I had always been under the impression that the name and number of the Curry came from Okuda or someone else in the DS9 Art Dept, as this is what has been stated in most places. But can anyone confirm if this is true? Exactly when did the name first surface, and if Okuda knew it, then why wasn't it included in the Encyclopedia?
Also, on another issue, has there been any other source besides the Fact Files to give the Centaur a number? Was there ever another number associated with the ship, or do all sources (if there are others) conform to NCC-42043?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The Centaur's number was only mentioned by the encyclopedia-appendix of the factfiles. I don't know other sources for it.
And I'd also like to know where the Curry originates.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
The info is correct. I seem to remember that a few years back somebody from the forums e-mailed somebody working for the show (I believe it was David Lombardi from Digital Muse, but that doesn't seem to make sense in retrospect). I remember the Curry-jokes when the name was first revealed.
On checking the Google archives, I found that Brian Barjenbruch posted the info on rec.arts.startrek.tech a few years back, with no indication of the source. Another poster said the source was confidential.
[ March 19, 2002, 08:16: Message edited by: Boris ]
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, let's think about this for a second.
First, years ago we have some rumor, made by somebody, substantiated or unsubstantiated, that the Excelsior kitbash is named the "Curry" and that it's registry number is NCC-45137 or whatever. This is taken as canon by everyone, despite the fact that the name & number is hardly legible on screen.
Now, in March of 2002, we see the first photos ever of the model, and it's called the "Raging Queen" and it's registry number is NCC-42284.
Now, even with photos of the ship available, people are still arguing over the veracity of the name "Curry." So let me get this straight: Why are people taking info that someone just said over info that we can plainly see? "Because Okuda might have said it" isn't good enough. He's a nice guy, but he's not perfect. The mistakes in the Encyclopedia can tell you that.
Yes, sure, it's possible that Dan Curry got ahold of the ship, decided to relabel it after himself, and for some reason change the registry number as well before either repositioning the nacelles or replacing them completely with new ones. Or even better, he made another ship that coincidentally looks like the Raging Queen, and put all the battle damage in exactly the same places as on the other model.
Or, perhaps, it's possible that someone's information was just wrong. I prefer to go with the simplest explanation: The ship was named the Raging Queen, was always named the Raging Queen, and the name Curry was just misinformation.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
But it's possible that the ship was renamed. We don't know for sure.
BTW: Do you know anything about the 2 missing pictures, Dukhat?
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
You know what -- are you guys close to completing the analysis of the pictures? Because I'd really suggest compiling the all the questions, including this one and the Rugrats/Suckats one, soon and e-mailing Gary Hutzel for further clarification. No need to speculate when we can ask.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
We already know that the model was altered, since we can see the difference in the nacelle positioning. How can we say it's unlikely they changed the name?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
theoretically, if it was built (and photographed) in the unstable looking sideways nacelle configuration, and then later and after the fact it was decided that it was going to be in the close pass scene at the opening of the show, the model could have been refurbished with new nacelle struts (and a relabeling would have been sensible, considering that the registry is visible [if not readable] on screen and the cover over injokes if they suspect they might be shown..
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
The NCC-46517 was first spotted by Colin/lindsly/targetemployee. I remember this like it was my birth. I'm 103% certain.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote: I remember this like it was my birth
I don't remember my own birth
Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
*o_0*
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I think, actually, in the Star Trek universe, the ship would most likely be named "Curry" rather than "Raging Queen."
Ensign: The Raging Queen is here to pick you up, sir. Admiral: My wife is here?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
That is of course, assuming cross-dressing wasn't still a part of 24th century culture..
Mark
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Or that Saturday Night Live isn't still running... Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
well I'm willing to accept that both exist: the sideways nacelle variant was called Raging Queen NCC-42284, and the version seen in the episode was U.S.S. Curry NCC-46517.. we know there were the two different ships because we have pictures of both, one an episode screencap and one a model still in the different configuration.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
It wouldn't surprise me if the Raging Queen and the Curry are two different miniatures. I've got "A Time to Stand" on video and I don't consider their battle damage to match. The saucer front damage on the Curry looks larger than the Queen. Also, the Curry completely lacks the damage to the saucer spine.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
So you're wanting to change the name from "Shelly/Curry" to "Raging Carrie" I mean "Raging Curry"
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Sorry, wrong thread.
[ March 20, 2002, 07:46: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
*buh?* are you answering me in that other thread?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Not to throw fuel on the kitbashed/"real" class fire, but the slightly unusual font and lack of USS suggests to me that this is what we might expect a kitbashed ship with no official name to look like.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I don't know... if there is a Starfleet vessel called the Raging Queen, I'd think that the people in charge of naming the ships are having Romulan Ale too often...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Not to throw fuel on the kitbashed/"real" class fire, but the slightly unusual font and lack of USS suggests to me that this is what we might expect a kitbashed ship with no official name to look like.
Really? I'd think that if they were going to take the time to paint the hull at all, they'd be able to take the time to get it right. I mean -- it's not THAT difficult to paint some panels in a matching style, is it?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I think you misunderstand me. I meant to say that a ship unofficially named by its crew may very well feature that named painted in a unique way. Witness the Bounty. In other words, why wouldn't they be creative about it?
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