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okay it looks like endgame is gonna have pretty fireworks if not a good original story line.

the trailer shown cubes, spheres, some borg yard?-possibly
a fleet of starships led by the promethius
and neigh'vars!
what are the klingons doing there anyway!?!

don't tell me i don't want to know.

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

I can confirm seeing 2 Negh'Vars, a Prometheus, a Nova, and an Excelsior. Apparently the fleet used in the final episode will consist of 18 ships.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

miranda too hehe
and sabre
that spec at the bottom---deffinately sabre

Posted by crobato on :

Hmm, Borg assembly yard. They're starting to be influenced by Activision (known as the Assembly Matrix in the Armada game.)

Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

Did I see an Akira in there too? It looked kinda small...

My guess is that they pulled out their Starfleet CGI library and stuck in all the ships they could find so they could effectively shout "WE'RE HOME!"

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Just saw the preview from Endgame, and a lovely news report from the station that airs it here in Los Angeles. Aparently, Vice-Admiral Janeway is onboard that Type-9 and says that she is bringing Voyager home...

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

I'm gonna have to wait for the digitized trailers (Boyager airs on Saturday where I am) but it certainly sounds like a fanboy spoogefest...

Mark

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

There're apparently at least two different trailers. The one I just downloaded from Vidiot has a Type-9 running from a Negh'Var, and what appears to be a Nova firing on two more Negh'Vars from behind, but none of the aforementioned fleet scenes.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Yeah, the only one I�ve seen, from section31 courtesy of Vidiot didn�t show any of the cool scenes you�re all describing, nor did mediatrek. Where is this second trailer?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Looks like a slightly different shuttle to me!

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The pylon structure is definitely different, and the nacelles seem smaller. Perhaps the shuttle got a bit bent and squashed by all those disruptor beams?

Weird that the CGI folks would go to the trouble of making these minor modifications. If they did this to the shuttle, what about that Nova, then? Perhaps the aft view does not do her justice - perhaps the bow now sports six muzzles familiar from a certain DS9-related publication...

If not, then that Nova captain sure has guts. Never mind that the Negh'Vars look tiny compared with the shuttle, they still look just as big as usual compared with the Nova!

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Here is a picture of the Nova:

Looks like the Nova finally got a visible impulse engine. Also there seems to be a dome on top of the bridge...

I've also put a circle around the shuttle, which seems small enough to me compared to the other ships.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Yeah, the bridge is definitely different - perhaps somebody took the "pre-damaged" USS Equinox model and repaired the damage to the best of his abilities, and mistook the "sunken" bridge structure for a damaged area? (With Rick still breathing in everybody's neck, I think he would have been consulted, though!)

Other possible differences: where are the cooling vanes (?) on the nacelles? Did Ransom's crew add those to the Equinox when their engines overheated, or something?

Okay, the shuttle looks acceptable in this view - it's the ones with the shuttle closest to the camera and the Negh'Var's tailing that seem to use false perspective.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Actually, that's a cool shot. I hope to see more screencaps like that soon.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :

Agreed, this is a modified Nova, check out my screencap: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412328/bas/novarear.jpg

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Look for more screenshots here in about half an hour.
I've got some other things to do first...

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

It is curious how none of the spoilers so far have mentioned the Klingon angle. It's been known for a while that a Klingon character was on the cast sheet. And yes, the only promo online right now is the Nova-only one. At least that I've seen.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Okay, I've got 16 screengrabs of all the interesting ships seen in the Vidiot promo.

Prepare to see some huge spoilers!

You can find them here: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nightwing/endgame/

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

A couple of random comments:

I love what they've done with the Nova! This can either be taken to show that Starfleet's been upgrading the design in the 25 or so years that have passed - or then as a proof that the general design is being used in a variety of roles (Borg-killer testbed and surveyor being just two out of many). Perhaps this specific Nova is outfitted as a patrol ship of some sort? I think we all can guess who her captain is...

The Negh'Vars seem to be unmodified from their DS9 regular-universe appearance (or are the underwing pods a bit smoother?), yet their size might still better match those "Voodieh-class" ships from "All Good Things..". I can see the Klingons might wish to upgrade their fleet, but really! Wasting ships of this size for chasing a shuttle? A swarm of BoPs would have done the same thing, representing a similar degree of humungous overkill while expending fewer resources.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

The Negh'Var in 'Way of the Warrior' isn't that much bigger than a Galaxy class. The Voodieh (sp?) type in 'All Good Things...' are about the same length as the Negh'Var.

But I agree with the overkill of two of those ships going after a single shuttle. But the shuttle is bound to survive and a Nova class is attacking those ships... I think the Klingons have progressed less than the Federation when it comes to fire-power and shield strength.

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Posted by crobato on :

I had a fanfic that made the speculation of a Nova class patrol ship. I had it written at the end of April and started posting it early May. It's actually the second episode of my Athena fanfics (I only had posted the first episode in this board.) Here is the chapter:
http://trekbbs.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000953.html

"He looked at the roster of ships. He recognized a few: �Butcher� Boussard�s Akira class USS Hiryu, Hoesch�s Aegis class USS Boise; Masako Maeda�s USS Vanguard, another Aegis ship. There is a flotilla of Spearhead class scouts, and one of the names he recognized was Tadeo Masaki�s USS John Glenn. The Spearhead class is a new improved Nova class scout, with enough changes that they decided to give it a new class name. Basically, it replaces the main hull with a new streamlined spearhead like design, with slightly longer and more powerful warp engines. The new hull, which gave it its name, could house more sensory equipment, personnel and armament than a standard Nova class ship. Along with the Spearheads were Nova class ships, both the original science ship and the A refit. along with Nova A class ships. Although the original Nova class was small it was expensive due to the being loaded to the gills with state of the art sensors and scientific equipment. Starfleet saw the potential of the design for a low cost escort frigate and police ship, but a lot of the equipment used on the Novas were useless for such work. So Starfleet commissioned a stripped down but heavier armed variant called the Nova A refit. They supplemented the Defiants and Sabres in escort and increasingly, in front line duties, but are best known for internal police duties, where their size and �friendlier� image proved more useful."

Then the fanfic goes on, with the Novas along with Prometheus class ship, and other shipos like Sabres, Akiras, Steamrunners, Norways, to battle the Borg, including Cubes, Diamonds, Spheres and a Sphere of a new design, and a Diamond of a new design, in the midst of a Borg colony that includes Borg bases such as ship assembly matrix.

The Aegis mentioned is my own invention, an Intrepid variant joined with a smaller scale Sovie type hull, swept back upward warp pylons, with nacelles similar to the Sovie/Promie/Nova design fashion. The idea is a hull that's fatter on the rear for more shuttles, no complicated adjusting warp pylons, and a commonality with the warp engine design with the nacelles of the Sovie/Promie/Nova---reflecting an updated engine design. Far from a super ship or a beauty queen, it's basically a recon scout that's cheaper to build than a standard Intrepid, offers more utility space and easier to maintain with less complexity.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

This is why I don't read fan fiction.

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

What's that little rod/pod thing in the Nova image above? (Right between the starboard nacelle and the primary hull.) It looks like part of a Negh'Var (the second one?) but it also looks like it's actually connected to the Nova.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Look at the other pictures, it's part of a second Negh'Var class ship.

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

Oh god. i hope we get some names and registries...my ship list is getting increasingly bored.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Still no one with screencaps of the Federation fleet, other than what we saw in the 30-second trailer? My station doesn't show episode previews, and I wanna be spoiled before next Saturday, dammit!

Mark

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

cool. thats the third star trek show/game refrence in voyager.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

uh, no its not. There have been none, by my count. And this isn't one either.

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Posted by crobato on :

I can't see the whole matrix from the jpgs, but given its size, scale, and overall design, it does appear to faintly resemble Armada's Assembly Matrix.

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

The shuttle could be a totally new CGI model, since it appears much more different then we think. The back arc of the window is going in the opposite direction, there now appear to be intakes right behind the window, the nacelle pylons are in a different shape, there are new devices on top of the shuttle, and looking at the shuttle from the front during the trailer, she seems much shorter in height then the Type-9

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Or longer in design...

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Um, can we get screencaps of this other promo from somebody? The one with the armada that may or may not have a Prometheus or Sovereign in it?

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I doubt we'll see a Sovereign. Though it'd be nice. I just hope like every one else we get some names. But it wouldn't surprise me if the Prometheus is the USS Prometheus instead of something new.