...plus locating shuttlebays on other klingon ships seem rather hard too. Katinga, BOP, etc....
Where do the klingons keep their shuttlesbays? And also, where are their escape pods and how are they placed throughout the ship?[By that I mean there's no clear markings on the hull indicating their presence like on Fed ships]
Just can't find them...eeek Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
It seems likely to me that things like shuttlebays and escape pods on Klingon ships would be covered by armored plates like they are on the Defiant. There may not be any exterior evidence of these things.
However, I think the 7th season DS9 episode where Ezri goes looking for Worf's escape pod in the badlands gives a BOP schematic which shows the location of its escape pods.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I think it was the episode "Penumbra." It was at least one of the early Final Chapter episodes. If remember right, the escape pods were on either side of the neck according to the diagram Ezri was looking at. Either way, I agree with Aban Rune. The openings are probably concealed with armor plating to stiffen up what could be a very fatal weak point in the ship's structure.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
There's no canon evidence that Klingons even use shuttles aboard their ships. The only Klingon shuttle we've seen was the Toron class, and that was a stand-alone shuttle, not launched from a mothership.
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
The vents on the forward face on the wings of the Vorcha and Negh'var are therefore just vents right?
And is it true that the top pod on the Vorcha's main body is a craft?
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
Hmmm... One would think there would be no escape pods on a Klingon ship since to die in battle is one of the greatest honors, and that it would also also bring great honor to one's family.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Klingons are brave -- not stupid.. theyll hop in an escape pod if they need to
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think they were on the neck too. It was the unrecovered pod that was "closest to the bridge."
The grey "hump" vents on the BOPs....Hmmm...On the model I have, the grooves interlace which would seem to indicate that that is where the articulation occurs when the wings move up and down. But, I suppose there's room in there for those structures to have a function as well.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The Vor'cha has, as I recall, a sort of hatchlike structure in the aft that is probably the shuttlebay.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Klingons are brave -- not stupid.. theyll hop in an escape pod if they need to"
Of course, that would be considered "running away", and they'd be dishonored for their cowardice...
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
you know what they say ....live to eat gagh another day. Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheF0rce: And is it true that the top pod on the Vorcha's main body is a craft?
The top part of the Vorcha is not a separate craft. It contains the main bridge and the aft disruptor emitter.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Actually, wasn't there something written somewhere that said the front section of the Vor'cha could seperate much like the nose of the Defiant was postulated to?
Anyway, I'd bet the Klingon ships did have escape pods. Where's the honor in sitting on the ship to die while the warp core's breaching or the the ship's heading into a quantum slipstream? As to the evacuating to escape a battle, would there not be some honor in staying alive to avenge your fallen comrades and fallen ship in a rematch? Just something else to think about...
Posted by Nevod (Member # 738) on :
Quantum slipstream????
When Klingons encountered it???
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
yeah not all starship deaths are caused in battle. Klingons believe in escaping to fight another day.
And a space anomaly that swallows a cruiser and its crew while they sit helpless when they could have 'fought the forces of nature' and escaped, is simply a waste of brave warriors.
Besides, senseless death isnt their way.. honorable is.. they arent simply fighting machines that do everything with no question.
Besides who said the proverb 'Only a fool fights in a burning house' and passed it off as Klingon. how about 'losing a battle to save an empire' retreat is an option for Klingons, when honor is satisfied
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
If they did, they wouldn't tell us. It's a strategic advantage...
Smart Klingons remember that "only a fool fights in a burning house". And smart Klingons probably get to design Klingon starships. It's only the mindless minions of the great warriors who need to be indoctrinated with all that "death before retreat" bullshit, which makes it so much easier for the great warriors to retreat safely.
I think Rick S did say that the top part of a Vor'cha (and supposedly a Negh'var as well) would be capable of separation. The role of the separated module was unclear, though. The bow section would naturally serve as a lifeboat, considering that it was manned with the top officers of the ship to begin with.
A BoP probably wouldn't need a shuttle, but it has a cargo bay that can accommodate two humpback whales (although pray tell where the doors are - apparently they are of the explosive-bolt type, not something you open and close regularly). The bigger ships would be likely to need shuttles since they cannot land.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Gosh damn it, I meant quantum filament. You know, the big pink thing in TNG's "The Loss" that had the two dimensional things carrying the Enterprise into it that also caused Deanna Troi to lose her empathy.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
Well, we do know canonically that they don't run away from torpedoes. Even when they know they are going to do die. Even though those particular Klingons had no honor. And even though they theoretically had time to abandon ship.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
In Undiscovered Country you mean? they sure as hell didnt.. the first torpedo they had no idea it COULD hit them, so they didnt do anything about it.. and then after getting hit with their shields down, it pretty much eliminated most of the ships running capability.. and ill count the time lepse but do you REALLY think Chang could have run to an escape pod? or that he would want to.. i doubt anyone in a small BOP scout could get away from being pounded by two Federation heavy cruisers with shields down
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
And Lursa and B'Etor. Yes, there would disadvantages to abandoning ship, but one would think that those might receive more consideration than the apparent default option of standing and staring at the viewscreen. Although I will admit, at least Chang got off a cool one-liner, which makes it all worth it in his case.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: ...retreat is an option for Klingons...
The proper Klingon term would be "advancing towards the rear" Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
In the last DS9 episode with Kor, we see a BOP evacuated down to a skeleton crew and sacraficed to ensure the survival of the other three ships, and the majority of the Klingons aboard.
There is certainly proof that Klingons realize that at times an unnecessary sacrifice is stupid if it does nothing to further the goals of winning a war.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
In the Fact Files, the top aft pod of the Negh'Var is labeled as shuttlebay.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Templar: The top part of the Vorcha is not a separate craft. It contains the main bridge and the aft disruptor emitter.
Uh... err err err
The top part of the Vorcha in the back is not where the main bridge is located. The Main Bridge is located in the forward area, near the nose. Same with the d-7, BoP, and NeghVar.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Really? I thought that was the Klingon equivelent of a battle bridge. Of course, this is all from the blueprint of the Playmate Vor'cha cruiser. Strangely, Playmate's pretty bang-on with these prints.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The AMT/ERTL model is labelled similarily. Of course, it also calls the thing a K'Vort class ship, so what do they know?
J: The part we mean it the large structure at the front and top of the next, just before the forward claw like part that is rumoured to seperate. The square raised area on top of THAT is sometimes called a Battle Bridge or weapons bridge. By, er, some people.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Well, let's go back to that episode where a Vor'cha got hit by one of its own mines. Can someone take a look to see if the after whatever-it's-called looked like it was welded on or clamped on?
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
The Vorcha would appear to have three bridges. One on top of the far aft "daughtercraft", one on top of the central raised area (this is likely the std bridge for main body), and one on top of the removable fwd weapons module.
The Negh'var appears to have a similar setup but it lacks the central brige. It is meant to have the daughtercraft according to Sternbach's sketch and it has the same separation line as the Vor'cha for the fwd weapons head.
IMO both the Negh'var and Vor'cha have there shuttlebays on the underside centerline of the main hull. There are areas on the bottom that look like hatches for shuttle or cargo bays.
The small white squares on various locations on the Negh'var and Vor'cha may be escape pods.
The D7/K't'inga shuutlebay is almost certainly located at the top of the wedge shaped thing at the back. Tradional looking doors can be seen on the back (above the impulse engines).
I don't think the BoP has a shuttlebay at all.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Someone should ask Rick Sternbach these questions - seeing as he designed the bloody thing ;o)
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