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"I said 'You are, you are,
The only one who sees.'
I said, 'You are, you are'
The only strength I need.'"
---Kim Leaman, "Mary"
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I don't like Wesley Crusher.
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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"We have a good arrangement. He supplies the weapons, I use them."
- Blade
Paramount has finally made it official in a press release from Paramount Network Television: the next 'Star Trek' series will titled 'Enterprise'. The show will star actor Scott Bakula as 'Captain Jonathan (not Jackson, as previously believed) Archer', "a physical and intensely curious captain with a bold personality." Interestingly, this limited press release DOES NOT confirm that the series' premise is, in fact, a prequel; however, if these long-speculated rumors are true, you can bet the rest of it is unless there's a huge curve ball coming.
That was from http://talk.trekweb.com/articles/2001/05/10/989546996.html As you can see. Paramount DID NOT say it was going to be a prequil series.
As for a NCV registry, that's a 29th centrey registry number prefix for Federation time ships. HEY! I had a thought! What if the rumor about Series V being a prequil series IS true. Sort of. What I mean is that if the NCV-1701 Enterprise is indeed a timeship, (With a registry starting with NCV it SHOULD be a time ship) maybe the pilot and a few episodes afterwards takes place before the birth of the federation. Not the entire series. Are you following what I'm saying? Like the pilot starts out with the U.S.S. Enterprise going back in time to investigate a mystery that baffeled the Federation for centeries and while they were doing that, they botch up the time line big time!
I also have a thought for what the U.S.S. would mean on a federation time ship. How about the United Space-Time Ship (fill in blank). It would make perfect sense because the ship travels through both space AND time......
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BUT: I'm won't be surprised if it turns out to be an elaborate scheme to mis-inform the audience. I certainly hope so. I'm not a big fan of the prequel idea, but I will however give such a series a chance.
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Let's swing this back towards the Starships topic.
Leaving the specific technologies we're gonna find in the 22nd century aside for a second, what kind of ship do you guys think this "Enterprise" likely to be. Big? Small? A "flagship"? Old? New?
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"And as it is, it is cheaper than drinking."
-DT on arguing with Omega, April 30
-Torpedoes, captain?
-No, transfer aux. power to holosuite!! They won't anticipate that, hahaah!
-Torpedoes now, captain?
-No, we could kill them with that. Prepare to start prepearing a pseudo-evasive manouver!
-Aw sod it, I'll do it myself! *boom*
-Huh, we won. But you'll go to the brig for that, young lady. Young boy, escort her to the brig. Young security officer will know what to do with her.
-Fine, whatever, as long as we're alive.
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No phasers (back to the kitschy lasers!)
No holodecks
No replicators
No Starfleet logos
No "USS" or "NCC"
No "1701"
No Warp 7,8 or 9
No arrowhead-communicators
No LCARS
No glowy things, except for the 'Buzzard' ramscoops
Hopefully, they'll adhere to Jefferies philosophy: "Keep the important stuff inside".
But since Eaves seems to like to show of hardware, this is unlikely. Thank god we still have Okuda to give us sets and a decent computer interface.
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Fuck all those gun-toting
hip gangster wannabes."
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You know, Prakesh, I can't help but feel that the majority of this list is just really stupid nitpicking (sorry -- but...).
No arrowhead communicators? Who cares? They were always used inconsistently thoughout TNG, DS9 and VOY! Sometimes you'd have to tap them to open a line of communication, sometimes not. How'd those damn things work, anyway?
No Starfleet logo? The horror! The horror!
Oh my dear god, we won't have the top three warp speeds. The show will suck without those. It can't be a Star Trek series unless you can get to warp nine point nine nine nine nine seven.
Cool! No replicators! Maybe we'll have a cool cook goin' around. Methinks this could also lend itself better to story ideas ... "Captain, we need to send a landing party to the surface to get some food supplies... it'll be dangerous..."
Unless the USS and NCC designations were in use BEFORE Starfleet was created, and simply transfered over from whichever organization was using them before. Would make sense, since Starfleet seems dominated by Earth. "Hey, we're going to create a unified military. As a show of grace, we're going to donate Earth Fleet's fifty ships to Starfleet..."
Did DS9 have 1701? No. DS9 did great. Let's not go around assuming the series will suck because the Enterprise's registry isn't 1701.
No LCARS? Who cares?
No glowing things? Maybe some stuff in the engine room, but, uh, ... ? Who cares ... ?
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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Don't kill me, I'm charming!
In all honesty, I am hoping for a NCV-1701 Enterprise or, as corney as it sounds, a NCC-1701-G Enterprise or something like that.
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:::sighs::: IS it me, or are we getting stupider in here. Oh wait. Colleges are letting out...which means schools are letting out.
That explains it.
"You've got a brain, son. Use it for something other than filler to keep the air pressure from caving in your skull." --Kenny Bell
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"Boinky ensued, and a great time was had by all." --Book of Nigel, Chapter 4, verse 32
And just to drive this board crazy, they could go and insert a picture from the Prequel series in the Special Edition DVD.
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Anyway, regardless of what the new ship looks like, it's hardly the first time they've revised an Enterprise. Remember, the E-C looked nothing like its model on the E-D conference lounge wall... Wasn't that one reason why they got rid of that mural thing in the fifth season?
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Omega, that's an interesting thought about the senior staff being the only officers aboard, but somehow, given Trek's enlisted track record, I think we'll still see some nameless ensigns getting blown up every week ...
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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The whole concept of Survivor is that nameless adults go at each other and try to outwit each other. In reality after the first episode of the show, each one will make a least over a thousand dollars for making appearences on some talk show. The first survivor, the Gay Guy now works at E.T. as a Survivor Consultent, where he gives advice to the new survivors. Not only did he win a million dollars that he now makes twice as much as what most of us make in 5 years.
I highly doubt that hes gay, made his own son run, and walk naked around the site. It was all tactics to get him win a million dollars. Right now I bet hes fucking some girl. Jerry from the second Survivro is something because everyone talks alot about her. The whole concept of Surivivor sucks, and it should end with the second one.
This became a Survivor rant? Or is that your sig?
Those points were *not* things I don't like about the new ship.
It is more of a checklist: the new ship has to adhere to these points to be believable. It was just to show that they'll probably screw it up.
Just a little misunderstandment.
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Fuck all those gun-toting
hip gangster wannabes."
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
The admittedly non-canon Spaceflight Chronology, an official tie-in with TMP, says this was not a sublight ship, but a Declaration-class starliner with a cruising speed of Warp 3.2.
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"Fuck L Ron Hubbard and fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
hip gangster wannabes."
-Tool, Ænima
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Lister: "Cat, what are you doing?"
Cat: "I'm courting."
Lister: "Courting who?"
Cat: "Whoever shows up!"
-Red Dwarf, "Me�"
hmmmmm. A starliner named Enterprise. Wheather this info is correct or not, the ring ship was the ONLY enterprise that was cruising the galaxy before TOS. Unless Bermen decides to destroy more Star Trek continuity. A 'prequil' series would HAVE to take place on this ship. But a super slow, apparently non-starfleet (I'm assuming it's non-starfleet because it doesn't have any starfleet markings. IE: a registry number.) starliner? *sigh* That would be kinda lame.
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"We have to get drunk immediately."----Gattaca
Could someone tell me where someone says, "this is the only previous starship Enterprise?"
Or, did you forget the NASA shuttle Enterprise? God-damn NASA, destroying Star Trek continuity! The BASTARDS!
You guys must've had a fit when Saavik was played by two different people. Or the Klingon ship's bridge changed between III & IV.
Chill.
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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The TNG bas-relief went from nuclear carrier to Constitution. No shuttle, not ringship, nothing. Nothing before the carrier, either. So fidget room exists.
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"Boinky ensued, and a great time was had by all." --Book of Nigel, Chapter 4, verse 32
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"We have to get drunk immediately."----Gattaca
As a matter of fact, the US navy has had two aircraft carriers named Enterprise. So the CV-6 (the original non-nuclear carrier) is already missing from the TMP display. Who knows what else might be...?
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Lister: "Cat, what are you doing?"
Cat: "I'm courting."
Lister: "Courting who?"
Cat: "Whoever shows up!"
-Red Dwarf, "Me�"
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"Boinky ensued, and a great time was had by all." --Book of Nigel, Chapter 4, verse 32
Anyway could it be possible that Starfleet did build a another Enterprise before the TOS version? Of course the ship will have a different number possibly in the three digit range. This is possible because why would anyone count that ship as being THE newest Enteprise anyway. In that same REC room they don't have the other carrier Enteprise, which in my opinion is a more famous one than the nuclear one.
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The whole concept of Survivor is that nameless adults go at each other and try to outwit each other. In reality after the first episode of the show, each one will make a least over a thousand dollars for making appearences on some talk show. The first survivor, the Gay Guy now works at E.T. as a Survivor Consultent, where he gives advice to the new survivors. Not only did he win a million dollars that he now makes twice as much as what most of us make in 5 years.
I highly doubt that hes gay, made his own son run, and walk naked around the site. It was all tactics to get him win a million dollars. Right now I bet hes fucking some girl. Jerry from the second Survivro is something because everyone talks alot about her. The whole concept of Surivivor sucks, and it should end with the second one.
In OUR history, CV 6 had a more distinguished history than CVN 65. No telling in the Trek universe. 65 would have been still in service during the Eugenics War and possibly World War III and might have racked up a very impressive combat record.
I was always under the impression that the Klingon bridge changed because Scotty was one goddamn miracle worker.
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Lister: "Drop dead, Rimmer."
Rimmer: "Already have done."
Lister: "Encore."
-Red Dwarf, "Kryten"
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As has been pointed out earlier, the Enterprise-D's mural had an Enterprise-C that differed fairly significantly from the actual Ambassador class model. In addition, it neglected the "Declaration class" starliner and the NASA space shuttle. The refit Enterprise's pictures showed the aircraft carrier, shuttle, starliner, and original Enterprise.
However, the Enterprise has a proud history as wooden naval vessels. http://home.att.net/~enterprise1701d/sailships/ is a list and description of some of the early sailing ships named Enterprise. None of these were ever illustrated on the mural or pictures (although one was portrayed in the holodeck scene of Star Trek: Generations).
I'm mentioning this to make the point that the possibility of a pre-TOS/pre-Starfleet Enterprise that is not a "Declaration class" starliner existing is plausible. We've never had anyone sit down and completely list all the Enterprises of history anywhere in Star Trek.
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God (using a Devil hand puppet): Yaagh! I'm the Devil! I'm evil! I'm spooky! I'm dark! And I'm evil! Gimme an "E!" Gimme a "V!" Gimme a "U!" Gimme an "L!" What's that spell? Evil! Goooo EVIL!
Devil: Hey, yo, that shit ain't funny!
--from Tatsuya Ishida's Sinfest
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I think I once suggested this already, but I think the TMP display could be "grouped". Each of those five display screens could be more than an inert painting. Instead, each would portray the full histories of ships named Enterprise and belonging to a certain category. The first one would display sailing ships Enterprise. The second one would display modern warships Enterprise, including the three carriers and possible other seagoing modern Enterprises. The third one would display primitive spacecraft Enterprise, including the space shuttle and potential other craft. The fourth display would then show advanced spacecraft Enterprise, including the ring ship plus umpteen others. And finally, the fifth display would show the first starship Enterprise, before her refit.
The level of detail would increase display by display, while the number of vessels would decrease - from the dozens of sailing ships in the first display to the single starship in the fifth.
And the previous user of this display had simply left it so that the fourth screen displayed the ring ship, instead of the soon-to-become-famous hero ship of Series VI.
Timo Saloniemi
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"Boinky ensued, and a great time was had by all." --Book of Nigel, Chapter 4, verse 32
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"Fuck L Ron Hubbard and fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
hip gangster wannabes."
-Tool, Ænima
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I don't like Wesley Crusher.
BTW: it DOESN'T violate seeing Koloth, Kor, and Kang with bumpy heads in DS9, yet smoothies in TOS. Does it now?
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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
How this invalidates Worf's comment is that Berman & Braga have now said Klingons have always been knobbies, consistent with what GR said. If so, then that whole scene in T & T doesn't make sense anymore.
Unless the Klingons from TOS were all surgically altered to be smoothies, including Kang, Kor, Koloth and all of their personnel. Then later they were returned to their original appearance. Why? Who knows? B & B couldn't care less and they've said so. See Bernd's editorial at Ex Astras Scientia. Enterprise is off to a bad start and it hasn't even aired yet.
And if they've always been 'nobbies' a way to explain Worf's comment and the smooth heads might be - the Klingon Empire went through a 'fasion craze'... probably by some Ferengi... where everone was filing down their 'ridges'... I'm sure not everyone will be wanting to reveal that Earth had a thin leather tie craze in the 1980's!!
Another explanation... still a 'plaugue'/'virus' but that it's the opposite effect - for a few years nearly all the klingons's ridges began to reduce - maybe a problem with their ships!?!
Maybe an Emperor at the time had been smooth headed - and in 'respect' Klingons everywhere began filing down their ridges.
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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
MIB, I'm with you. I'm dreaming my little dream about Enterprise (STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE) being set in the future. Sob.
I think they are killing Star Trek with this show - and they know it - why else would they have left "Star Trek" out of the title?
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Kryten: Pub? - Ah yes. A meeting place where people attempt to achieve
advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of
fermented vegetable drinks. - Red Dwarf "Timeslides"
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The whole concept of Survivor is get your average Joe and put him/her on the show and see how they react. Afterwards even though they did not win they make money by appearing on shows. There is no point in having to win a million dollars! They will make that amount in 2 months after appearing on 100 different shows!
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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
Sounds painful. And unsanitary.
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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."
Samuel Hoffenstein
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
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"I don't poke my head into business world too much. All I care about is making the show. And naked stuff."
- Joss Whedon, creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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"A celibate clergy is an especially good idea because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism."
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"And as it is, it is cheaper than drinking."
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I just finished "The Abyss - DVD Special Edition" and am feeling pretty filled with joy and love!
And those white submersibles always looked cool, so I'm relating here...
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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."
Samuel Hoffenstein
I guess Berman & Braga want to recreate Star Trek in their own vision. "We're going back to the fundamentals of Star Trek [mean while throwing out everything Roddenberry established]."
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Why should Zimmerman & company come up with something new when they can just use stuff off the shelves? Just because controls from the '50s look ridiculous today doesn't mean today's stuff will look ridiculous in 150 years, right?
If Majel is so upset about Enterprise, does this mean we'll finally get a series without that annoying computer voice?
You know, there once was a dream of Trek seat belts, but it was so fragile that if anything more than a hwhisper was uttered about it, it would vanish!!! So come, let us whisper for a while...
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"Babies haven't any hair;
old men's heads are just as bare;
between the cradle and the grave
lies a haircut and a shave."
Samuel Hoffenstein
quote:
UPN 9 News in New York City aired this segment May 23, 2001. Despite their promises of "extensive coverage" of the finale, and a behind-the-scenes look at Enterpise, their Trek coverage was even shorter and fluffier than usual. There was no Enterprise coverage to speak of. Don't know if they were lying in their promos, or an expected interview didn't come through.
*sigh*
Well, back to waiting to see what the 22nd century might look like.
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"And as it is, it is cheaper than drinking."
-DT on arguing with Omega, April 30