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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
OK, so far from this episode we've got some funky stuff going on. First, Janeway has this shuttle we see in the trailer, and it IS of a different type. Her registry is SC-4. You guys figure that out.

This shuttle also happens to have "Armoring". Her entire hull can be covered by metallic looking armor that comes out of nowhere, and apparently can withstand the force of a Negh'Var's disruptor blast. If anyone saw the TV Show "Viper", and saw how the Dodge Viper transformed into the Defender, then this is exactly what the "Armor" on the SC-4 looked like.

Also, the Nova class ship is commanded by Harry Kim. It is the USS Rhode Island. Her registry was barely visible, but I couldn't see it.

More later...

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
So... Do we get to see the Rhode Island's BRIDGE! Please, please, please!!! I've got a reputation to uphold..!

Mark

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
The fleet appears in the last 5 minutes. It has 2 Galaxies, a Miranda, a Prometheus, a Nebula, an Excelsior, and an Akira from what I saw. A registry that looked like NCC-71xxx was on one of the Nebulas in the last shot.

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
 
Crappity Crap Crap Crap. where the hell are the ship names for the prometheus and defiant?

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
1) There was no Defiant

2) The Prometheus only flew by the camera from the side, I doubt if anyone can get a name from it.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
We didn't get to see the RI's bridge, but we saw a snippit of it from Kim's conversation with Janeway. Not much else...

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
 
There was too a defiant

very last scene, with the ships with their backs to the camera, there's DEFINATELY a defiant there.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Correct...it's on the left side of the screen.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
 
kim's ship wasn't a nova
it was deffinately not----the suacer shape got altered---looks like an arrow head.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
SC-4. Shuttle Craft 4?

As for the armor plating, I thought it was pretty cool. The hardware for it must be intergrated into the ship's hull. Perhaps at that shield emitter that Klingon was so interested in. As for Voyager, they had to build stuff onto the hull.

What I didn't like was the transphasic torpedoes ability to take out an entire cube. But I also relized the Borg didn't know about it, and couldn't adapt. I guess that's why they were able to destroy 39 ships at 359, because of Picard's knowledge. Needless to say though, one torpedo blowing a cube to bits?

Finally, Kim's ship the Rhode Island. I wish they could of given us a little more. Registry, class, whatever. It looks like a Nova, but the deflector dish and the one on the saucer is different.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
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I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned that there were NO new ships in this episode, in contrast to Sternbach's interview which stated that there would be.

There were, of course, modified ships, such as Harry's Nova and Adm. Janeway's shuttle. There were also re-uses of several CGI ships such as Galaxies, Excelsiors, Defiants, Mirandas, and the Prometheus.

AND there were no Enterprise promos (at least not on the UPN station I was watching.

Oh, one last thing. I thought the episode sucked.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
 
i saw the promo but all i got from them were that the new series would be named enterprise
 
Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
 
The promo I saw said something like:

Before Janeway,
Before Picard,
Before Spock,
Before Kirk,
Comes 'ENTERPRISE'
This Fall on UPN.

What about Sisko? Where's he and DS9 in all this?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"I wish they could of given us a little more."

Okay, this bugs me, so I finally need to comment on it. The word is not "could of". It's "could've", as in "could have". "...could have given...". Basic English grammar.

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
 
Methinks B5's "Endgame" episode was better....and it wasn't even a series finale...not even a season finale...
Just a little partisan snipe

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
 
We waited 7 years for that?

Anyways, is being able to call up 18 ships with 9 on the way a good number? They should have been more ships, like a couple hundred, even just for effect. For godsakes, it WAS the last episode.
 


Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Now, this Shuttle you guys talk about. Could you guys care to describe a little bit more??

Is it a normal shuttle but when needed, armour "phased-out" like "Bio Armor Geyver"?

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Posted by Zor Prime on :
 
Go back to the armour that was in the Batman movie (1989), In think that was the first time we see something like that.

 
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
BTW, "SC-4" is "Starfleet Communications [shuttlecraft] 4".

--Jonah

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Ah.....got it.

Sort of like the helmet that "Joey" wore in Lost In Space the movie.

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
 
this thread is dripping with whine

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Some techish shots from Section31.com

Golden Gate 1
Look out for low-hanging UBC Volkswagons
Batmobile-cum-shuttlecraft
Batmobile-cum-Voyager
Borg gillnet
Unicomplex takes it up the node
Hexagons are fun
Fed fleet and sphere
Fed fleet onscreen
Penultimate-ness
Ultimate-ness

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
So, uhm, that pesky little Intrepid class shippy took out the entire Unamatrix One? Sure..
Oh, BTW, that armour looks ridiculous on the Voyager.

Is that armour SF tech, BTW?

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
 
SC-4
I think this ship had a name. Or so it seemed. There was writing under the starboard window. Maybe. Before going into space, she is housed at the Oakland Ship Yards. She sports the latest in SF armament-F-117 technology (if you know the F-117, you know what I am referring to), the "cool-ass" hull shielding, and the new torpodoes-transphasic. I don't know what this. I do know that a Borg ship can be killed with these mother frellers. Now, that I think about. The F-117 effect-is that a cloaking device?

USS Rhode Island
Named after a battleship, or two battleships. I know there was a USS Rhode Island in WW II. Her registry is NCC-72xxx. Her class appears to be Nova Class.

Starfleet fleet
For a fleet defending Earth and ordered to open fire with 'extreme prejudice', they seemed to be floating in space waiting to be picked off by the Borg sphere. Only one registry-the Nebula-can be barely seen.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
 
we don't know if the tech would do as well against the borg in the same future timeline

we know the borg still exists and from what is said the specific tech was designed to fight them---but how useful is it against future borg--probably not as powerful as one torp per cube.
 


Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
There were TWO Defiants, in this one: http://www.section31.com/images/stv-finale-30.jpg

And I believe the Rhode Island would qualify as a Nova Class, in the same way that the Enterprise-A was considered a Constitution Class ship.

Re: the shuttlecraft-- maybe SC-4 stands for "Starfleet Command." (Janeway, as an Admiral, was part of 'Command.')

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Let's start something else...let's compare the Nova Class that Captain Kim commands to the Nova Class that Captain Ransom blew up.

And the shuttle Janeway had came from Starfleet Communications. But why the hell is she and Barcley teaching a class about the Borg there?

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
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Let's start something else...let's compare the Nova Class that Captain Kim commands to the Nova Class that Captain Ransom blew up.

AFAIK, the only two differences were that Harry's ship had a dome for a bridge while Ransom's had a sunken-in bridge a la the Defiant. Also, the bow of the Rhode Island was curved all the way around, unlike the Equinox which was angled inwards in the front where the secondary deflector was located.

If Targetemployee is correct about the registry (72XXX), then the Rhode Island was probably built in the 24th century at the same time the Equinox was, and is just a variant, not an upgrade.

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
And on that topic, which ship classes have variants? The ones I could come up with are:

Constitution
Miranda
Excelsior
Ambassador
Galaxy
Nebula
Nova
Intrepid (maybe, if the "Yeager" class is unofficial)


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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
The Yeager class is official. It was seen several times in DS9.

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Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
 
Re: Yeager - official or not?

There is no debate that the ship we refer to as "Yeager" exists; the question is - is the label "Yeager" official, or is the ship instead a Intrepid-class variant?

IMHO, while an Intrepid-variant makes sense, "Yeager" seems about as official as the other class names we only know from sources like the TM, Magazine, or the Wolf 359 research. Also, there's the whole Miranda/Soyuz thing which indicates that class distinctions can be fairly arbitrary.

I'd be happy to have both Soyuz and Yeager be sub-classes; when Data calls the Bozeman a Soyuz-class ship he's assuming that everyone knows its a Miranda-class ship; the remarkable thing is that the Soyuz "class" has been out of service for a century.

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The episode wasn't a total waste as far as us geeks are concerned - we now know how the TransWarp Conduits introduced in "Descent" [TNG] work. In that episode the Enterprise detects and copies a subspace signal to open and use a conduit; until "Endgame" [VOY] we didn't know where the signal went, where the conduits came from, how widespread they were, whether they were artificial or natural.

Rather surprising - most episodes - especially a series finale, and extra-especially Voyager - raise more tech questions than answers.

 


Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
The Rhode Island's registry is NCC-72701.
The Nebula's registry is NCC-70915 (it's the Nebula from MIAB).

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Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
 
So, the NCC-70915 survived the battle with the USS Prometheus NX-74913. Good.

According to canonical registries, the USS Rhode Island's place in the registry list is between two Danube Class ships.

NCC-72381 USS Equinox
NCC-72452 USS Rio Grande
NCC-72701 USS Rhode Island
NCC-72917 USS Mekong
 


Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :
 
The RI should have kicked Klingon butt. Where were those miraculous transphasic torpedoes that blew up Borg cubes by the dozen? Don't tell me they didn't want to destroy the Klingons. Just fighting them is probably an act of war.
 
Posted by JeffKardde (Member # 411) on :
 
Methinks Highlander's "Endgame" movie was better. And since that film sucked ...
 
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
The Nebula we saw is the same one from "Message in a Bottle"? That's a big help.

And also a big problem. Because it's the same ship that appears in the "Ships of the Line" calendar that's on the wall next to my desk. (Coincidentally, it's also the May picture, too.) I seem to recall people discussing this earlier, but I'll recap anyway: The caption says the ship is the USS Farragut, the registry on the nacelle pylon says NCC-70915 (inconsistent with the Farragut as seen in "Generations") and the tiny print on the mission pod says USS Bondue (I think). To top it off, the main labeling on the saucer seems to read USS Honshu, NCC-60205!

I guess we can stick with the USS Bondue NCC-70915, since those two designations are unique and not associated with any other ship.

Does anyone have any other info on ship labels? I tried to get a look at the Galaxy-class ship as it passed, but my freeze-frame is way too fuzzy, unfortunately.

Hey... does anyone know if Mojo is still around? I'll be he could help out with this.
 


Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
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And also a big problem. Because it's the same ship that appears in the "Ships of the Line" calendar that's on the wall next to my desk.

As Mojo explained the mix of names and registries was accidental. I assume that the names and registries were only mixed up on the calendar picture and names and registries on the CGI-model used in Voyager were ok.

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mission pod says USS Bondue

Bonchune.

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Does anyone have any other info on ship labels? I tried to get a look at the Galaxy-class ship as it passed, but my freeze-frame is way too fuzzy, unfortunately.

I've asked Rob Bonchune (Foundation Imaging), if he assigned names and registries to the other ships and here's his answer:

>No. whatever we had we used and never checked.

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Hey... does anyone know if Mojo is still around? I'll be he could help out with this

No, because he no longer works for Foundation Imaging.
 


Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
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I've asked Rob Bonchune (Foundation Imaging), if he assigned names and registries to the other ships and here's his answer:

>No. whatever we had we used and never checked.


Well that probably means that the Thunderchild was the Akira-class ship that we saw...

Jeez, don't these guys have any real interest in their work? I remember reading Bernd's article about the Wolf 359 ships and how Okuda and the others meticulously labeled most of the ships that we saw. It's a shame they don't do that now...
 


Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
I really still don't see how that name for the Nebula fits on there. It still looks to only be 5 to 6 letters.

And why the hell do you guys ALWAYS change the board when I'm away on vacation???
 




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