I know that for my part, I'd be willing to help out in any possible form needed. Shoot me an email or IM or something. We'll talk.

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Sure, I'd be happy to help out with the nitpicking and whatever else I could do to help out. I'm game.

e-mail: [email protected]

Mark

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Email: [email protected]

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I think I more than qualify. I run a popular tech-trek ship site that has nearly 10,000 visiters now, founded the ASDB Project with Bernd Schneider and Jason Colbert, and have helped on a number of other projects and sites. As for qualifications, I have designed two ships posted on my site, and helped on dozens of others. I own all of Todd Guethers books, most of yours, all of Erik Kristiansen's (Jackill), and have been reading them religiously for years. I also own the huge set and small set of the Avenger Deck plans, so perhaps I could help with deck layouts and such.

In short, I live and breathe Starships!
email: [email protected]

In addition, even if I am not chosen as a helper for your project, please include me in your list of people to contact when this work is finally finished (Dynamics II)! I can't express enough how elated I would be to acquire such a prize. (Is it on Movie Era Trek, too?).

Sincerely,

Lance Nutter http://thetrekker.homestead.com

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I own the following Schmidt publications:

Starfleet Line Officer Requirements,
Command and Operations, Volume 1
3rd Edition, 1st Printing, Revised Stardate: 8900.0

Starfleet Academy Training Command,
Line Officer Requirements, Supplement
2nd Edition, 1st Printing, Updated Stardate: 8870.0

I certainly have enjoyed these publications over these many years and mourn the loss of TOS movies related fan works. I certainly would offer some time for proofreading, etc, on ANY works you are developing.

email: psia [email protected]
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Purrrr....

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I would also like to throw my hat into your ring of assistance as a trekaholic nitpicker deluxe. I believe I meet all 3 of your requirements (I not only live and breathe Starship Trektech, I take injections 3 times daily- of course most just call it the internet ) At any rate I would like to offer my services in any way you see fit for the furthering of Treknology. Please swing by my site and see if there is anything there that might interest you. My work is mostly 3-D CGI and has tended to focus on interiors, and Starfleet station routines, (I love space stations, though I have experimented with a starship or two). It is also heavy into the movie era design philosophy which I admire the most.

Thanks,
Basill

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Ex Astris Scientia

 

eg: Basill (3dCG Engineer)
One of the things I want to do is have 3d renderings of the various compartments/equipment rooms. For example, I want to show a shield generator in its room. Not as a painted view as in the Star Trek Magazine, but just as you did those gorgeous Senior Officers' Quarters on your site. And of course with a person for perspective (not a barbiedoll like the aforementioned mag, but somebody real). And when appropriate, with a viewport (window). I have all the plan views/sizes ready for equipment.
Up for the challenge?

eg: Yakaspat (Internal Deck Layout Coordinator)
Although I think the plans are just about ready, one of my nightmares is that I've forgotten something important, or put in something stupid.

Mark, Fructose 1, Psia Meese, Fabrux, Shik, Gammera, NeghVar:
Failing specialty status, I may assign you to proofing - or coming up with new concepts.

As you know, these plans will have some 3d-generated imaging. I'd still really like to publish as a CDROM - there must be a way of making it copyproof (to the general public at least). This would allow 3d animation/rotation views is an LCARS format. Any skills like that out there? I've got the vessel and internal structure pretty much finished (I'll post some samples when I can), but there is always room for other talents.

Bernd:
Don't dispair about the lack of time. We can always assign a split-off project, of assign you to FINAL proofing. (Or a website... hmmmmm...)

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What's with all the age cracks people? I have a hunch I published the original before some of you were born. I'm 40. (30 of 9 + 1 ?)

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Lance http://thetrekker.homestead.com

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• figuring out solutions for technobabble


• ship names, tech names, tech concepts


• research (oh, I'm a GOD at research)


• any form of database work that might be needed


• ship & tech design. Although not so much CG, I can draw it & scan it.


• historical reference, timeline creation, planetary/system creation/ racial BG, etc.

I'll leave it to you.

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-Conceptualizing layouts. Especially bridges.

-Evaluation of material into existing Trek lore (i.e. coolness factor) and RL production constraints.

-Research. NO ONE has to tell me to watch Yesterday's Enterprise again.

-Arguing stuff. But then, that's a talent shared by just about everyone here.

Mark <--- Probably the only person here who knew who Segur was besides Jeff

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Shik: Research! You poor son of a Borg! Between you and my extant researcher (Tim the Webhound Palgut), I'm saved! Also, see above and below.
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People, its time to show MY age. Back when I was an attending Trekker (early teens to mid-twenties) and did the con circuits met the celebrities, attended meetings of my local club, etc., each and every club had a name. I have no idea if such is still the case.

Anyways... I used to refer to my little publishing company as "Starfleet Tactical & Design" - and would refer to it (in my works) as the branch of Starfleet responsible for the conception, theoretical design, construction oversight, and testing of starships, weaponry, and tactical maneuvers. Might as well drag it out of the closet (oops, that term has a new meaning now...). Especially if we get more than one project going. Does anyone participating in this group have an objection to ranks and ratings within Starfleet Tactical & Design? We would need an LCARS-style website (both to show others samples of works-in-progress and to advertise products), we'd need a logo, write-ups, bios etc. Of course this would be incidental to getting the work done, but all work and no play... This would allow all of you to contribute.

Or is the "club" concept just a little too 1970's for you people? I mean, I grew into Trek when it was a way of life (FIAWOL = Fandom Is A Way Of Life). This may be passe now.

Input? I'm easy, and we can do it any way you people like.

By the way, if I'm going to be working with you people, I'd like to know a little bit about you. Short bio and talent listing?

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Just let me know how you wish to proceed. I am at [email protected] . Give me a ring.

Basil

P.S. Thanks for the kind words regarding my art
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Some tasks will require sub-committes of two. And nit-picking arguments are what makes this FUN!

The 3d Ship Shots will be coming when I get the chance.

FYI: For the time being, I only have the web at work, and so can only respond during coffee breaks etc.

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Nguyen, Mark M.L. Currently a graduate student at the University of Calgary (Geography Department). 24 years old. Fluent in French (which gets you more girls than you can imagine). Avid fan of Trek, giant robots and swordfighting. Pleased to meetcha.

I guess if I were to have an in-universe personality, I'd consider myself a Civilian Tactical Consultant. The kind of guy who is brought in by Starfleet to test and evaluate stuff of tactical and practical use. Ex-Starfleet under mysterious cicumstances.

Mark

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This is my suggestion: Dave, it's your project, we are simply peons here. I suggest that we do as you say & email you a copy of a bio & Trek-related resume, highlighting talents & the like that could be useful. That would then give you the chance to decide who's batter at what & who should be the de facto division head; I don't think anyone would really mind working under the direction of anyone else here. It's pretty much a mutual respect-fest among us.

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Seriously, the whole point of the bio thing was so we could get to know each other. Doing it by email would just give it to me. Just don't post any sensitive data.

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Captain David J. Schmidt
Head of Starfleet Design & Tactical
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Below-the-Line Data:

40 years old, married (2nd time) with 3 kids.
Hobbies: Star Trek technical writing and design. Started writing/designing back in the eraly 70's.
Favorite Authors: Weber (Honor Harrington series rules), Heinlein, Niven, Pournelle, Robinson.
Old-time fan, going back to mid-70's (just watch "that 70's Show - I was Eric to nine decimal places).
And yes, I actually DO like Voyager. The show is 30+% crap - but Sturgeon's Law states that 90% of EVERYTHING is crap. So Voyager is ahead of the curve.
Employed as a computer graphic artist for a software development corporation. Alpha-male SOB personality.
Hoping to make a profit with this idea of ours, and quite willing to split the pie according to utilized contributions. Why? Because it is not about money - it's about being the best.

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(if you think I'm kidding, look at the differences in the artistic style between Starfleet Tactical Book 1 and my Deck Plans for the Enterprise-A. Pen-and-ink vs computers).

Seriously: Judging by the quarters you rendered, I've got the right guy. All we have to do is get a figure or two from a application like Poser, and then "paint" the new uniform on him/her (holding a PADD or something. Then you simply place said figure in your scene prior to rendering. In fact, I'll bet that prepared figures are downloadable as freeware (not as Starfleet Officers, but close enought to modify). I'll get our researcher to find a few (both genders) for you. What 3d software do you use?

Shik: See above. Fetch! And get me a title for you. And a bio, please.

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--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

Janet Schmidt (my first wife) married Roger Wright. They presently reside in Edmonton.

Robert Earl Day (Butch Day) was and is one of my closest friends. He resides in Seattle, WA. He is a BIG name fan - FIAWOL (as well as the smartest man I'll ever meet). If you are big in fandom, you know Butch. He is the person who introduced me to Gene.

I was the only one involved in the project, the others simply volunteered for a "Team" photo for book versimilatude.

Good point though. We might do the same for the next work, although we'd have to use individual shots.

I would also encourage team members to forward other product concepts. How about a "Battle of Wolf 359" showing the arrival, attack patterns and final resting/drifting paths of the various vessels? See my postings in the Wolf 359 Thread. Any other ideas? Those who work on a project get the credit/profits.

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Shik:
Could you find out? I actually don't want the persons to look like any show's character - generic would be best.

Jeff:
Thank you very much for bringing these to our attention. That Warrior does great work.

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"Yeah, my boss don't appreciate me, either. 'Igor! Go for brains!' 'Igor! Go for sandwiches!' I dunno...gimme another beer..."

I know exactly jack SHIT about rendering. BUT!!...there's a staff member of mine who does. I'll pose the question to him.

Re: bios. Understand your idea. Mine's somewhat different. Any good project manager needs division heads who can handle the task at hand. Never hurts to have the additional information.

Title, eh? Hmm. We'll assume this is the late 2290s or early 2300s, right? Bah. I'll think about it later.

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I don't know all that much about 3d rendering either, but here is what I do know (Basill or Jeff, correct me if I'm off-base).

Poser comes with basic character figures. These can be manipulated/posed at will, and then saved in other formats (ie: Lightwave), or simply rendered. Now, the clothing is not actually on top of the nude body, rather it is a different body. 3d artists like to build these to spec, and create the wrap-around color scheme (the texture map). Warrior's uniform/texture map is excellent - but is it his, is he willing to let us use it, or is it freeware? Or can one of us, using Poser or another 3d application, duplicate this if the answer is no?

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Or you could e-mail him (like I just did)and get the story without any mis-interpretations. [email protected]

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--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

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Shik, you seem to speak this lingo better than I do. Is there a non-public BBS which we could utilize for distribution of proprietary artwork/writing, so it would be secure to members of the team? We could still use Flare for general communications, I'm talking about exchanging files for proofing, etc.

People: Post your general bios here, but forward anything for my eyes only to: [email protected]
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Basill:
For now we will utilize a generic figure (low detail for faster modelling) from the web, and we'll cross this bridge later. If you or Jeff feel like asking Warrior, please go ahead. I will be forwarding the plan views to you of all the equipment/generators.

People:
If someone finds a suitable non-Trek placeholding figure, please advise.
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People: I don't want to post the samples of the deck plans for proofing. I would rather email a set to each - suitably watermarked. PDF okay?

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You can reach me at [email protected] (and I wouldn't mind a set of those floorplans either...)

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--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

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People:
As far as I know, here is how it is when it comes to Paramount and created product for sale.
1 - Prime Directive: Thou shall not use the word set "Star Trek" in any way or form.
2 - Secondary Directive: Thou shall not use a character in a story - although an oblique reference to one of the characters as part of a technical work is probably not a problem.
3 - "Starfleet" is not a problem. Star Trek used it as two words (the Star Fleet) - I (and most of you) use it as one. And there is ample usage of "Starfleet" in other science fiction. Including Star Wars. If Paramount wants to sue everybody using the term, Lucas will be first in line.
4 - "USS Intrepid" is not a problem. There have been wet-navy vessels with that name.

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Could you forward me a copy of your message to Warrior, so I don't say something you already have?

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Again with the problems of posting at the same times I sent Warrior an e-mail asking him for his permission (and also if might be interested in creating custom "meshes"), and I also posted his e-mail addie up yonder somewhere.

While I'm certainly not as technical minded as most of the guys here, would you be interested in perhaps a story set on an Intrepid-Class (featuring original characters, of course) which could perhaps illustrate some of the positives and negatives of the ship, not to mention sections of it that we haven't seen. Obviously, fiction can show things that the TV screen can't, and it would allow a more in-depth look as to a typical "day" about a Starfleet starship, up to and including a lot of the minor departments and inner working we have either never seen or only had tiny tantilizing glimpses of. This could be formated as a Federation "special interest" investigation into the inner-workings of a starship, or perhaps a Starfleet enlistment brochure designed to show incoming enlistees possible career choices.

Of course, I'd be more than happy to proof as well. I'm going to forward to you my e-mail to Warrior.

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Dave: I *knew* something was up when I saw "Printed in Canada" across the back of your books. And the fact that I could actually find them in comic shops & stuff through the early 90s. Actually, if you were at any of the later Creation cons in Edmonton, odds are I was around too. Do you know the Project Dinonychus guy, who did starship schematics for just about everything?

Re: Other projects... I'm cool with proofing and stuff, but I'm afraid I don't have *that* much time on my hands. But where I can help and consult, I will. The Wolf 359 project sounds great, but there's a whole mess of ships and factors that are unaccounted for. OTOH, odds are that they will *never* be accounted for now that Voyager is over and the next series will likely not be in the TNG time frame, so a project that fills in the blanks wouldn't be so in danger of being over-ridden by Paramount any time soon.

Actually, I once envisioned a Shockwave presentation of the Wolf 359 battle, with cute little animated low-poly ships and arrows noting where the ships were & went as time elapsed. Could've been neat. If a Wolf 359 project were to materialize, I'd suggest actually rolling it in with ALL Federation encounters with the Borg (including the various Enterprise incidents, The Endeavour's thing, and First Contact - but excluding Voyager) into one big Federation vs. Borg volume as a Tactical Briefing released from Starfleet.

Mark

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Mark:
1 - I've never been to an Edmonton Creation Con. I belong to the older generation of fans, these "made- for-profit cons leave me a little cold.

2 - The Wolf 359 idea is EXACTLY what I was thinking about, and I agree on all counts.

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Here on Deck Thirteen, Engineer's Mate Jon Carter, works at the Matter Reclimation controls, ensuring that Boylston's systems are working properly. Although this duty is not glamerous, it is neccessary to work one's way up in the engineering section. For Carter, who graduated from Enlistment Training three months ago, it is a welcome challange. "I've got such a variety of duties, everything from warp coil maintenance to shuttle repair. This is a great job, and I get to see the Galaxy too!"

Just an example of what I'm thinking of. The finished work would have an actuall story-line to it, showing off the various officers and enlisted as they work at their posts during a normal day, a scientific survey mission, or perhaps an emergency rescue or relief effort to another starship or a colony.

I would prefer to actually do this as a "fiction" addition, although I'm sure doing a voice-over would be feasable (although I'm not that good at writing VO stuff, so that might be tricky).

One good way to do it, at key stations and equipment throughout the ship, the browser could click on an icon, and a short blurb would appear, telling about the station, and the officer (or enlisted) who crew it. Assigning individuals to these blurbs would be a good way of "humanizing" the experience, although it would require a) naming the ship and b) actually talking about Starfleet's hierarchy in terms of officers and enlisted, something which TPTB like to skirt over quite a bit.

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OTOH, stuff like personnel logs, testimonial evidence, and so forth could be incorporated with a legitimate feel. The Aliens movie (Colonial Marines) tech manual had such a premise, which worked to a degree. Between the two, I'd suggest this latter option.

Mark

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The who to the what?

One of my ideas is that "story" could be encompased as perhaps a recruitment effort by Starfleet -- to show how various enlistees work and serve aboard an Intrepid-Class starship ...

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--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

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People:
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I acquired your SfD book from Lance last year. I love it! And it makes me proud to say "I am Canadian!"

Anyhoo, as for ranks, I suppose I'd go with Lt. Cmdr. Or maybe even just Lt. Or Ensign. Whatever suits your fancy. After all, you're the boss, boss.

I consider myself a jack of all trades. I dabble in just about everything, from proofing to writing to drawing to rendering. I design ships, but to me the moust fun about designing a ship is doing all the nitty gritty technical details

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quote:

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The Operations post controls the starship's resources. The Operations officer is responsible for a wide range of duties, ranging from useage of the ship's sensors to the duty roster and a multitude of tasks in between. The Operations Officer aboard the USS Intrepid is Lieutenant (jg) Keith Marin.

The job of Operations Manager is reserved for officers, who either come through the Academy or OCS. This will be Lieutenant Marin's third starship assignment, and his first as Operations Manager for an entire starship. "It's a lot of responsibility," Marin says of his duties. "Even on a ship this small, with barely one-hundred and fifty people aboard, it's a full time job -- and I say that even though I've got a staff of four other officers under my command!"

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Aboard the USS Intrepid, it is Chief Petty Officer Galeton N'ell's job to make sure everyone aboard is well stocked with whatever may be needed. As the Ship's Quartermaster, N'ell, a Homalganisa, is responsible for keeping the ship stocked with whatever supplies might be needed at any moment, including the ordering, stowing, and record-keeping of these supplies.

"It can be a tough job," N'ell, the senior NCO aboard the ship, said. "I've been in Starfleet for about twenty-seven years now, and this is my second assignment as Quartermaster. It's very fulfilling to know that I'm essentially the Intrepid's business manager, if you would. I would recommend the Quartermaster Division to any incoming recruits interested in a career in management or business when the leave the service."

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A brief description of the job, whether that job is performed by an enlisted or officer, and a quote (and maybe some trivia -- in this case, that there is a staff of 5 ops officers on an Intrepid-Class ship).

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I'd like to see some new printed Treknology stuff. The only new stuff in recent years has been that put out by Federation Frontiers. They only make very limited use of colour.

In another thread you said:
"By the way, I read in one of these BBS that my old work is listed on eBay. ... Should I give someone a call? I've got BOXES of those things left..."

Okay, so what have you got boxes of? I've got Starfleet Dynamics but nothing else of yours. Gimme a price list and you'll probably be able to part me from some money.

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Wow, I am humbled by the magnitude of this project already. To be honest, I'm not sure what skills I can bring to the group, in light of all the highly qualified artists and experienced people here!

Basically, I love Star Trek, of course. My fav has always been fandom Trek, the universe illustrated and framed by Todd Guenther of Mastercomm, David Schmidt of the Starfleet Academy Training Press, and his primary pubs, Dynamics and Prototype, Eric Kristiansen, aka Jackill, and his primary three part series we are all familiar with, and Alex Rosenzweig and Mike Rupprecht's Avenger/Miranda blueprints and fictional backstory. Dynamics is by and far my favorite, and I even sacreligously refer to is as my "bible" (the Officer's Bible is printed on the back cover). During the reign of DS9, I fell in love with the modern Starfleet, and, over the years constructed vast data bases, detailing ship construction and names and registries, and have compiled it all on my web site, TheTrekker.com (http://thetrekker.homestead.com). My site is a humble Starfleet reference site, and owes much of its existence to Bernd and Jason Colbert.

I would love to participate in this group, and I would love to be incorporated into whatever "club" David feels would be best. Perhaps I could simply be a proof reader?

My bio:

Name: Lancy M. Nutter
Age: 23
Marital Status: Married, no kids or pets.
Occupation: Retail Manager
Education: 3 years of college
Hobbies: Designing starships, reading starship books, surfing the web, drawing and writing scenarios related to starships, editing my starships web site, and such. I also read popular fiction, most war thrillers such as Tom Clancy, Harold Coyle, and the like.
Personality: Easy going, "sensative type", talkative, animated. I consider myself a realist, and take an objective view to life, or, try to. I'm a firm believer in the concepts of modern humanism, and as such am an atheist. Politically I'm independent, with leftish ideals.
Hopes for the future: To be a good husband to my wife, build a home, have a good stable job, and always drive a new Subaru Outback (just ask Fabrux)! :-)

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I have always had a hunch that the distributors of the last two products didn't do a very good job of advertising same. Maybe the time has come to unload them. Anyways, if you want a copy of them, I'll work out a good price FOB your coordinates.

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Bernd Schneider
33 years
currently working on Ph.D. in electrical engineering (that's what I meant with having no time)

Interests/skills:
Analysis of Treknology
Nitpicking
Starship design critic *g*
2D CAD (mainly starships)
2D artwork
Web design

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Ex Astris Scientia

 

Jeff Benson
22, working on degree from Towson University

Writer & Creator of Star Trek - Gamma Quadrant
(Writing is the one thing I do really semi-well on a computer)

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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

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quote:

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b) actually talking about Starfleet's hierarchy in terms of officers and enlisted, something which TPTB like to skirt over quite a bit.

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This is something I'd be interested in working on. No one as yet *really* knows about Starfleet's bureaucracy and I'm sure that some fans out there (at least me) would like to see what it might actually be like. Of course, I could also proof, nit-pick, and do other sorts of treknological goodies.

Been awhile since I've been here. Good to be back.

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-Dark Helmet, Spaceballs

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But here we go, and I will admit my "starship" maybe smaller!!

Dave Vogel age 25

Head of the Imperial Starbase Socity Technical Committee we put out a semi annual pub called Jimbobs Hardly Used Starships (semi annual in the Seattle area means Rustycon, and NorwesCon!! three months apart!!!)

Eat breath live by the words spoken by the profits Okuda, and Sternbach (read as have ST:TNG and usfull and corect parts of ds9 tech manuals completely memorized, and know where to look stuff up if not in mememory!!)

Consider Berman, Piller, and Braga to be the anti-crist (ok i know it is not a requirment but it sounds so good to true fans)

Can model useing Maya, (draw back is I don't have the xfere softwear so you can use the models in studiomax or lightwave.

good technical writer, not a good technicial speller as you may have noticed

I live in Seattle (I see that Treknophile lives in Vancuver)

E-mail [email protected]

Treknophile if you are interested in using me give me an email and I will send you a copy of our last jimbobs
 

Oh, and Treknophyle, I believe the book is called Starfleet Prototype, no? I'd love to get a copy from you.

Warped1701: Haven't seen you in ages! Drop me an email or an ICQ messge or something.

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- Garak, "Empok Nor"

 

Jeff:
Ultra Magnus' concept of the "guided tour" is excellent! I certainly couldn't write it, but with all the talent we have here to help you (such as Basill & Gammera with 3d shots), I'm sure we'll do it! (it may just be our most popular product).

Ultra Magnus:
Thank you for the idea.

Team:
I am finalizing the 1st Table of Organization for the Team. We propably have enough members now (including my local friend and long-time researcher Tim Palgut - who hopefully will introduce himself online). I'll get back to you ASAP on this.

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Uh, a 'concept by' line would be nifty. Not that you have to, of course. The only requirement I have it that it kicks ass. Which it sounds like it does.

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-Darkstar

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I think I got everyone - but if I forgot someone (or if I didn't realize you had volunteered to join the team), please advise. I have selected Lance as the XO, as his skills seem to lend themselves to the administrative (mine sure don't).

I am posting the TO&E as a jpeg.

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I've just been notified by Dave that I have the honor of being the group XO. This means I am responsible for distributing materials, and organizing the group into a cohesive team. Ouch, sounds like a chance to flex my retail management muscles in a distinctly Star Trek flare!

That being said, Dave has asked me to distribute his color blueprints of the Intrepid Class thus-far created to the following individuals:

Bernd
Fabrux
Basill
Mark
Fructose 1
Shik
Gammera
NegVahr
Jeff

I have Bernd and Fabrux's email addresses, but the rest of you please email me so I can get the prints out to you. Do all of you have WinZip? It will greatly reduce the size of the pages, they are quite large, the total size of all four images is 3.42 MB.

Please, all email me a page stating "ready for transport", and I will "reply" the images back to that address you send me.

Thanks.

Psst: These images are BREATHE TAKING! However, they are NOT to be distributed to the public. Dave does not want even our closest friends to see them. If they are found on a web site, the entire team will be disbanded. So, by emailing me your address, you are agreeing NOT to distribute these images. Thanks! ;-)

-Lance Nutter, XO
aka Yakaspat ;-)

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-Darkstar
 

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- Garak, "Empok Nor"

 

WinWAR? Where do I get this from? To be honest, though, I use WinZip extensively, and have no problems. Email me a link, though, Chris, for me to check out. If you guys wish, I will send it to you uncompressed. It only took about 8 minutes to download from my mail server.

Let me know.

Lance

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[email protected]

Lookin' forward to it.

Mark

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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"

- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

I am downloading WinRAR now, and will use that format. Thanks.

Lance

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People:
Here's a thought. Assuming I can find one, would anyone be willing to scan it and PDF? I am willing to let this one go web. Low-rez scans would be fine - the artwork was all pen & ink, and none of the text was fine.

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Gottit. Okay, let the record show:

1) The Intrepid Class should have Type X phasers, yes or no?

2) Rick Sternbach said in the Sternbach Forum at new.startrek.net that Voyager "is an explorer class starship, howbeit the smallest of the type". This I interpret as "Light Explorer", in keeping with the LUG classification system, which jives well with the TNGTM Type Table and those used on the series.

Have-at-you!

:-)

Bernd, Fabrux, Basil, and Mark should all have received copies now.

Lance

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I went away yesterday at post #21 and came back to two new pages! Whew. I was thinking activity would be low since David was limited to coffee breaks. I shall not make that miscalculation again.
Well, I have sent my Ready to Transport E-mail to Lance, but just for convenience it is [email protected] .

As for my bio, not much too it:

Name: Gregg Drye (my cat's name is Basil-It is also my favorite spice-hence the cat's name)

Residence: Nashville, TN USA

Age: 30

Education: Bachelor of Fine Arts (only took 10 years -Actually I just loved school that much) Ironically enough, everything that I have posted on my site was learned later & independently on my own little Mac. And, I have learned quite a bit since most of that.

Personality: Still trying to decide that one, he he. Actually, very friendly but shy and generally non talkative (only because when I do talk I tend to ramble-genie in the bottle syndrome). This is why I actually like Message boards; it forces me to think about what I am going to say. ooops... I'm rambling.

Interests: Dedicating 93.5% of my conscious thought to the mythos that is Trek, although I am currently enamored by Stargate and Farscape. Although I have many, many other interests, I was infected by a love of space and a sense of scale at a young age. It seems for me, all perceptions pass through the filter of Trek. Some of those other big interests. The Sciences (especially astronomy, physics, and biology), History, and Philosophy (my Minor in college). Most of these interests grew out of, you guessed it, Star Trek.

Employment: currently interviewing with the Nashville Public Library system. Government wheels ... they turn slowly.

That is all I can think of that is of any interest. I am better at answering questions asked of me than volunteering data. (and I ramble)

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Work has been hell these last few days...

My email addy is: [email protected]

Looking forward to seeing the pics! As for my skills, I have been a TrekTechHead for the last 20 years...and my proofreading skills are excellent.

Thanks!
Art

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Spoken in Klingon, with a distinct Scottish accent:
"If it's not Klingon...It's crap!"

Any suggested changes to the TO&E should be posted here.

Basil I don't mind this nick-name, I can SPELL it)
On the deck plans, you will note a section which shows all equipment from an upper plan view. Most of it is just short of 1 deck tall. Although I want the 3d-detailed view to be somewhat conforming to my plan view, I would be most interested in your 3d conceptions. Could you try the following:

- force-field/deflector screen generator
- quantum resonance imaging scanner

In each case:
- try to place a standard stand-alone console nearby (you know, the ones on a pedestal). With a generic person for scale if possible.
- place them in a gray compartment without windows, but possible with structural support (vertical and oblique) members showing raised on the bulkheads. Doors woould be nice too. Actually, just use the same room/console/person, and change the device. Colors will require some discussion. For now, use your imagination, and memory from the show.

Good?

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*ahem* My previous "bio" was a bit lacking, so let me flesh it out a bit ...

My full name is Jeff Benson, I am 22, and I'm currently a history major at Towson University in Baltimore (although I'm thinking of switching to either Criminal Justice of PoliSci).

I've been a fan of Star Trek since I stumbled across a first season ep of TNG back in '88. "Wow, he's pale!" I thought of Data! I was rather fortunate in that I was friends with Russell Bailey at the time (third grade, I think, and we're still friends, although not as close as we were back then), and his father, Dennis Bailey, is a HUGE Trekkie, and co-wrote the episodes Tin Man and First Contact, so I got to meet all kind of people at cons -- including a lasting friendship with Howard Weinstein, I've met Mike Okuda, and a lot of other Trek writers from the DC/NY area.

I started writing Trek stories early on, although I was always missing one key thing: plot. I would literaly just START writing, then get stuck and move on. The first story I actually wrote (beginning, middle, end) was a Star Wars story, focusing on a bunch of fighter pilots (who coincidently happened to be named after friends of mine), who had to go and sabotauge an Imperial outpost.

My second story that I completed finished again, with my friends as characters, about the Starship Valor and her dangerous mission on the Cardassian border ... sadly, this story has been lost -- I can find no computer or hardcopy of it, and this saddens me. =(

I've always done well in english classes, and took a "Writing Science Fiction" course last spring at TU with sci-fi author John Flynn. Currently, much of my creative writing time has been wrapped up in Star Trek: Gamma Quadrant, a series set after Deep Space Nine.

Although Voyager is my least favorite show, I am rather fond of the Intrepid-Class vessel. It has a much more "open" feel to it than any other Starfleet ship I've seen (no doubt due to those big windows all over the place!).

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Name: Erick R. Munoz
Age: 24
Marital Status: Married, no kids or pets.
Occupation: C-141 Pilot, USAF
Education: 4 years at Air Force Academy
Hobbies: Model building (mostly Star Trek), reading SciFi - mostly Asimov, computer games, a little web design too.
Personality: Easy going and not to excitable. Enjoys spending time at home working on all of my too many 'projects.' And LOVES flying.
The future?: Be a good husband. And to keep on flying some more.

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It doesn't matter if you don't know what you're doing as long as you look good doing it.
 

The images should be up at 11PM Wednesday night, EST.

-Lance, XO
Stragetic Design and Tactical Group

(that's our groups name, cool, huh?)

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-Darkstar
 

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Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted)
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

oops...yes, I did get a 4.0 in college english, too....heehee....oh well.

Lance

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Having some trouble w/ the website. It's hard to isolate WHICH diagram I want to pull up -- they're all kind of jumbled together, and the top one (when I can find it) sends me to an error page ...

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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

I will now start to sift through what David wanted me to concentrate on and see where we go from there. Who should I contact when I have something tangeble? David or Lance?

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Name: Grant Kerr
Location: Concord, CA, North American Continent
Time Zone: Pacific Standard Time
Age 32 (soon to be 33)
Marital Status: Single and seeking the right local man.
Occupation: Customer Service Clerk
Hobbies: Used to do a lot of sketching (sometimes of a starship or two), but thats slipped to the way side. I used my graphite to sketch starhips and such, ala pre-production sketches.
All around trek freakazoid, anal-rententive nitpicker from hell.

I best friend, Chris, from High School used to be quite handy with IMSI FLOORPLAN 3.0 for the purposes of starhip deck plans. Excellent interpretion of consoles, etc. He enjoyed printing them and binding them for great presentation. He got pretty damn good and taught me a few things. I have been mulling over my intepretation of the Office Complex from TMP for about a year now.

Chris also liked to right history's and technical data and I would peruse them, play devil's advocate to what I saw and read. I will direct him to this thread as well. Don't know if he would have the time/interest or not. But think he might be a positive contributor to this or future works.

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G*D D*MNED HOMESTEAD!

Okay, here is what happened...

First, I tried emailing the files to you all...that overloaded a few peoples in boxes and one has a MAC. So I posted them to my site. But the HTML text scrolled down the page vertically instead of horizontally, making the links jumbled. I fixed that, to the present state the page is in now, only to have Homestead refuse to publish the one file, the biggest one. When I went to reload the image, Homestead decided to close its services for the night! So, I have emailed the first image to all of those I have expressly been given permission to give them to, ie, those who have been welcomed into the group by Dave in this forum. Tomorrow I will finish uploading-slash-screaming at my computer, and all future group members can then access the images from that page. Again, all are now on the site, save one...which I hope to get up tomorrow. Sorry.

Lance

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As for the bio:

Name: Chris Dennis
Age: 20
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Jewelry Sales Rep
Education: At the moment I'm a Junior at Texas Tech University, as an English major. That's not gonna last. Considering either Management Information Systems or Psychology at the moment.
Hobbies: Reading books, usually Trek or David Weber (gotta love Honor Harrington novels!), surfing Trek sites on the web, watching recorded Trek eps, playing BC3K, tinkering with Photoshop 5.
Personality: Thinker more than a talker. Just have to get my ideas on paper or ingrained in my head before they disappear. ST fan since I was about 8 or so. The tech has fascinated me since I bought "Guide to the Enterprise" by Shane Johnson. Yeah...the details were off, but the diagrams were pretty cool. But IMHO, the TNGTM beats any other *official* publication with a stick (read DS9TM). Though I admit that my dad's original hardcover Franz Joseph manual is cool.

And just in case it's been missed, I'm interested in working on Starfleet's ranking structure, and heirarchy. Always wanted to know how they were *really* organized. Instead, I can help make it up!

Of course, I'll also be glad to proof and nitpick wherever there's an empty hole to fill.

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Respectfully propose that all further concept details be handled via email...unless someone wants to throw up a dedicated blog.

I'll read everything later when I'm less tired & less angsty.

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Mark

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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"

- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

Just a thought.

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"I rather strongly disagree, even if I share the love of Dick. Speaking of which, that would be the most embarrasing .sig quote ever, so never use it."

- Simon Sizer, 23/01/2001

I will make the emblem my priority. I am thinking of a hexagonal basic shape, as a contrast to the usually triangular or round emblems.

BTW, very nice work with the deck plans!

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"Species 5618, human. Warp-capable, origin grid 325, physiology inefficient, below average cranium capacity, minimum redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities."
Ex Astris Scientia

 

The shield still has to be filled with something that is characteristic of the group (Intrepid image?). There would be some space left for a (Latin?) motto too.

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"Species 5618, human. Warp-capable, origin grid 325, physiology inefficient, below average cranium capacity, minimum redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities."
Ex Astris Scientia

 

On the subject of distribution, I got my copy of Starfleet Dynamics from Intergalactic Trading Company (online at intergalactictrading.com or scifistore.com) and they used to list Starfleet Prototypes until I order a copy and they realised it was out of stock. Did you mainly go through a distibutor or did you mainly deal with traders directly? I had some contact with Federation Frontiers a while back when they were looking for UK distributors/traders and I pointed them in the direction of a few but I don't know what, if anything, came of it.

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Here's my idea for a name: We can call ourselves the "Trek Tech Think Tank", abbreviated to the "T4 Group".

Edit: Could also mean "Tac Tech Think Tank" or "Theo Tech Think Tank" for a more in-universe sort of name. Sub in "test", "train", or other suitable one-syllable T words at your convenience. Same acronym.

Mark, Civilian Tactical Consultant

[which could mean Chicago Transit Commission too]

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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

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ATTN:
I'm setting up a mailing list for the group. Anyone who has expressed his interest but hasn't received a confirmation should contact me at:
[email protected]

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"Species 5618, human. Warp-capable, origin grid 325, physiology inefficient, below average cranium capacity, minimum redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities."
Ex Astris Scientia

 

Dave named the group "Strategic Design and Tactical Group".

-Lance

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Anyway, for latin phrases. How about something like "Agnitio pro tutamen", or "Knowledge for Defence", as a starting place. And yes, I had to look that up.

Mark

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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"

- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

Ultra Magnus/ID Crisis:
I unpacked yesterday, and found a box of Ptototype and E-A Deck Plans. I'll come up with a fair price, and look up international mail (unless you want FedEx). Money Orders work best for me.

Basil:
Why don't I send you higher rez shot of equipment sheet? or Adobe Illustrator 1.0. Post test results on site. That way all can see and comment, and we'll get a final "look" faster.

Jeff:
"Grammar Design & English Control"? - to the dungeon!!!

Grant:
If I thought your friend could do the entire deck plans in 3d perspective (or "walk-through"), I'd do handsprings. (Lance would wet his pants).

Lance:
Relax Number 1, computers don't like me either. Murphy Factor. And regarding the T4 concept - we could us it as a byline in the shield.

Chris:
The Ranking Structure and Heirarchy concept is great! I played with something like that myself once. Talk to Fructose 1 (he's the real-time military guru - but remember people: NAVY).

Shik:
Once again, I stand aghast and in awe of your technological fortitude. I'm sure you're right. What is a blog? Is that like a BBS? I'd rather have a closed BBS than use email.

Vogon:
Nice Acronym.

Bernd:
Nice start to the shield - but let's think outside the box. Higher tech. And just between us team-mates, I always disliked the basic Starfleet Arrowhead symbol. What about the one Geordi wears as captain of Challenger? Text-wise, I like the LCARS look from my deck plans (inside a frame?). As Shik would say: "I dunno". Just keep 'em coming. When I designed the logo for my company, It too over 50 designs before the suits liked one (which is why they put caffiene is Coke).

Mark:
Theoretical...Tactical...Testing...Threshold... Keep working on it. See note to Vogon.

(whew...)

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Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
 

Mark:
"Agnitio pro tutamine"

For further lessons on Latin cases go here: http://user.tninet.se/~dfr732s/romanes.html

Dave:
The arrowhead was just some placeholder. I'm still waiting for more input.

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"Species 5618, human. Warp-capable, origin grid 325, physiology inefficient, below average cranium capacity, minimum redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities."
Ex Astris Scientia

 

[protects nards]

A blog is a sort of online diary / BBS / message board, which people can e-mail to and have the results displayed on a website. Nice utility to have.

And "Trek Tech Think Tank" said fast, over and over, is a great way to make people dizzy. Or get rid of siblings. Or both. Anyway, I'm gonna break out the thesaurus and find some more words.

Mark

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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"

- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

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"Lately I've noticed that everyone seems to trust me. It's really quite unnerving. I'm still trying to get used to it."
- Garak, "Empok Nor"

 

Cart. Horse. One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.

Logos, mottos, group names, ranks, etc.--all fine, well & dandy. But it's minutiae. Let's get crackin' on the task at hand; the eccentricities, vagaries, & ultradetails of geekdom can be handled after the fact.

Dave (do you prefer "Dave" or "David?"): Don't be in awe; I'm ballsing it just as much an anyone else.

"Blog" is short for "weblog," a CGI script on a site that allows the user to post whatever random thoughts run through their head at whatever time they desire. Many folks like me have one on their person site, & I intend to get one once I move to a new server. Perhaps in the interim Bernd, Lance, or someone else would like to host one; I highly recommend Greymatter over Blogger. However, worst case scenario, we start a Blogger-powered one & it gets hosted at Blog*Spot.

Shiki's Final Thought: We've got a lot of good talent here, a lot of good raw power. It's time to focus it. I suggest that we begin to finalized who's heading what, working with who, & the like. Then we can figure out exactly where to start.

Geek resum� forthcoming; maybe I'll write it at work depending on who's closing tonight,

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The part I personally like is to gin-out new items or ideas, then put them forward for examination & review.
Not too organized, but other people are good at that.

Talk it over with Lance?

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I am currently sketching some ideas (I still love paper) before I start committing to my 3-D software, but that never takes long. My first technical question though: Are the shield generators merely responsible for the generation of shields and deflectors (i.e. they relay energies to emitter dishes and grids throughout the ship where needed) or do they play a direct role in the emission of the fields themselves (i.e. they are the central core of overlapping fields)? This might affect how I interpret the outer shape and details on this particular piece of tech.

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Basil's Homeworld Dinosaurs,Elephants,Whales,Sea Vessels, Zeppelins,Starships... I just love big things that move

 

In the novel "The Mote in God's Eye", the Langston Field Generator did indeed radiate its effect from the generator itself (thus the generator had to be placed at the ship's center), but that does not seem to be the case in Starfleet vessels.

Higher-rez images for these en-route. I will leave it to you to come up with more than one idea for the solid view of these generators, and then we will debate as a team. Personally, I note that Federation technology tends to be built as modules, and the shapes of said modules are usually simple solids - cubes (rounded), cylinders (with rounded ends), etc. With the use of cut-outs (such as in the walls of the Sickbay), this can be made to look quite high-tech, without being too complicated.

If I have time, I will gin-up a view on my conception.
Anyone else?

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I am in agreement with the way shields work, also believe they are an integral part of the cloaking system on those races that possess them (the reason why shields are down when cloak is up).

second thing...If we are going to use an "Arrowhead" in the design...how about splitting it vertically, half as normal, the other half showing the inner workings...

Art

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"If it's not Klingon...It's crap!"

I will have the images up on the page tomorrow at Midnight at the latest. I have had some problems with my server this week, not sure why. The new page and password will be mailed via the new mailing list tomorrow.

Okay, I have the honor of being the Team XO. Meaning, I suppose, I am in charge of administration.

So, all technical questions should go to Dave, I believe.

Dave, do you want to continue use of the Board, or move to the mailing list exclusively.

Bernd Schnieder is in charge of the mailing list. Any new members, please contact me, with "Add to mailing list" in the subject line. I will then ask Dave for authorization. If approved, I will have Bernd add the new member to the mailing list.

Question: We now have 26 members. I say we draw the line here before this gets to hard to maintain. Dave?

Any admin problems go through me. Email me with any questions you have, I will sift them up to Dave. I really need to know from Dave my own parameters. What are my powers? Responsiblities?

Now, we all have real lives. I work 50 hours a week, minimum, and I have only been married to my beautiful wife for three weeks. So, between social life, work, and other real life concerns, I have a difficult time squeezing things in. So, be patient, I will get back to everyone. I am mostly available Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays. I hope you all understand.

So, recap:

1) Dave's Images will be up Friday night.
2) Bernd is in charge of the mailing list.
3) Lance is in charge of admin., coordinating tasks, and answering operations questions.
4) Dave is in charge of all, and is the senior technical personality of our group.
5) We need a list of persons (Bernd has this Dave), and a table of abilities, specialties, and tasks, along with email addresses and times-of-contact. Who should build this?

In short, before we get into the technical operations of our project, we really should establish a heirarchy and operations workbook.

Seeya guys Saturday Morning, I'm busy all day tomorrow, but will get the images up by midnight.

-Lance

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Real name: Jonah Rapp

Age: 26

Location: Huntington Beach, California

Significant Other: Happily engaged for nearly two years.

Occupation-like pastimes: Part-time student, full-time Treknologist and Trek historian, aspiring writer of stuff, and maker of uber-detailed deckplans.

Schooling: Eclectic and varied, including stints at community colleges, the Fashion Institute of Technology, and the University of Maryland's Asia Division.

Hobbies: Building models, painting miniatures, sewing, computtering, cooking, music, movies, reading, drawing, sculpting, driving.

Trek history and aptitude: I grew up with re-runs of TOS, and always liked it, but it wasn't until one moment in Star Trek IV that I reached critical mass (end credits -- musical downbeat accompanying shot of Saratoga cuts to light strings over shot of Kirk and Spock walking along the Golden Gate), and I've been lost ever since. I have everything on tape, except a significant portion of Voyager, and despite not having a DVD player yet, my DVD library is underway. I have a rather impressive Trek library, with more hard-to-find works than I really thought until I actually tried to find some of them for a friend. And posessing the annoying little genetic brain defect that results in eidetic memory, I've got more Trek-related information floating around in this cranium than anyone I've ever met.

Anything else?

--Jonah

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From another E-mail sent to some one else
"ok the best way to solve other then to just let it go, is to have jon draw out complete scaled deckplans
these are to inlude
all command areas, bridge enginering secondary command areas
all crew quarters, without intrnal arangment
all labs cagro bays and shuttle bays
all consumables storage tanks/lockers including duterium tanks, antimatter pods, waste recyling, replicator mass matter storage tank
all transporters including systems adjacent to the transporter room
torpedo launchers, including torpedo storage magazines
PHASER mountings, and support systems including EPS relays and conduits
Defelector generators, and associated distribution conduits
all sensor bays
sick bay and all other medical spaces, including isolation, dental, morge
all utility accesses, jeffries tubes, eps conduits, odn lines, waste conduits, life support trunks, gravity generators, and gravity waveguide conduits
computer cores, including all subproccessor trunks
impulse engines, warp engines, RCS thrusters, and all related systems, and conduits
escape pods
holodecks and other recrational systems

I know Im forgetting someting but well handle that later."

 

Once the new board is up and running, we will move our group there. I agree, until then, let's use this forum. I'm sure capps won't mind, it helps ratings, yes?

Lance

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The page is now up and running properly. The first image has had to be reduced is size, as my server will only allow 900KB jpeg files, nothing larger. So, I had to reduce it. The image quality is the same, but the text has suffered in the data box. Those of you who want the full version, email me, [email protected], and I will email it to you. Sunday afternoon I may upload a ZIP file of the larger version for download from the page.

The page is top secret, I am emailing the password to you all.

-Lance

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I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the Intrepid design would be vulnerable to a suit alleging infringement of trade dress. Trade dress is a form of trademark protection which deals with the total appearance of a product. So even if you don't say "Star Trek" on the packaging, it's still infringement because everybody knows it's Voyager in everything but name.

It will be easier for them to find David Schmidt now, too. He's already posted here, so his IP address is logged. One subpoena to his ISP and they might cave and reveal where he is.

Just raising some questions before everybody gets too involved in this.
 

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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

Name: Ryan McReynolds
Age: 21

I was 6 when TNG premiered, and I watched nearly every episode in its first run. I can remember watching TOS reruns before then, with my dad. I got interested in tech fandom around age 14, I now have most of the major pieces of literature (Ships of the Star Fleet, Starfleet Dynamics, Star Trek Maps, and so on) though I lack some of the minor pieces. I started posting on rec.arts.startrek.tech at 16, and I'd like to think that by the time I left about a year ago I was one of the more knowledgeable people around there. I study physics recreationally, so I enjoy rationalizing Trek tech. I'm also a student of philosophy, particularly humanism. Scholastically, I've tried a few things... Studio Art, Aerospace Engineering, and now I'm undeclared... but when I return to school in the fall I think I'm going to go for English. Not because I'm lazy, but because I want to write. That about covers the high points. Oh, my favorite Trek is TOS by far, followed by DS9, with TNG third and Voyager fourth... though I confess to not having seen much Voyager since season four. My local station lost it's UPN affiliation last season, also.

-=Ryan McReynolds=-
 

Geek resum� posted.

Now, what EXACTLY are we WORKING on here? It looks like the Intrepid plans are pretty much completed. So where's our work, right?

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David had discussed doing this in CD-ROM format, and that was something potentially very dangerous. Doing printed material might tick off Simon & Schuster, but they're the only official licensee for books and related material. I already pointed out that a CD-ROM would tick off quite a few more companies, including the various companies that do CD-ROMs and games, which could bring a lot more complaints to Paramount, so they might have no choice but to act.

Don't delude yourself into thinking Paramount would want to license it just because "it's good." Paramount responds to one thing: money. To become an official licensee, you'll have to cough up over 5 figures. Maybe everyone involved in this can pool their money for the fee, but I'm not sure this project would ever make it back, especially since Voyager is the least popular of the shows and is coming to an end.

Maybe a free website might be safe. Paramount has shut down a few before, but it's hard to tell. Try to make money off it and you might get hit by a cease and desist order in no time.

[This message has been edited by Tech Sergeant Chen (edited March 10, 2001).]
 

At least, that's what I thought...

LOL

Lance

PS. Apparently my f*cked up page is fully loading two of the prints. I am working on it right now. Should be fixed by 4PM Saturday EST.

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Otherwise, I wish you all good luck and hope you keep the forums posted (and also provide lots of nitpick material to discuss!! )

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Ah well. Next time. I'd only be good at proofreading & making up explanations for technobabble, anyhow.

Treknophyle: I live in the Vancouver suburb of Coquitlam, and I'm interested in getting copies of Prototype and the Ent-A blueprints, and you say you've recently found a box of these. Since I don't have your email address, could you please email me at [email protected] (real name: Nelson Eisel) if/when you've determined the "fair price" for your two works?
 

Starbuck: I'd like some help with externalinternal detail shots of Intrepid rendering. I am using a program called Carerra. I want this puppy to rotate etc. Interested?

Re'k: Hi neighbour. I'll be nack at this thing on Monday. I'll gladly sell you what you want, and we'll see about making a place for you. Since I've been fairly strict with Lance about the numbers of proofers we need, this may take some time - but you won't be cut out of the loop. Star in Flare.

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Wouldn't it be neat if we could walk around and meet each other virtually in a Starship? Like Rogue Spear on net? Comments?

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Mark:
Good point. Key is to be.. low key.

Zor:
Don't knock the Ent-D plans too much. He suffered from a lack of dedicated nit-pickers.

Ryan:
Howdy.

Shik:
"Kike Crank"? I won't speculate...
See Lance's comments.

Team:
If we ever do get bought out, I promise that all contributors will be co-authors, and that nit-pickers will have starus as consultants. - Dave

Signing off until Monday.

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The Star Trek Concordance was done in a whole different time. Paramount didn't really consider Trek to be their sacred cash cow back then. Also, Dorothy Fontana was already part of the fold, having worked on TOS. There's a good chance there was some intervention by close friend Gene Roddenberry.

None of this is applicable to an outside group in the legal climate of late 20th/early 21st century as seen by Paramount.

*Yeah, it's one thing to make an obvious copy and try to sell it for money. But a free copy is different. We don't make any money off it. They could sue us for all our 'earnings' but there wouldn't be any. The most they could do is force us to shut down the site.*

A free copy is no different. In the eyes of the courts, infringement is infringement, unless you can claim fair use, which is not applicable in this case. Paramount can do more than just take your earnings. As David is a "previous offender" (having received one cease and desist order from Paramount already), they can argue to the judge that they need to send a message. That points the way to punitive damages.

I'm just saying be careful. So far, I haven't seen any lawyers in this group, and it may be advisable to consult a trademark or copyright attorney.
 

Folks -- I'm trying to gather information on the various departments and sub-departments aboard the Intrepid-Class ship. I've already got most of the basics, essentially right now I'm looking for some "big" departments I might have missed, and as much "sub" science departments as you can all think of (i.e.: "Stellar Catography" is a sub-dept. of Science, etc.)

Thanks!

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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?

I think the idea of an online environment would be cool, if hard to achieve. Certainly a Doom-like segment would be good - say, phaser practice - but the expansion pack for Elite Force seems to be edging in on this idea.
What we probably could offer instead of that would be more interactive panels - say, a useable transporter, or the chance to fly a shuttle.

I know a few people who might be able to help with crew models (which could be done in Poser) and their props and clothing - I think that a handful of 3D artists is all we need, but we'd probably want a wide range of talent. For example, I can do simple props and scenes, but I couldn't model a character worth a damn.

Anyway, just my two cents' worth. Feel free to give feedback, discuss, contact me... whatever This is going to be BIG!

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It's now pretty much accepted that Intrepid is not NX-74655 but rather NCC-74600.

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BTW - Beginner Max 3 user, good with Truespace. Just for everyones information Cant animate though
 

--Jonah

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--Jonah

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Each Starship has a few "Departments", which are generally grouped by similar tasks/responsibilities. Colored tabs/uniforms represent these different departments:

Red: Command, Conn.
Gold: Engineering, Security, Ops.
Blue: Medical, Sciences, Ship's Services, Communications.

These are further sub-divided into "Divisions", and there may be many different Divisions under a Department. Every ship has the same Departments, but the Devisions aboard a particular ship will differ from vessel to vessel, depending on that ship's particular mission/role. A small vessel like the Thruxton Class (Prototype) may lack a shuttlebay altogether, so a Deck-Hangar Devision or Auxillary Craft Devision. This example need not be nit-picked, since I just pulled it out of my arse for the sake of a simple example.

This was how I viewed Trek departments until Voyager mentioned the "13 Departments". Perhaps they were referring to "Devisions", or, devisions are often referred to as "departments" in passing. Or, there may be more Departments, like 13.

Red:
1)Conn
2)Command

Gold:
3)Engineering
4)Engineering-Damage Control
5)Ops
6)Ops-Aux. Craft Operations
7)Security

Blue:
8)Medical
9)Ships Services
10)Communications
11)Sciences-Biological/Botany/Chemistry
12)Sceinces-Computer Systems/Sensors
13)Sciences-Astrophysics/Cartography

In fact, I REALLY like that listing of Departments! I may stick to this.

UPDATE:

Bernd will be developing a Stragetic Design and Tactical Group web site.

Daniel has been elected Second Officer (to be confirmed by Dave).

Ryan and J are appointed to Writers.

Dave V. and Basil, I believe, are our 3D modelers.

Other titles will follow.

Dave, maybe we should create "Departments" for the group, and assigne members to each?

Lance

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Spock was a blue-shirt, but Sulu wouldn't dare try and give the man an order. Likewise, if McCoy tried to take command in a battle, no-one would listen to him.

Yes, those are old examples, but they bear weight. Also remember that Dax -- a blue shirt -- was next in the chain of command on DS9 after Kira.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that medical staff ranks bear less importance to the chain of command. Honestly, I think the shirt colors are there more for easy identification of a person's assigned department or division, and not a contest of "rank and shirt color!" An important distinction to note, I might add.

"I'm a Commander! I outrank you!"
"But I'm an ensign, but I wear a red shirt! Nya!"

And for the contention that "gold" officers aren't in the direct chain of command, I would point out that Lt. Commander Data is the second officer of the Enterprise, and the two officers next in life (Lt. Commander LaForge and Lt. Worf) are also both gold-shirts (well, Worf's a red-shirt now, but during the series he was a gold shirt for 6 out of 7 years).

Data has done more then "audit" the Command Course -- he's taken it, or he wouldn't be that high up in the chain of command! Third in command of a Galaxy-Class starship? No, the only way someone could reach that position is by proving they can become first officer or captain if the situation requires it.

And Geordi and Worf, by your theory, would also both have taken the Command Course -- they wore red uniforms in TNG's 1st season. I would then submit that your theory is in need of revising

Also -- the Training Department was left out of the list. Yes, this is a canon department -- in TNG's The Naked Now, the Enterprise's Training Department orders all officers to attend a lecture on meta-physics.

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Dental falls under the Medical department, although the ship's CMO is presumably a surgeon who commands the entire department.

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--Jonah

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Mark

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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

I would also point out that any Chief Engineer worth their position, should know how to rotate those responsibilites amongst the department. No Engineer should be "too good" to change the light bulbs. The 'peon mentality' SHOULD be gone in Starfleet.

If you insist there are 'lesser' Engineers who perform basic technician work-like changing a light bulb or repairing a Replicator in an Ensigns quarters-'enlisted' (i.e. non-officers) exist in Starfleet, they have been established as such. Ex. O'Brien of TNG.

Perhaps there actually ARE 13 departments (not divisions as suggested) now. I prefer to stick with whatever has been represented, rather than follow modern military structure/terminology. That's too easy. Use the NAVY terms, as suggested, only if it has actually been duplicated in a VOY script.

It's ok to review what we've seen/heard thoughout the 7 years of Voyager.

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Fructose 1:
In the 24th century, I can't see having one doctor curing everything from sprained wrists to neuroplague, but he needs another specialist to work in the mouth. With regeneration, any doctor can be a dentist.
And I agree, Support sounds better than Ship's Services.

Folks:
Regarding the Deck Plans and Prototype - I haven't found out how much it will cost to ship to the UK and elsewhere. Once I do, I will sell these things at $20US (the original price) + Shipping. Fair enough?

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Just to confirm. That is NOT me listed in Yakaspat's post, correct? (I hate having the name Daniel, 'cause everyone else seems to have it too.)
 

Opinions?
 

Treknophyle:
Starfleet Prototype? Rings a bell, but I don't think I've seen it. What was in there?

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I have about 20-25 left here in Canada. I do not know if the ones I left in the US at a friends have survived.

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I'd certainly take a copy of the Ent-A plans.

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Also, I deal with Canada Post every day at work, I'll grab some info tomorrow on international package shipping.

--Re'k of Xenex / Nelson of Coquitlam

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Merci Grando. Or something.

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-Darkstar

- Dave

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Product:
Deck Plans Ent-A = 20.00 US
Prototype = 20.00 US
_____________________________________

Packaging (padded envelope):
Prototype = 1.00
Deck Plans Ent-A = 1.22
Prototype + Deck Plans Ent-A = 1.22
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International Shipping (Air):
Prototype = 6.63
Deck Plans Ent-A = 6.63
Prototype + Deck Plans Ent-A = 13.26

International Shipping (Ground):
Prototype = 3.35
Deck Plans Ent-A = 3.35
Prototype + Deck Plans Ent-A = 5.92
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US Shipping (Air):
Prototype = 3.48
Deck Plans Ent-A = 3.48
Prototype + Deck Plans Ent-A = 6.11

US Shipping (Ground):
Prototype = 2.63
Deck Plans Ent-A = 2.63
Prototype + Deck Plans Ent-A = 4.62
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Canada Shipping (Ground):
(Must be worked out on a per-area basis. Advise me on quantity and postal code, and I will phone the post office).

If you want some of them, e-mail me at [email protected]. I will ship as soon as the money order/wire has arrived. We seem to have about 20 of each on hand - better count to follow. As I said before, there may be more in Seattle - but I have to get there to check in my friend's storage.

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I also wanted to reserve a copy of the Prototype book since it is the only one of yours I don't have. I'll be sending an E-mail in a few, but feel free to hold one for me in case they start getting swallowed up.

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"You Can't Win untill you're not afraid to lose"
 

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Use this for now, until we can get a proper poser uniformed figure.

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Just wondering what was happening 3D wise?
 

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So basically Id be able to back up the other 2? modellers.

Dave
 

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-Darkstar

Obviously, we will give credit if we use it on a website, but if we use it in a product, he would rightfully expect recompensation - %.

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As for Sarod's Voyager, not sure, Bernd has had some dealings with him about one of the ASDB designs, Maybe he would know
 

As for D-S, you are already a member, man. Is this Dave Smith? All the ASDB Members were incorporated into the Strategic Design and Tactical Group. I will email you the page and password. Bernd and Dave are working on a new site, due out shortly, I believe.

Lance http://thetrekker.homestead.com

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"Strategic Design and Tactical Group"

Please post future comments there.

Please and thanks.

Lance
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