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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

I bugged Rick about Friendship 1. Here's what he said:

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Nah, didn't use the Phoenix. The idea here was that you'd have a big deuterium
tank, with the instrumentation at the nose end, and the smaller cylinder at the
aft end would be the antimatter pod, very crude by 24th cent. standards. In a
manned vehicle, the pod would be jettisoned if there was a problem, and during
cruise phase it would trail behind on a mag-shielded umbilical, for safety
reasons. The nacelles were, well, nacelles; there wasn't much to do with those
beyond slapping them on the sides. The logo was an early version of what would
eventually become the Starfleet logo; there was a big blue United Earth globe in
the center, so it *wasn't* the logo from later centuries.

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Mark

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

So what he's saying is that the delta was used as the pre-Starfleet logo, then it was used only as the Enterprise-nil's symbol, and then it became the symbol for all of Starfleet?

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Somehow I still find that a little too hard to believe as the arrowhead had the exact same shape as we currently have now. If the arrowhead usage originated from the past, I think it's shape should be at least a little different.

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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

Well, why didn't the idiots make it clearer to see? Y'know, if they made clearer some of these little things, we wouldn't have half as many wild temporal-causality loop discussions as we do now. Oh, wait, that's a bad thing, isn't it?

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

I sure would love to get a look at that United Earth logo if there are any shots available. (Especially since my current web project is a complete history of the Romulan War -- so far I've only used the traditional UN logo of today.)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

It's possible that, when SF was assigning emblems, they looked through old records and the Friendship-1 delta happened to be one that they picked. It's just a coincidence that it happened to be the one picked later for all of SF.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Since both the Enterprise crew "arrowhead" and the clunkier TOS Enterprise pennant "boomerang" have been used as starship pennants, the former both before and after the latter, it would make sense that there were some other variations of the design in use in other times as well - wouldn't it?

If there were five or six variants of the "delta" symbol during the history of Earth's starflight, then it would be less of an anomaly if one of them went in and out of fashion and then in again. Perhaps SEVERAL of them did? Perhaps the "boomerang" was worn on uniform chests at some time, while a simple triangle was painted on ships? And perhaps a very steep and sharp arrowhead was worn on uniforms when the "rounded arrowhead" last served as starship decoration, in the 2260s?

If there were several such combinations, then it would only be logical that we'd see a couple of variants, a couple of repetitions, and then in the 2270s a slow solidification into a single, refined form of the symbol.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I'm surprised that no-one here knows that the arrow/boomerang shape has to do with the energy needed to go to warp.

I really loved it when they turned it sideways on the 29th century badge. In a way that adds the timetravel variable to it.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Actually, that was mentioned in another thread. But that idea is taken from a novel Star Trek:Federation, great book btw!
It can�t be considered canon. Or is this from another source, altair?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Someone told me on a convention years ago, I cannot remember where it is from...

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