I thought it would take until friday or so, but I used all my free time this week (been ill) to work on it. It's only the .jpg, the 4,6-MB-high-high-res-file was a little bit too large to upload.
Feel free to use it, though it would be nice you tell me. Oh, and don't complain about the registry, I first wanted to use the Niagara's or Wellington's, but a friend convinced me to make the ship 'unique'. He's a RPG-player and commander of the Niagara-class USS Sholtok, so I took the name of his ship.
Notes: I added details to the neck, I changed the phylons again after looking at the Jein-picture, I added the mission top-of-the-saucer phaser to the bottom to to make a 360�-firearc possible and you'll notice the little 'variation' of the nacelle-connection. Obviously, the constructor loved to turn things around.
Maybe I'll do a top view, too, but at the moment the shock of loosing the saucer-debate is still too present.
Not bad...but as I recall, the saucer had 5 strips per side (dorsal & ventral, that is).
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
You mean phasers? If so, the top of the saucer had 3 phaser strips, one forward, two aft. The other two (side) had been removed. I don't know how the bottom of the saucer looks, FactFiles suggest the same configuration as the top, but I 'invented' my own solution.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Very nice, Captain! Any chance of a top-view in the future? Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
No..I saw a picture that had the saucer with 5 strips Per side. Fuck the Fact Files. Bernd, I think this was on your site. Help a po' nigga out, yo.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Hmmm...NeghVar also said it had 5...but the only pic at Ex-Astris is the Jein photo.
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
this is the photo... ...however the ship could have five strips. The right side is destroyed and the left side is not visible from that picture. But we're back at te old discussion. If the phaser arrangement is exactly the same as the Ambassador, could it be... no, I wont even finish this sentence. Posted by NeghVar (Member # 62) on :
Look at Masaki Taniko's top view damage patterns...5 phaser strips.
The Jein photo is either missing due to damage or is cut-off on the bottom. Hey, Masaki knows better than us...
As for the Fact Files...do you really consider anything those fucking idiots do as "canon". They cannot draw the ships right, and when they they do, they put the wrong fucking labels on everything...
As for the Ambassador saucer...not only is the Niagara saucer not round, look at the slope, the general contours of its saucer...
Nice work though! Art
[ March 06, 2002, 14:45: Message edited by: NeghVar ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
How do we know what is on the UNDERSIDE of the Niagra and the Freedom REALLY - the Fact Files a freakish - and what IS that 'lump' that they put underneath - where the C.Y. Is on the E-D?
And what about the little 'extra' bit coming off the Freedom's bottom (only) nacelle? Actually speaking about that, how do we know that the Freedom had only one nacelle!?! Maybe it had two but the top nacelle broke off? And that is how the Fact File People saw it with only one nacelle?
Andrew
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Actually, the ship would look much better wi�th a second top-nacelle.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Okuda said he remembered Jein building a 3-nacelled and a 1-nacelled ship. He specifically remembered because he mentioned to Jein that Roddenberry didn't approve of odd numbers of nacelles, but that Jein went ahead and did it anyway.
-MMoM Posted by NeghVar (Member # 62) on :
quote:How do we know what is on the UNDERSIDE of the Niagra and the Freedom REALLY - the Fact Files a freakish - and what IS that 'lump' that they put underneath - where the C.Y. Is on the E-D?
And what about the little 'extra' bit coming off the Freedom's bottom (only) nacelle? Actually speaking about that, how do we know that the Freedom had only one nacelle!?! Maybe it had two but the top nacelle broke off? And that is how the Fact File People saw it with only one nacelle?
We don't really know...the only people that really know are not talking, or have not taken pictures of the models...or can't find pictures of the models. My guess is you have the 5 phasers on the top, and 3 (front and sides) or 5 phasers on the bottom. I would value your guesstimate as much as the guys from the FF.
I do recall some years ago on rec.arts.startrek.tech or an AOL forum...that Okuda had stated that the Freedom had only one nacelle. It could have had two, and someone has a version with two nacelles somewhere on the web.
As for the FF guys...who is to say they have any better pictures than we do of these ships? We need the guys that did the Star Trek Mechanics books to ferret out the info we need.
Later...and looking forward to seeing a 5 phaser version of your Niagara... Art
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Actually, the ship would look much better wi�th a second top-nacelle.
Ahem...*cough*Challenger!*cough* Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Now if Capt. Kyle could put impulse engines on there somewhere... Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Actually, the ship would look much better wi�th a second top-nacelle.
Ahem...*cough*Challenger!*cough*
But that's not a ship, that's a boat. A submarine. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Now if Capt. Kyle could put impulse engines on there somewhere...
I'll do that and some other small corrections when I draw the top-view this weekend.
Besides that, do you think the ship has the same location for the impulse engines as the Ambassador?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Small update;
I'm currently working on her saucer, and if you look closely at the Jein-picture, you can see something that looks like a row of lifeboats in front of the dome. I added four and another four in pairs of two behind the dome.
That made me think about another 'creative correction'; should I add some to the saucer, too? If there are only few lifeboats, does this mean they are only for the senior staff? If there are no lifeboats, why does the Ambassador have them? There should be more, or the ship is a suicide trap.
What do you think?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Forget that, I took another close look at the saucer and it seems there are lifeboat hatches. Anyway, I'll include them. Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Not bad...but I think you need to look at Masaki's top view one more time. He placed the phasers differently than you did.
Still damn good work!!! Art
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Looks pretty good, but the contours of that bridge module are a little...irregular. A bit choppy.
But at least you've attempted what no one else has!
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
I know. I had some trouble with that saucer. . Sice the whole bridge dome is somehow irregular in its shape, you can't use circles and other easy geometrical forms to draw it. The thing actually is completely hand-drawn (I think I tried at least 5 times ).
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