Hey, I got script versions of all nine movies today (txt-files, not hardcopies). They seem to be pretty reliable, allthough some of them seem to be earlier versions (like FC which has a completely different touch about the same topic - if you read it, you know what I mean).
However, there's one question I have: I included Ticonderoga in my script as part of Insurrection. I don't know anything about the original version, but the german version of the movie does not include any reference to that ship. I checked the script and it is Worf who has that like, just before Quark beams down (funny dialogue between him and Picard, BTW). He arrived with that ship and Worf isn't very happy to see him. Since the scene was cut, do you think I should still include it?
'Nother one: Ster Trek IV; script mentiones USS Excelsior and USS Intrepid being docked at Spacedock, probe arrives and when the dock officer wants to open the doors systems crash. It even has a one-liner for the Intrepid-captain. (And FYI, the name of USS Shepards captain is Clampett, and the ship transported the 'Vegan D'-virus when they were neutralized, causing an infectio of the crew. 15 already died.) You see the difference? Intrepid was cut, but appearantly the dialogue of Lt. Trillya remained since she was visible on-screen. Canon?
(Did you know the FC-battle including the new Endeavour took an entirely new direction? They had a Borg vs. Federation mega-battle, dozens of ships on each side. And the Endeavour was not Hayes flagship. It was just blown up. Hayes contacted Enterprise - which had 47 decks in this early version - from his flagship, the USS Intrepid. I wonder why they all include the Intrepid in their scripts. No mentioning of USS Bozeman, but the docter in the town of Ressurection mentiones that city as being 200 miles away.)
Sorry for the long post, just had a fantastic read over the last hours and wanted to share some information (For now, I only read FC, TVH and Insurrection, along with parts of FF.). Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Sharing is virtue. Would you mind?
Mark
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Which one do you want? (or all? )
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
All damnit! ALL! Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
All would be powerful nice. mark_nguyen at shaw dot ca is the place. Thanks!
Mark
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Hey! We posted at the same time Mark! Kewl! That's a first for me! HEHE!
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
They are pretty large, 400kb each. Can I send them anyone to upload the files?
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Erm, I thought that you had a site of your own for that? Can't ya put them there and give us da links?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
That's geocities. The link will be down after a certain transfer rate. And that transfer rate isn't that high (3GB per month max, conted in hours.). I once uploaded a scan from the Jackill's SRM, 2x700KB, and it was permanently down so I had to remove them.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Added info: I checked the headlines, all scripts are the final drafts, only FC is the first draft, dated September '95.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm sure someone here can help us.
akb: Great minds, eh?
Mark
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
OK, let's see, I'll go to bed now (yes, I know, I'm evil, but it's late over here... ), if anyone can help, get into contact with me or post here. Will be back tomorrow.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: I'm sure someone here can help us.
akb: Great minds, eh?
Mark
I sense a great disturbance . . .
HEHE! You read my mind Mark. Kindly point that Jedi Mind Trick elsewhere. HEHE! Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I've got a cable connection and unlimited webspace. Go ahead and e-mail me the scripts at [email protected] and I'll post them for everyone. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: However, there's one question I have: I included Ticonderoga in my script as part of Insurrection. I don't know anything about the original version, but the german version of the movie does not include any reference to that ship. I checked the script and it is Worf who has that like, just before Quark beams down (funny dialogue between him and Picard, BTW). He arrived with that ship and Worf isn't very happy to see him. Since the scene was cut, do you think I should still include it?
Yes. The scene may have been cut but the ship is listed in the Encyclopedia as well.
quote:'Nother one: Ster Trek IV; script mentiones USS Excelsior and USS Intrepid being docked at Spacedock, probe arrives and when the dock officer wants to open the doors systems crash. It even has a one-liner for the Intrepid-captain. (And FYI, the name of USS Shepards captain is Clampett, and the ship transported the 'Vegan D'-virus when they were neutralized, causing an infectio of the crew. 15 already died.) You see the difference? Intrepid was cut, but appearantly the dialogue of Lt. Trillya remained since she was visible on-screen. Canon?
Can you at least post a transcript of these tidbits? I'd like to see. If it's the final script, I'd sure like to think it would count...
-MMoM Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I've got the first draft of First Contact script, if that's what you're referring to, Kyle. A very interesting, very different, probably inferior film.
(NB: This exact draft of the script may have been titled "Star Trek: Future Generations" and not picked up the "Star Trek: Resurrection" moniker until later. Resurrection got shelved by the end of 1995 to avoid conflicting with the Alien 4 title.)
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
That's the script I have, too.
I just emailed them to MinutaeMan, so for now it's up to him when we get to see them.
And Mim, here are the requested lines from TVH:
26 EXT. SPACE DOCK - ILM 26
The great rotating satellite, home of grand Spaceships.
27 INT. SPACE DOCK - CONTROL BOOTH, OVERLOOKING SPACE CRAFT 27
TWO CONTROLLERS, back to us, sit in the control seats. They control several Starships in b.g.
CONTROLLER ONE Excelsior and Intrepid are cleared to depart. Open space dock doors.
Over this, the SOUND OF THE PROBE'S SIGNAL is heard. Almost immediately, Controller Two is in big trouble.
CONTROLLER TWO Sir! Space dock doors are inoperative!
CONTROLLER ONE Keep trying. (then) Excelsior and Intrepid stand by! Malfunction on exit doors.
INTREPID VOICE Control, Intrepid. Never mind. We can't get powered up!
The Two Controllers look at each other as the SOUND OF the Probe's GIBBERISH comes in at DEAFENING VOLUME.
CONTROLLER TWO Space doors not responding. All Emergency systems are non- functional.
All over Space dock, lights are dimming.
CONTROLLER ONE Engage reserve power. Starfleet Command, this is Space dock on emergency channel. We have lost all internal power. Repeat, we have lost all power!...
And here's the second one:
STAR TREK IV : THE VOYAGE HOME APPENDIX A.
N.D. STARSHIP DIALOGUE
(as it appears in Scene 42)
VERSION 1 Starfleet command, this is Captain Joel Randolph of the starship Yorktown reporting. Emergency channel Zero-one-three-zero, code red. It has been three hours since our contact with the alien probe and all attempts at regaining power have failed. All non-essential crew have been given hiber-sedatives to slow down consumption of life support reserves. Our chief engineer is attempting to deploy a makeshift solar sail with which to focus and absorb radiation from a nearby sun we are orbiting. We have high hopes that this will, if successful, generate power to keep us alive indefinitely. If you would patch us through to Engineering Control we could link up with the technicians there and hopefully lick this problem. We will keep you posted on our condition. Starfleet, and inform you of any further developments. Captain Randolph out.
VERSION 2 Starfleet Command, this is communications officer Trillya of the U.S.S. Shepard reporting on emergency status code zero one nine five. Our condition remains the same, the probe has neutralized all power supplies and we are functioning on reserves only. All attempts to reinstate main power have failed. Captain Clampett has quarantined all but minimal support crew due to failure of Bio- Sterilization capsules containing Vegan D virus, which has already killed fifteen crew members. All aboard are believed to be infected. Atmospheric regeneration and reclamation systems are not functional, and all medical supplies are spoiling due to refrigeration shut down. At present condition life support systems will be exhausted within eight hours. Starfleet, please advise...?
That's it for now...
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Hmm, now this is odd.
I tried to send them to you, MinutaeMan, but everytime it tells me I have exeeded the maximal size for your mailbox.
I'll send them to you in two-packs, maybe that works. Just wanted to let you know.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
So I take it the Intrepid is the second Connie in SD we see at the end of the movie?
-MMoM Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: So I take it the Intrepid is the second Connie in SD we see at the end of the movie?
-MMoM
Could be that ship. Did you ever notice that there have to be at least two ships with constitution-nacelles? First, they fly over some nacelle that seems to be part of a constitution, crossing them, and in the next shot, they pass some other nacelles in flight direction.
I thought about that last night. Maybe the Intrepid is the Miranda docked in SD? We know the original ship was lost in TOS, so maybe her successor was a Miranda? Later the Excelsior, then the Intrepid-class. That came to my mind when I thought about that scene; we see a shot of SD with those two ships (Excelsior and unknown Miranda), even see the dock officers tower thing for a short moment. With the right cutting, you get the impression those guys told the two ships to leave the dock immediately when power was deactivated.).
What do you think?
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
I was wondering is anyone putting these scripts on a website. If not i be happy to do it since i got a bit space left on my geocities site.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I already sent him the second pack, number three and four are to follow. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Now if anyone is crazy enough to want to format these scripts into HTML, be my guest...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote: You see the difference? Intrepid was cut, but appearantly the dialogue of Lt. Trillya remained since she was visible on-screen.
Ahhhhh is that the woman with the dark brown hair on the large screen at the back right!?! She looks like 99 from Get Smart... similar mannerisms, no?
Andrew
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote: KIRK What are you doing, Spock?
SPOCK I am preparing to toast a marsh melon.
Marsh melon? Kirk and McCoy hide their smiles as Spock holds the marshmallow over the fire.
OMG! He DID say Marsh Melon - so that was supposed to be a 'funny'!?! I thought it was just some wierd-arse American way of saying Marshmallow!?! Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote: You see the difference? Intrepid was cut, but appearantly the dialogue of Lt. Trillya remained since she was visible on-screen.
Ahhhhh is that the woman with the dark brown hair on the large screen at the back right!?! She looks like 99 from Get Smart... similar mannerisms, no?
Andrew
Didn't the Encyclopedia say she was the *famous* singer of some obscure 80's-band? (And yes, that's her on the right screen).
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Jane Wiedlin, cutie of the Go-Gos. She also played Joan of Arc in "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure."
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Now if anyone is crazy enough to want to format these scripts into HTML, be my guest...
I could do that easily! I've got Movie Magic ScreenWriter 2000, and that eats scripts for lunch. All I need to do is import them into the app, then save in whatever format is asked for.
I may just do that anyway to add it to my site...
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
When the station was disabled, I saw two ships in the docking bay-an Excelsior Class and a Miranda Class. Could the Miranda Class starship be the USS Intrepid ?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
What I said; yes, I think so. Since the old one was destroyed in TOS.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It's unlikely that the Intrepid would be of Excelsior class, given that another ship of that name but of a different era will be one. So the Miranda could be our Intrepid. Then again, so could that second Constitution we see. Or even the Oberth, although why that ship should be deployed against the Whale Probe is unclear!
Personally, I'd like the new Intrepid to be a Constellation or some other ship unseen in the movie. Newer and bigger than the old Constitution, and not stepping on the toes of the SotSF registry scheme for Mirandas... I wonder if the Okudagrams of SF HQ or Spacedock feature the name Intrepid somewhere, perhaps even associated with a registry number? Wouldn't Okuda have worked from relatively early versions of the script?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
Do you know he worked for the movie's art department? I'm not sure if he already was on board when they produced it.
And from my understanding, they didn't want to use those ships against the probe but evacuate them. If energy fails and the probe attacks the dock, it would be a death trap for those ships still inside.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I wonder if the Okudagrams of SF HQ or Spacedock feature the name Intrepid somewhere
Well, we got one clear look at one of the displays: http://home.arcor.de/spike730/misc/display_tvh.jpg Only numbers, but it's possible that more interesting information is on other displays. Maybe you want to ask Okuda about this topic?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Hmm, interesting picture: if those numbers to the left of the XYZ coordinates are NCC numbers (like the letters CC on the header might suggest), then it seems likely that there ARE some names there as well. Why else would the numbers be of such different lengths?
Even if some are 2-digit ones, some have to have 6 digits for the different lengths to be fully explained... I don't think anybody would really use 6-digit NCCs, no matter whether he or she believes in chronological ordering or not. They just wouldn't look like ship registries, but more like phone numbers...
I just have to ask Okuda about that. Currently, though, my email is thoroughly jammed. I got out the remaining Drexler photos (thanks Mark!) just in time before everything crashed here at the university...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Doesn't look like "NCC". The first letter seems to be an L.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Allthough it seems the chart headline says 'OC', it might be a good solution to contact him. I rememebr a large display showing the way the probe had taken to get to earth and all ships it had disabled on its way.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Didn't see your last post, Spike. Well, since the map shows San Fransisco and the area, and the headline says something about communication arrays and the three digits in front of the numbers seem to be different from each other, I think it is safe to assume that it is not a shiplist. Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The leftmost column probably specifies "location", so the letters would be LOC. And RX, RY and RZ either give that location in different terms, or then specify a heading or bearing.
Since we apparently operate in three dimensions (and since the numbers seem to apply to a "sector 27MX"), I think the map of San Francisco area is unrelated to these numbers... Then again, there are those POTX/Y/Z or ROTX/Y/Z things written in red on the SF map. Perhaps "sector 27MX is not a deep space sector at all, but some sort of a local defence sector.
I'm not sure if Okuda did these displays, or just the ones on the Enterprise and the BoP. Only one way to find out...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Thanks for making them available!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Well, I'd much rather have the Intrepid as the second Connie for a couple of reasons. One (and I know this doesn't really pull any kind of weight), I guess I can just visualize it much better as a Connie than a Miranda, what with the lineage of the name and all. Secondly, I think it's already been theorized that the Miranda is the U.S.S. Shepard. Actually, I personally think the model was left labeled as the Saratoga. Isn't it possible the Saratoga was towed back to spacedock along with the Yorktown? That would make sense to me. Although, that would only work if we didn't see the Miranda until the end of the movie SD scenes. I can't rememebr if we saw it in the earlier shots, with the shuttles going dead.
In any case, I think I'll add a second Constitution-class U.S.S. Intrepid to my shiplist in addition to the NCC-1631...at least for now.
Hehe...I just had a thought. Wonder if this one should be NCC-1831!
-MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Okuda was working on TVH.. he designed his movie era Okudagrams for the 1701-A bridge (the ones that Shane Johnson wrote 'transwarp' all over for 'Mr. Scotts Guide'. It was his first ST work.
I dont think any of the models were in any probability labeled Intrepid, although I suppose the Connie could have been. I'd like to say I definitely doubt the Miranda should be called Intrepid.
BTW, how dare you call Jane Wiedlin and the Go-Go's obscure!? infidel!.. I have an issue of Starlog with a rare picture of her on the bridge being directed by Nimoy.. shes a cutie. Theres an OK pic online at some movie era fanfic site that has dozens of pictures but no fanfic.. whatzit called.. 'Albion' or something. The kid who does it is kind of delusional, but the pics are DVD grabs so theyre real clear. I'll find a link, he has a lot more stuff in the SFHQ edit: http://www.ady1971.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sfcom4.jpg http://www.ady1971.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sfcom8.jpg (That's Jane on the right)
[ March 12, 2002, 16:27: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
In all likelyhood those models were actually labled as they had been in the rest of the movie. Which would mean (if you take things literally) that the Saratoga was in two places at once and that there were 2 Enterprise-As in spacedock at the end of the movie.
It is however resonable to assume that the Intrepid was ment to be represented by either the Conni or the Miranda, perferably the conni but probably the Miranda since there were no Constitution ships visible when we first see spacedock...unless I've missed something.
Wasn't there supposed to be an Oberth-class U.S.S. Copernicus NCC-623 in there aswell? I have yet to spot it.
On a side note...that probe is huge!!! did anyone notice the shot as the probe moves past spacedock? the lil mushroom is dwarfed!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The Copernicus is really only visible if you have the widescreen version.
-MMoM Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
There is a reason that the Oberth Class ship's registry is not visible. The model is labeled as the USS Grissom NCC-638 . This is confirmed by watching the destruction sequence of the USS K E Tsiolkovski NCC-53911 in the "Naked Now". Of course, this leads us to a question. Where did the starship USS Copernicus NCC-623 originated? Could she have originated from a ship listing?
As for the issue of the USS Intrepid , she has to be the Miranda Class ship.
Sequence of events
1. Probe nears space mushroom 2. See inside space mushroom 3. Ships power down. Shot shows Orbital Shuttle 5, identified in official Paramount publication as Magellan , USS Excelsior NX-2000 , and an unnamed Miranda Class starship.
A point of interest about this last ship. Unlike other known Miranda Class ships, she is missing her registry on the aft section of the nacelles. She could have been a recently constructed starship. This information is revealed in the DVD version.
The other ships mentioned-the Constitutions and the Oberth-are shown at the end of the movie.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm, we should remember that we only see the Miranda in the final scene, where the heroes receive their new assignment. Some time has obviously passed. In that time, the Intrepid could have sailed in and out of Spacedock several times. Whatever damage the Probe did to her, she would have been close to expert repair services and most likely the first one among the near-Earth casualties to be brought back to operational status.
In contrast, the ships incapacitated by the Probe in deep space could have been towed to several locations for repairs, Earth being among the *less* likely candidates considering that it had just been attacked and had other priorities for repairs. Thus, I don't think the Saratoga or the Shepard or the Yorktown would really be present in Spacedock even in the final scene.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Timo,
When I have the time, with not working or playing Halo or Project Gotham Racer, I will present a chronology of events using the DVD 'time clock'. Until then, we have a difference of opinion on when the Miranda Class ship is seen in the 'space mushroom'.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Uh, I'm hereby changing my opinion without the need for further proof. I don't have widescreen data, so I couldn't tell where the Miranda was seen - I just thought I heard it was during the final flyaround scene...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Dare I open the prospective can of worms regarding the slightly conflicting shots of the Excelsior? That in some shots the Excelsior is pointing toward the space doors, while others show the Excelsior laying broadside to the doors.
Some of us like to interpret the VFX murkiness as the presence of two Excelsior-class ships in Spacedock at the time. The Repulse is a good candidate. A new Yorktown is another...
--Jonah
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Uh, a new Yorktown doesn't sound very promising, considering that the ship was supposed to be distressed in deep space at the time...
Any of the 2000-range ships from the ST6 shiplist could fit the bill, too. Ahwahnee, Challenger, Korolev...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
We know the Constitution-class Yorktown was renamed Enterprise, according to official backstory. We know five years later, Tuvok's parents were serving on a Yorktown.
I don't like to think Starfleet would screw Captain Randolph out of his ship just to give it to Kirk. I do like to think the Yorktown was due for impending retirement anyway, with Randolph taking command of a new, probably Excelsior-class, vessel.
--Jonah
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
One thing should be clear: The Yorktown can't have towed the Saratoga back to dock (nor could any other ship have doen this) because we know that the probe has neutralized any vessel in range.
Furthermore, this can't be the Shepard (allthough I thought so for a long time) since the script gives us the text spoken by Trillya reveals an infection by some virus and a failure of life support in 8 hours. If they are inside spacedock they could easily evacuate the ship.
If they filmed the sequence but cut it down to 'External view with probe-internal view-lights failing', without any spoken text (allthough we got to see the control room, which means there has to be something more because no one biulds such a set if they don't need it, not even for two seconds), but left the effects as they were, we had the docked Excelsior, the cut-scene, and the Excelsior heading towards the doors, whcih makes sense.
Only a month ago I have seen the first four movies at cinema, and I took a closer look at several scenes, including those in SFHQ, the Copernicus and this one. And the Miranda and Excelsior are the only two ships visible inside. If the Miranda didn't have a name, the reason may be it was a yet-to-be-commissioned vessel.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Ok, I wasn't sure about the Shepard's canon status, so I checked EAS:
quote:USS Shepard, disabled by the alien probe in "Star Trek IV", was only in the script, according to the Encyclopedia III
Well, that's another instance were the Encyclopedia is wrong. If you listen really hard, you'll hear that the Shepard was mentioned onscreen.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
I think that's exactly our problem: where does canon end? Encyclopedia says Shepard was not on-screen, but it was. Encyclopedia says Ticonderoga was on-screen, but the scene was cut. Then there is Intrepid. Maybe we should take everything from the final draft of the sript as canon.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
1. Intrepid - I reckon that it's a refit connie. In "Obsession" All the Vulcans died cause of the cloud creature, did they not? The vessel wasn't necessarily destroyed.
2. Have you noticed my little 'cargo ship' isn't in Starbase anymore!
3. I've noticed that the big flood lights usually point to a ship that is parked in the dock - not maybe as much in ST4, but mostly in the ST3 pics/scenes.
4. Nice flood lighting on the Oberth in that Spacedock pic... did we get that in ST3?
5. I still think a series based on that alien reading out weather reports would have been good! Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
The Enc. is just a book made by people. And people make errors all the time. So don't believe everything and trust nobody. ;-)
For me that isn't a real problem. It's rather simple:
Shepard -> onscreen -> canon Ticonderoga -> not onscreen -> not canon.
[ March 13, 2002, 06:50: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: 1. Intrepid - I reckon that it's a refit connie. In "Obsession" All the Vulcans died cause of the cloud creature, did they not? The vessel wasn't necessarily destroyed.
No, the ship was destroyed by that giant-Amoeba-thingee in "The Immunity Syndrome."
I'm going to include a U.S.S. Intrepid of unknown class from TVH in my list. It *could* be the miranda, but that's just speculation. For all we know, it could've been an altogether different ship type that was parked on the far side of the dock (behind the big central core.) I'd certainly rather have it be something like that than a Miranda...
-MMoM
[ March 13, 2002, 15:18: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: Ticonderoga -> not onscreen -> not canon.
But it was mentioned onscreen, it's just that the particular scene was cut from the released version of the film...
-MMoM Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
Well, given that nobody questions a bunch of Okuda's NCC numbers that were NEVER onscreen, or the Daedalus shape, or the entire TNGTM which wasn't onscreen except for bits and pieces...Not to mention fan-invented class-names such as Shelley and other rumors...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I've been wondering something... Why is everyone assuming the Yorktown and Saratoga (and Shepard) are fucked until someone goes to tow 'em back in? When the Probe withdrew past Spacedock, everything came back on. As it withdrew past the locations at which it encountered the other ships, why would they not come back on, too -- if not earlier, when the Probe first shuts down its mysterious energy-damping aura, if it propegates through subspace or some such...?
Why would there be much to "repair" at all if everything just comes back online of its own accord? Yeah, there were some fried circuits and such, but nothing catastrophic springs to mind.
--Jonah
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Spacedock recovered, but the Yorktown was strongly implied to be dead in space long after the Probe passed it. (I don't recall, now, if it had already reached Earth by the time they got the transmission at Starfleet Command.)
It seems possible that the Probe was responsible for "restarting" Spacedock and the vehicles inside it, something it had no reason to do for those unfortunate ships it had encountered earlier.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I always wondered about those people in the auxillary craft in the Spacedock - how long would they have lasted without power!?! And I think there must be some sort of 'atmosphere' - be it impulse gasses or what ever, cause look at them slow down when the power shuts off... they should just keep going (inertia) and bang into the side of the Spacedock!
Andrew
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Spacedock was orbiting earth, being in a 90�-angle to the surface (or, 'facing upwards'). Thus, earth's gravitation may have caused the shuttles to drift downwards, towards the surface of earth. And maybe they slowed down because there were some sort of stabilizers, emegrency boosters to avoid the scenario you described, crashing into something or drifting away if the engines fail.
Posted by NeghVar (Member # 62) on :
Has anyone referenced the Nimoy Director's Cut of ST:TVH on VHS? It was widescreen and as I recall had better coverage of spacedock?
Later! Art
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
First I've heard of it!! The only different versions of the movies I've ever heard of were (The new) Director's TMP, the ABC TWOK, the Video version of TUC (with West), and well the pirate cut Generations scenes on the net (which I haven't got around to looking at!)
Andrew
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
It was the same cut, except it was released on VHS in widescreen and it had an "about widescreen" thingy at the beginning.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...they should just keep going (inertia) and bang into the side of the Spacedock!"
Erm... If the ships would keep moving (which, of course, they would), what would stop Spacedock itself from moving also?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not sure I follow. Why would Spacedock stop moving?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't know. That's what I'm asking. If he's not suggesting that Spacedock stopped moving, why else would the ships crash into the sides of it? Shouldn't they all be moving together?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Don't be dense. He's talking about the travel pods that were seen to slow down and stop when Spacedock lost power... If the interior of Spacedock is a vacuum, they should have continued at the same speed at which they were travelling when they lost power, and run into whichever wall was in the way of their last vector at several tens of kilometers per hour.
The larger ships are indeed moving along with Spacedock, and are indeed motionless relative to that frame of reference... but he wasn't talking about them.
--Jonah
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Perhaps craft intended to be used within Spacedock are equipped with some sort of emergency deceleration procedure. When the pods registered a loss of power they instantly squeezed the last remaining seconds worth into the thrusters, stopping the craft in relation to the dock.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Don't be dense."
Well, it's certainly better than losing molecular cohesion, vaporizing, and blowing away in the wind, isn't it?
Vessels already in motion wrt Spacedock are a different matter entirely, of course. But Simon's explanation sounds as plausible as anything...
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
...it maybe a bit late now...but i reckon that we should take 'canon' to be wat is in the final version of the script..
Buzz
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Didn't someone mention a few weeks ago, that he has TNG and DS9 scripts? I'd like to see them.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
THANKYOU Peregrinus, that is exactly what I was talking about!
Andrew
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
If I understand it correctly...
1) spacedock and pod in orbit, pod on landing pad. They're at the same speed.
then) spacedock in orbit, pod takes off landing pad. The pod's speed in relation to spacedock and earth has changed... but I get the feeling that the pod is in orbit still just like spacedock. Thus the only concern is the speed difference between the pod and spacedock.
This is like a person jumping in an airplane. You don't fly back and go splat [unless of course the plane suddenly fires some type of rockets while you're in mid-air].
So, as long as spacedock was in a stable orbit before the pod took off, and remained in the stable orbit until power was shut off on the pod--- the pod will hit the wall at a speed relative to it's movement in spacedock. I don't think the the crash would be worse than a car accident [I haven't measured the vessel's speed onscreen though].
And if the pod just suddenly stopped, then maybe it was using a subspace or gravity drive instead of plain ole RCS.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
I have TNG and DS9 scripts. Cost me $50 for two CD-ROMS
Nowadays, however, you can buy both CDs and the Encyclopedia CD, along with Star Trek Borg (I believe I have this right) for only $20 in a gift-pack. Check your local computer stores.
Boris
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I don't think I can buy them in Austria. Maybe I can order them at Amazon.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
If the travel pods and whatnot operate by means of intertial control rather than reaction control, then shutting off power could restore the inertia to normal and slow the speed to balance the equations.
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