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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
when are they going to invent quantum torpedoes on Enterprise?

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Right before they invent transphasic torpedoes.
 

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Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
Yay! The Enterprise-is-too-advanced routine never gets old...
 

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Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
 
It could be worse, we could be talking about T'Pol being another Seven of Nine clone.
 

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Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Or Seven as Data as Spock. Getting over it, we shall be doing.

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: Ultra Magnus ]
 

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
 
The thing is, for all of Seven's Borg enhancements, she lacks the chest agumentation to compete with T'Pol. Seven didn't do any irrelevant fan-service scenes, either.
 

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Someone obviously didn't watch season seven's "Q2" then.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"The thing is, for all of Seven's Borg enhancements, she lacks the chest agumentation to compete with T'Pol."

Since when?
 

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Posted by The Antagonist (Member # 484) on :
 

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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
when are they going to invent quantum torpedoes on Enterprise?

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Perhaps you are confusing Phase Cannons with Phaser pulse cannons. They won't invent quantum torps and turn the the Enterprise into a pre-TOS the Defiant.

In any case, I see no reason for the Enterprise to be labeled "overpowered," especially for the era. Touchy political relationships considered, it is my believe that the Klingon K'tinga encountered earlier in the season could have easily disabled the Enterprise and just delt with that stupid alien-ship-with-holodecks-and-other-cool-shit as they saw fit.

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: The Antagonist ]
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Seeing is believing.

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Woof!

These "phase cannon" seem to live up to their name. Nothing un-phaserlike about them so far: they are emitted from nondescript saucer surface locations, they are beamlike but wobbly (closest analogy: Cardassian phasers), and they create unrealistic "mushroom cloud" explosions in vacuum... That's all very TOS, even if the FX is modern.

Love that Andorian thing which I hope will become a trademark for them: fighting with a pistol in one hand, a shoulder-strap-supported rifle in another. If you have limbs to spare, put them into use! Perhaps these guys also kick a lot?

Those new aliens are still humanoid, but with long limbs and bubble helmets and "exposed brain" skulls, they sure look like 1950s Martians. Me likes. Is the face view of the same species? Or is it a Pak'mara after his razor blade slipped on a particularly bad morning after?

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
So if these are the phase cannons, what were the light bolts Enterprise fired in "Broken Bow"? Still another weapon?
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Ooh look, it's Species 8472. . . *squint* is that a Starfleet rifle there?
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Mmmmmm...Andorrrrian....
 

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Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, can't see the antennae, but hairstyle looks close, I guess.
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
The link's been switched with a revised one... I snapped a few more shots of the Andorians just so you slobs could verify that they were indeed present without resorting to the old "looks like an Andorian hairstyle" bit.

Interestingly, I had been reading in a magazine interview somewhere that the VFX folks on Enterprise were rather proud of the fact that they went back and developed a brand new Phase Pistol Beam visual effect that looked more primitive than a 24th century phaser, with a "rougher" beam. To be honest, I've only been able to notice a difference so slight you've got to be looking for it to see it. But the phase cannons here do indeed have a nifty sloppier beam effect. The beam's reds also appear to be tinted more towards salmon than the red-to-increasingly orange of 24th-century phasers. As you can see, there do appear to be discrete emitters halfway between each pair of torpedo tube and further down.
 

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
 
I would have preferred if they fired something closer to the opaque bluish beams from TOS. I also find it strange that that other pulse energy makes one apparence in Enterprise, and is (relatively) soon replaced by a phaser-look alike.

And yes, that CG alien does look a Pak'Mara with a bad shave, or maybe E.T. with its eyes poked out.
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Perhaps the TOS phasers are more hotter (and more powerful) than the Ent "phasers". While the TNG and post TNG phasers are even more powerful, but given new advances in phaser technology were able to lower the temperature of the phasers.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
So they tried to work backward by "roughening" the beam, even though TOS phasers had smoother beams...? Hm...
 

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Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
You can't really assume the TOS animations are "accurate." How many times did we see hand phasers shooting at weird angles, and goofy sparklies flying away from the target? Look at the cannon in "The Cage." Or the planet-killer in "The Doomsday Machine." The Enterprise's phasers were red and fired from the bottom of the lower dome in that one, to say nothing of the planet-killer itself! Even if one accepts the argument that Enterprise could have been designed more primitively than the original, it's hard to imagine anything remotely resembling the TOS phaser effect on a modern series. There's not really any reason for them to resemble it anyway, since Enterprise doesn't have phasers.

Personally, though, I wanted them to be blue.

Oh, and re: the red pulse weapon. Those were probably the "plasma artillery" mentioned in the series bible. They seemed to have been a pretty weak point-defense type system only used since the torpedoes weren't online yet. The phase cannon don't replace them, they supplement them.
 

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