know if Rick Sternbach will still be an illustrator for the new series? Though I enjoy the more radical direction John Eaves is taking Fed Designs, Rick is still the best (IMHO).
Even though John came up with the design for the Sovereign, it was Sternbach who came up with the diagrams, identified where the technology was, placed the internal rooms configured the decks.

Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Eaves was DS9's Sternbach for seasons 4-7. Furthermore, he designed a bunch of "First Contact" as well as "Generations" ships, stations, and equipment. The important thing is that while being a big fan of TOS, he'd never seen TNG when asked to do art for Generations, and will probably have some ideas as to how to pre-tosify (there's a new word) the show if it should really take place in early Federation days.

As for the tech, Black Knight is totally right; from a technical POV, this doesn't mean a thing since Sternbach will probably be asked to detail and blueprint the ship in accordance with the Rules. If not, then it will be his new assistant, Timothy Earls. You can bet on it because there are very few people in the Trek departments who can draw such ship blueprints.

On the other hand, if they should choose to skip this process, which has never happened so far in a series/movie-lead ship, then we'll almost certainly have a Defiant on our hands. Fortunately, the Defiant was rather an exception to the rule probably because of the DS9/TNG/VOY/Generations chaos of '94, and furthermore it's not really a lead-ship, DS9 is, which did get the Sternbach-treatment.

Boris

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Er...where is this announcement, again?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Vote Sternbach-Okuda in '01!

Well, if it were open to voting, anyway... :-)

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

I'm keeping my third-party vote right where it is -- as much as I love Rick, bring back Andy Probert!

--Jonah

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Posted by EdipisReks on :

i agree with bringing back probert. the refit enterprise and the enterprise D were the most realistic, most practical, and most detailed ships in trek ever, in my opinion. other ships like the akira class might be flashy, but they lack the realism that the probert ships had.

--jacob

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

More real? If you say so, I guess. Although I share a fine appreciation for the refit and the D, I'm not so sure they're the greatest starship designs ever, bar none, accept no substitutes, do not remove zig.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

How about: "Most consistent"?

--Jonah

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Define "consistent" in this context.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

...giving suitable references. Papers will be collected on Wednesday.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

"Consistent" in that everything inside and outside matches up well, that the vital systems locations and distribution networks are planned out and logical...

We've never had any doubts or issues about what's where in the E-refit or the E-D -- even if some later materials screw that consistency up (the torp bays in ST II). On the other hand, we are still debating the engineering status of the Akira class, from warp core(s) placement(s) to the obscene number and facings of the torpedo tubes...

There are other designers who can think things out like that, like Sternbach, and, with help, Eaves, but their designs somehow lack a little bit of the structural grace Probert's designs have...

--Jonah

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I love the (refit) Constitution-Class starship. It's so ... graceful, and beautiful.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

We'll use genetics to combine the best qualities of Rick Sternbach and Andy Probert into a single entity. We shall call it... "STERNBERT"!

...or "Probach". Whichever sounds less like a possible character for a popular office-based comic strip.

Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

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> I love the (refit) Constitution-Class starship. It's so ... graceful, and beautiful.

So does John Eaves, which is why the Sovereign looks like an updated version of it instead of a derivation of the Galaxy.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

The Sovereign-Class, IMHO, looks NOTHING like the Constitution-Class. Not that it looks any less beautiful because of that, mind you. Just saying.

Posted by BRUTUS on :

I'm torn. I for one dislike the direction Eaves has taken Trek...the shuttles and the Enterprise-E all "look like their moving when their sitting still" So basically they looks slicked back and sqaushed kinda....well not really. I mean they are all right, and there are some design ideas that I really like on the Sovereign that just got thrown in with a bunch of stuff I didn't like. But the Insurrection shuttles...yuck. It all seems like he drew them to look 'kewl'...anyone know what I mean? I'm not explaining myself very well. By the way, who designed the Ent-E bridge? I don't like the consoles very much.

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I very much like the Sovereign class. It combines the best design elements of the Constitution II, Excelsior and Miranda class.

I also think the Ent-E shuttles are the best looking of them all.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Yup, but as for runabouts, they should scrap or sell all danubes and go with the "Data's Scout". Talon-class, was it? One meter longer than the Danube, and "oh so stylish". (game ref.)

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

*feh* I prefer the Danube hands-down over the Talon.

And the Type 6, 7, and 10 shuttles to anything seen in Insurrection. After that movie, I wish more than ever that we'd seen Sternbach's Captain's Yacht, rather than the Eaves thingie.

Basically, my problem is in "over-greebling". There's too much unnecessary detailing on recent ships, which IMNSHO takes away from the aesthetics -- especially the 3D hull plating (begun with the 4' E-D miniature). There are other things that bother me about the Nova, Prometheus, Intrepid, Sovereign, Sabre, Akira, Steamrunner, and Norway classes, but I'm still trying to adequately define exactly what that is...

In any event, the ships we're seeing cranked out now do not feel as graceful or elegant to me as the refit Enterprise, the E-D, the Defiant, the Ambassador class, or pretty much anything from TNG. And definitely not as well-thought-out (excepting Dougie Drexler's hack-job on the Defiant).

--Jonah

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Well then I really feel sorry for you, not being physically able to enjoy the newest ships of Trek. I like Voyager and I LOVE the Prometheus.
I just wished they'd tied the four nacelles together in pairs, making the multi-vector deployment look similar to an X-Wing activating S-Foils. (Hell, maybe ILM wanted to do that with her, but had to restrain themselves so as not to have raging hordes of by-the-book trekkers tearing them to pieces for inter-scifi mating...

But the spread-out nacelles does make for an appealing target in a battle, and look what happened to the galaxy-class' nacelles at numerous occasions...

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[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited February 26, 2001).]

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Just for fun, someone should point out that this information A.) Isn't from the official Trek site and B.) Isn't from Paramount. It was posted at TrekWeb, for one, and is derived from a comment made during an interview by a high up at Decipher, the company that makes those trading card things that are so popular with the kids these days.

Though I do suspect it's true anyway.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

I'd tend to trust Decipher when it comes to stuff like that. They're working more and more closely with Paramount these days, now that they've got the lock on rights to produce card games, role-playing games, and miniatures for all series and movies, as well as recently buying out the company that maintains the Star Trek Official Fan CLub and publishes the Star Trek Communicator.

--Jonah

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I was almost right, and almost wrong. I think I had my eyes partially closed while reading that.

Anyway, the rumor, written by people who are not me, and presumably have both eyes wide open.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"[Series V] will center on the birth of the Federation and will be set in the time period just before the original Star Trek series."

Uh? Must involve a lot of flashbacks, then, if it's set in the mid-2200s and centers on the mid-2100s...

Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

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> The Sovereign-Class, IMHO, looks NOTHING like the Constitution-Class.

They're not twins, but there's definitely a family resemblance. Round deflector dish instead of the squashed "eye" of the Galaxy. Round secondary hull. Swept-back dihedral engine pylons instead of the "bent" pylons of Excelsior, Ambassador and Galaxy. Long, tapered nacelles, unlike Galaxy's stubs. Not that I mind. Never liked the Galaxy anyway. You can't shoot the model from many angles, like forward or aft quarter view from above. To tell the truth, I hate Probert windows, those long, thin vertical slits. Reminds me of being in an old castle.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

The aft shuttlebay and the pylons are more or less the only resemblance to a constitution class vessel.
The deflector is borrowed from the entrenched excelsior dito, as are the long nacelles with blue warp field grilles.
The lack of a real neck could be traced to the Intrepid-class. As for round (oval) engineering hulls, well, they aren't THAT uncommon.

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I reckon the Sovvie has more in common with the excelsior... it has VERY similar features... and its like there are two similar ships 3 times within the six Enterprises...

connie
connie refit

excelsior
sovereign

ambassador
galaxy

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