It's a modification of the "In the Pale Moonlight"-display and it shows that Romulan ships use P.W.B. There are also some Klingon ships. Any guesses what PWB means?
[ October 20, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]
I'll also add that there seems to be a secondary identification under the Romulan ship names. On the Federation ships, the ship's registry is written in a smaller font under the ship's name. Under the Romulan ship's name is another word(s)/number(s) in a smaller font.
[ October 20, 2001: Message edited by: Siegfried ]
Some new stuff, finally.
Interesting in that the chart is formatted with "Stock Footage, USS" for the Feds but "PWB Stock Footage" for the Rommies. Perhaps "PWB" isn't exactly analogical to USS, although I'd consider it a fair enough guess to assume that Okuda was getting at Praetor's Warbird.
I'll second Sieggy's idea that the single string of characters below the Romulan ships' name is some kind of registry. One wonders if its a mixture of letters and numbers or just a straight number.
Does anyone have any idea what the coloured boxes beside each name represent? Different colors for Wounded, MIA and KIA?
The first ship in the first column in pic 2 looks like 'IHR. Could be a Klingon ship named FEK'IHR.
The clearest ones are to the left and theyre cut off, both Romulan but seem a little wierd
--x'LHR
--J'xxxR.. the x letters look like A or Ms
[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
KEARSARGE, U.S.S. (maybe)--this ship lacks a NCC registry also, but has a Starfleet arrowhead
Starbase 129
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both Romulan
--x'LHR
The insignia doesn't look like the Romulan. I think that's a Klingon ship.
Romulan positions we've heard of so far:
Centurion
surely there are positions in here
Sub Commander
Commander
how about above here
Political:
Senator
Proconsul
Praetor
a b d f h i k m
a c d f h i k m
a c e f h i k m
a c e g h j l n
a c e g h j l n
a) PWB *'***** [Rom] ****
b) ******* *** [no icon] *******
c) ******* *** [SF] ********
d) *** ***K'LHR [Kli] ****
e) *** J'***R [Rom] ****
f) PWB TO**AL [Rom] 2****6
g) WYOMING, USS [SF] NCC 427**
h) PWB D***** [Rom] 5*****2
i) STARBASE 1*9 [SF]
j) ******* *** [SF] ******
k) PWB ******* [Rom] ******
l) ******** USS? [SF] ******
m) *** ****** [Kli] *****
n) **** USS? [SF] ******
(d), the *** ***K'LHR has a snippet of a KDF logo below it, I think. (A Klingon emblem with a polygonal rather than circular background). That would lend creedence to IKS FEK'LHR. There's what could be another Klingon logo in the far right column.
(c) jumps out at me as either KEARSAGE, USS or STARBASE 122. The presence of a registry might make me lean towards a ship.
Andrew: I think "Centurion" has been shown to be consistently lower in rank than "Commander." Both the old dude in "Balance of Terror" and Bochra in "The Enemy" seemed to treat Commanders as superiors. Wasn't there a rank of "Subalmet" or something similar mentioned on Voyager?
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Get a hold of Mike Okuda and ask him for the names
Sent him a mail on Saturday.
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c) ******* *** [SF] ********
Cochrane, U.S.S.
NCC-59318
(from the original display)
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f) PWB TO**AL [Rom] 2****6
19386 (assuming that the Tripolis' NCC is used)
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g) WYOMING, USS [SF] NCC 427**
NCC-43730 (from the original display)
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h) PWB D***** [Rom] 5*****2
33184 (assuming that the Zapata's NCC is used)
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i) STARBASE 1*9 [SF]
Starbase 129 (from the original display)
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j) ******* *** [SF] ******
Tecumseh, U.S.S.
NCC-14934
(from the original display)
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k) PWB ******* [Rom] ******
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l) ******** USS? [SF] ******
Victory, U.S.S.
NCC-9754
(from the original display)
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n) **** USS? [SF] ******
Nobel, U.S.S.
NCC-55012
(from the original display)
[ October 23, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]
Anyway, we've got thus far:
a) PWB *'***** [Rom] ******
b) CLEMENT, USS [icon omitted during edit] NCC 12537
c) COCHRANE, USS [SF] NCC 59318
d) *** ***K'LHR [Kli] ******
e) *** J'***R [Rom] ******
f) PWB TO**AL [Rom] 2****6
g) WYOMING, USS [SF] NCC 42730
h) PWB D***** [Rom] 5****2
i) STARBASE 129 [SF]
j) TECUMSEH, USS [SF] NCC 19434
k) PWB ******* [Rom] ******
l) VICTORY, USS [SF] NCC 9754
m) *** ****** [Kli] ******
n) NOBEL, USS [SF] NCC 55012
However, I suppose there could be two different prefix titles for Romulan ships -- the official one that goes on the name plate, and the one that's spoken aloud.
Ex: Starfleet ships have two different names, too -- the USS and "Federation Starship."
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Originally posted by targetemployee:
The unnamed Romulan bird-of-prey in "Balance of Terror" is identified as a Praetor's Warbird.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the only really specific reference to the ship is when Decius says something like, "The Praetor's finest and proudest flagship, beaten!" And I'm pretty sure the only bird reference is made by Stiles, who merely observes that Romulan ships are painted like a giant bird of prey, or words to that effect.
As for the PRW thing, this TLA does not sound any more "plausible" than the IRW one, judging from the "USS isn't FS" argument standpoint.
However, it's rather possible that the Romulan fleet comes partitioned into several sub-fleets of different standing. "Imperial" ships might stand one notch below "Praetorial" ones, and the ships listed on the DS9 display would represent the elite forces of the Star Empire. The previous week, the display might have included lesser ships with IRW designations...
One thing of interest here is that the Starfleet ships with the highest KIA and lowest WIA percentage have been omitted here. We might even go as far as speculate that those ships were actually lost back in "The Pale Moonlight", not just hit so that some casualties were suffered. Of course, even the longest lists of KIAs only had a few dozen names, pretty low for an entire starship crew. But still, this might mean the ships suffered truly crippling hits and went out of commission.
The poor Wyoming and Nobel continue to have bad luck, it seems. It's a good thing we can't read the actual names following the KIA, WIA and MIA symbols, or we might run into continuity problems...
Timo Saloniemi
