what do you think? new or just crap accessorie?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
um.. looks exactly like the First Contact phaser with the tip painted silver instead of black.. is that supposed to be a big deal?
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Nevermind this post that I've just deleted before any of you read it, Mike's right... I didn't look closely.
[ July 03, 2002, 07:47: Message edited by: Ryan McReynolds ]
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
Urm actually it has changed. They've basically takent he Endgame phaser and given it a new paintjob.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
no. it looks exactly like the regular phaser, but with a silver tip.
regular phaser:
action figure phaser:
same phaser, different colored tip. that first pic is off of Lee's great phaser website, btw.
[ July 26, 2002, 16:59: Message edited by: EdipisReks ]
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
oh, and that is a fucking awesome action figure. i know where my allowance is going.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I had one picture somewnere, but I can't find it now. But it's still the First Contact phaser, albeit - maybe - with the "Endgame" round buttons:
. . . and, of course, at least one of the variants of the FC rifle makes another reappearance.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by EdipisReks: that first pic is off of Lee's great phaser website, btw.
Only with a different filename, and on a different server. 8)
Which is probably just as well, given the unreliability of Demon's server. I'm hopefully moving in the next coupla weeks, so I'll finally have more webspace to add some updates. . .
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet:
quote:Originally posted by EdipisReks: that first pic is off of Lee's great phaser website, btw.
Only with a different filename, and on a different server. 8)
well yeah, i saved it to my system, resized it and used flare upload. didn't want to steal the site's bandwidth, and all that. Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
No, you can't tell from a tiny little picture with an action figure.
I didn't believe it at first, but the people at AA have seen the actual props, and they also say it's changed. Also, from the few images of the movie we've seen, you can just make out the changes in the phaser. As well as the added grip on the back of the butt, the head is rounded and curved, instead of the very angular one from the older version.
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
quote:Originally posted by capt ussintrepid: No, you can't tell from a tiny little picture with an action figure.
I didn't believe it at first, but the people at AA have seen the actual props, and they also say it's changed. Also, from the few images of the movie we've seen, you can just make out the changes in the phaser. As well as the added grip on the back of the butt, the head is rounded and curved, instead of the very angular one from the older version.
yawn. that pic was linked a couple posts above. it is still basically the first contact phaser.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
No it isn't. While the curved shape is very similar, the actual structure is different. It's much more streamlined. Curves versus straight angles.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
The TNG phaser and the Voyager phaser is the same thing although it had a more relaxed grip.
I other words, you could duct tape a drink holder on a lawnmower and a 1/250 Nebula Class AWACS pod on one, and it's still a lawnmower.
Just because they made it more streamlined doen't mean it's a complete and totally new phaser. Remember the refit of the Enterprise in TFF? Or TMP?
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
It's a new model. It looks different. It's too physically different to be the same props slightly altered.
I'm not talking about the technology, I'm talking about the prop, from a propmakers point of view.
We'll see soon enough I guess.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
(
DUH!!!
) Yes, it's a new model, because you cant take sand paper and sand curves on a hand phaser and make it look good.
(Sorry if that was a bit harsh.)
Posted by Red Ultra CaptainMike Pym (Member # 709) on :
its a bit harsh because it makes you look like a moron because it basically invalidates everything you said in your last post.
its not like they switched handles.. they completely recasted the phaser.
(thats like building a whole new lawnmower, in moron-speak)
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: (
DUH!!!
) Yes, it's a new model, because you cant take sand paper and sand curves on a hand phaser and make it look good.
[ July 27, 2002, 09:50: Message edited by: capt ussintrepid ]
Posted by Red Magnus Pymster (Member # 239) on :
Mr. Intrepid, do not worry. BWC is a very large TitMonkey who plays very silly games. So, like they said in that one story about the goats who were unsatisfied with their current inhabitational situation and needed to venture forth and dwell in another geographical location; "Don't feed the trolls."
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Red Magnus Pymster: BWC is a very large TitMonkey who plays very silly games. So, like they said in that one story about the goats who were unsatisfied with their current inhabitational situation and needed to venture forth and dwell in another geographical location; "Don't feed the trolls."
I'll keep that in mind Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
I would be very cautious of buying from someone using bold blue Comic Sans on a starfield.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
Which brinngs me to another point?
Why the heck are they using phasers?? Where are the Isomagnectic Disentigrators????
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Red Magnus Pymster: Mr. Intrepid, do not worry. BWC is a very large TitMonkey who plays very silly games.
It takes one to know one.
BTW, Intrepid, I dont want this disagreement to make us mortal enimies forever, so can we agree that there will be know hard feelings over this?
Posted by Red Magnus Pymster (Member # 239) on :
"mortal enimies forever"
You seem to overestimate the overall importance of these forums in everyday life. Although, I'm sure he's declared a Corsican Vendetta on your life.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Didn't Han Solo own a Corsican Vendetta?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
*sigh* I'm not sure. I'm with Sol on the dubiousness of the item, but surely if it was fake it would have come to light somehow?
As for whether or not it's a "new" phaser, well, who can say? All the differences are outward and cosmetic; but then again, so were the differnces between the various guises the prop best known as the Jem'Hadar rifle (currently appearing as a pulse rifle in an Enterprise ep near you) manifested in; On the whole, I'm inclined to say it's the same, but will probably feature it on my site as a new weapon just because my FC phaser page is getting just too darned big! 8)
The main (outward) difference between an M16 and an M16A1 was a pronged flash-suppressor on the original; are they different weapons? Discuss.
PS: capt nocapitalletters, do please give us all a laugh and try to suggest I don't know what I'm talking about. . .
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"It takes one to know one."
Actually, it doesn't. For example, I am able to recognize a dog when I see one, despite being human. Or, even within my own species, I am able to recognize a female, despite being male myself. And you are, in fact, a very large TitMonkey who plays very silly games.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: Which brinngs me to another point?
Why the heck are they using phasers?? Where are the Isomagnectic Disentigrators????
You can have the fancy looking Nerf gun, we'll stick to the phasers.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
PHASER RIFLES!!! YES!!! PHASER RIFLES!!!! That's what Nemisis needs! Picard with one oin both hands shooting the &%@# out of Schinzon!!!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Sometimes I wonder if he's being serious or just pretending to be a brass cheese monkey.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
I'm just fooling around. Long long day...
I can be serious if you want me to.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
prove it Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: Which brinngs me to another point?
Why the heck are they using phasers?? Where are the Isomagnectic Disentigrators????
ok picturee this, you in a type nine shuttle ready to go on an away mission. Suddenly the ship is boarded and the shuttlebay is one of the beam in locations, you turn around and fire your weapon (ID) the discharge of the blast not only charges the shuttle with electromagnetic energy but you also miss (kknowing you) and destroy the shuttle craft.
On the other hand you use a phaser and stun their sorry asses.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
And, BTW, ever mention the Isomagnetic Disintegrators in my presence again. I'm still halfway convinced that they're actually the phaser rifles, and the Tetryon Pulse Launcher is the Worfzooka. But Okuda himself told me the reverse, and I believe it's been confirmed in the Fact Files. B(
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
I know this is only 3, but I am really busy doing nothing, besides a storm is coming, better not get killed...
quote:Originally posted by BWC: BTW, Intrepid, I dont want this disagreement to make us mortal enimies forever, so can we agree that there will be know hard feelings over this?
Can't really say I'm all that bothered.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: PS: capt nocapitalletters, do please give us all a laugh and try to suggest I don't know what I'm talking about. . .
Yeah, because after all I came here to be insulted and argue with people.
Don't know you, don't know what you know about weapons, and given your attitude I don't really care. All I was pointing out was it was a new design of prop. I wasn't commenting on it's treknological capabilities. All I'm interested in is its cosmetic appearance for purposes of prop-making.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Colourblind Harry: I would be very cautious of buying from someone using bold blue Comic Sans on a starfield.
Tell that to the guy who bid over $800 for it. Now he needs help.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
BWC: Couldn't you use the same logic to prove that that isn't really an action figure of Picard? I mean, it's not like they have a shrink-ray that can make the phaser propr mold into a miniature version of itself. There are going to be differences.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Remind me, have any of the "I may be a newbie but I know everything and am much better and more important than any of the regulars" people ever lasted here more than a week?
Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Have ANY newbies lasted longer than a week? Yeah, we have BWC, but that's because he just ignores our InsultsTM. And Couple-O-Toyz, but that's because he uses three smilies in one post. Hilarious.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: Remind me, have any of the "I may be a newbie but I know everything and am much better and more important than any of the regulars" people ever lasted here more than a week?
Remind me, exactly where did I say or imply that?
No, no surprise why people don't stay when they're made so welcome Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
You know, capt, if you would just get some capitals in your name, I think you might get accepted. Sometime. It's just that since DARKSTAR joined (and left, and joined, and left), we have been very weary of n00bs. Especially noobs with fanboyish names.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Colourblind Harry: You know, capt, if you would just get some capitals in your name, I think you might get accepted. Sometime. It's just that since DARKSTAR joined (and left, and joined, and left), we have been very weary of n00bs. Especially noobs with fanboyish names.
Frankly all I expected was a little common courtesy. And I have no idea what the hell a noob is, but I'm guessing it's another insult.
And what the business is it of anyone here what I call myself, or whether I capitalise my nick or not?
So yeah, thanks everyone for the warm welcome. Posted by Colourblind Harry (Member # 265) on :
Hey. Easy. No offense intended. Noob is silly internet lingo for newbie. Rule #1: Never take us seriously. NEVER.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Colourblind Harry: Hey. Easy. No offense intended. Noob is silly internet lingo for newbie. Rule #1: Never take us seriously. NEVER.
Sorry, just getting a little POed with people taking potshots.
But your point is well-taken.
[ July 28, 2002, 10:06: Message edited by: capt ussintrepid ]
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
It is stage one of Newbism. We rag you a lot and probably make you mad, but never take it to heart. Usually.
The DARKSTAR guy was funny.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: It is stage one of Newbism. We rag you a lot and probably make you mad, but never take it to heart. Usually.
I can live with that...
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:We rag you a lot and probably make you mad, but never take it to heart.
Spoken like an accepted member of the community.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: I know this is only 3, but I am really busy doing nothing, besides a storm is coming, better not get killed...
[IMG]http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Laugh on own.gif[/IMG]
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
Can't take a joke? Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
Hmm, while it wasn't intended as such, reading my earlier posts with a more critical eye I can see they might have been taken as stating of fact rather than opinion. So apologies to anyone who took them that way, but it wasn't my intention.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
No worries, dude. Trial by fire and all that. And, uh, given the recent quality of what the cat's dragged in here, I think you'll understand some of the preemptive animosity. But I think it wouldn't be out of line for me to glare at certain people and point out that in all likelihood that this one's a keeper.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
Hey, only 236 posts to go before your accepted. If you really want to know what will happen, PM me.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Postcount != acceptance. You should know that better than anyone else, BWC.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
And you mature and dont act like a jerk.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Hey, Koy...Double post! Looks like you're also calling youself stupid. LOL Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Apologies for the double-barrelled metaphor, but if you climb down off your high horse and pull your head out of your ass, you'll find you get along here OK. 8)
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: Apologies for the double-barrelled metaphor, but if you climb down off your high horse and pull your head out of your ass, you'll find you get along here OK. 8)
Personally I think it's more amusing being an over opinionated windbag, with absolutely no concern for the likes of you 'orrible lot!
You know, I never got ragged when I was a wee newbie....I feel so unloved and neglected... Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
i think your missing the point of a double post, think of it this way the stupid is following a stupid who is following...
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I GET YUO! I GET TEH POINT! IT IS LIEK TEH TURTEL ON TEH BACK OF TEH TURTLE AND IST TURTELS AL TEH WAY DOWN!
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
BUT!1> HOWE CAN YUO PUTA TURTAL IN ANOTHAR TURTAL!1?/? I MEAN WFT?1 THEY"RE IN A HAELF SHELLE, SO WHAT?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
y3rtl3 0wnz j00.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
F33L 7]-[3 0'//N4G3!
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Man...I go home for the weekend and all hell breaks loose. Nice to see that Koy is back and that he and *insert color*BWC seem to be in a pissing match again.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: It is stage one of Newbism. We rag you a lot and probably make you mad, but never take it to heart. Usually.
The DARKSTAR guy was funny.
We?
Posted by Red Ultra CaptainMike Pym (Member # 709) on :
DARKSTAR was far more accepted than either of you. Take it to PMs cuz we're sick of reading about it.
And I mean 'WE' like the bulk of Flare Members.. when BWC says 'WE' he means himself and his imaginary friends. Don't put words in our mouth, OK, man? Your breached warp core routine is far more n00bz compared to how koy-peled has matured.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Colourblind Harry: You know, capt, if you would just get some capitals in your name, I think you might get accepted. Sometime. It's just that since DARKSTAR joined (and left, and joined, and left), we have been very weary of n00bs. Especially noobs with fanboyish names.
ahem...fanboyish no caps well i've seemed to have covered the basics.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Red Ultra CaptainMike Pym: DARKSTAR was far more accepted than either of you.
either of who?
Anyway i don't get the big deal about this new hand phaser...all it is is an upgraded version of what the set was using before nothing to bring out the schematics for or anything. Besides if it does have anything to do with technological evolusion then it should have been taken in stride just as compression phaser rifles were.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: climb down off your high horse and pull your head out of your ass
If that was aimed at me, I'd suggest you do so first
If not, well forget I mentioned it.
Posted by Red Ultra CaptainMike Pym (Member # 709) on :
quote:ahem...fanboyish no caps well i've seemed to have covered the basics.
what the fuck? you-re a little deficient in the name making sense department too.. get the hell off your high horse.
To clarify a few points
1) This thread - is about phasers, not the pot calling the kettle black. or the newbies calling the other newbies.
Talk about phasers.. and take this business elsewhere
koy, BWC and ussintrepid -- none of you really have been here long enough to play this retarded game of king of the hill. as of right now, i consider you all to be annoying newbies who are derailing this thread.
i think they should just close it, rather than have the three of you annoy the general Flare readership any longer.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Red Ultra CaptainMike Pym: [QB][QUOTE]
koy, BWC and ussintrepid -- none of you really have been here long enough to play this retarded game of king of the hill. as of right now, i consider you all to be annoying newbies who are derailing this thread. QB]
Apologies for taking this off topic, but I was trying to discuss phasers until people started ragging on me. I merely responded. Politely I might point out. Besides, I had nothing to do with the flame-fest above.
However, apologies to anyone who has been bothered by me trying to stick up for myself.
[ July 29, 2002, 09:35: Message edited by: capt ussintrepid ]
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
yes, intrepid...you were. It does indeed appear that the End Game version of the hand phaser has been modified to serve as the new standard Starfleet side arm for the new movie. It is extrememly similar to the First Contact version we all know and love but the body seems to be more curvilinear. The only clues we can get fro mthe toy, though, is the color scheme. It's really too small and inaccurate to base anything on. The Ebay picture was great, though, and does appear to follow the toy's color scheme.
BWC...koy... it's old guys... really, really old...
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
i believe that i've already pointed out the fact that i eccept my position in this forum, but i've been lurking latly and came back at the wrong time, perhapes nobody noticed my points about the phaser a post or two up.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
Well the model makers at AA indicated that they'd seen the props and that the eBay images were pretty accurate.
Whether the technical specs of the weapon have changed is anyone's guess I suppose. I can see a case either way.
Be interesting to hear what the guys in the know have to say about it.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You mean THIS?
quote:Originally posted by koy'peled Oy'tio: Anyway i don't get the big deal about this new hand phaser...all it is is an upgraded version of what the set was using before nothing to bring out the schematics for or anything.
I don't even understand it. I assume you're saying that it's a simple upgrade of the FC design. Of course the two are similar, but the point is, it seems to be a different prop. The thread was started because some of us dig seeing new stuff. Some of us even make websites about new stuff.
The Trek explanation for the new design will probably never be given, but a small efficiency or power upgrade might cause a new model to be designed. Art types are always looking for reason to make cool stuff.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
i eccept my position in this forum, but i've been lurking latly and came back at the wrong time, perhapes nobody noticed my points
Your novel's due out when?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by capt ussintrepid: the model makers at AA
Drunks designing props. Well.
I suppose that does tend to explain the Worfzooka, doesn't it.
Posted by BWC (Member # 818) on :
When did I say I was accepted?
(OffTopic ends now!)
And about phasers, it seems to me that is is just laziness on TPTB's part that they wanted to use the Endgame phaser, because that was supposed to be in the 2400's, right? And what's wrong with the old borgkiller from First Contact?
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik:
quote:Originally posted by capt ussintrepid: the model makers at AA
Drunks designing props. Well.
I suppose that does tend to explain the Worfzooka, doesn't it.
LOL, OK no more abbreviating Art Asylum. Though you're right, it certainly would explain Worf's whatever it was
Anyway, looking at the few released promo pics from Nemesis, there are a few (barely discernible) views of the hand phaser. To me it looks as though they may have shrunk it a bit as well.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by BWC: When did I say I was accepted?
(OffTopic ends now!)
And about phasers, it seems to me that is is just laziness on TPTB's part that they wanted to use the Endgame phaser, because that was supposed to be in the 2400's, right? And what's wrong with the old borgkiller from First Contact?
Personally, I think they just wanted a new prop to market, given Art Asylum now has the license for Trek toys. And I guess the Endgame phaser is as good as any. Though frankly I don't see why there was any need to change it. Ah well.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Laziness? Or maybe a touch of continuity. There was no need to change the com badges for Generations either. They did it so there's a touch of newness to some of the things. Personally, I'd much rather see a slightly different phaser than totally revamped uniforms again. Don't get me wrong... I love the FC unis... they just need to stick around for awhile.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
Nice to see some positive continuity actually.
Either way, I like them, they're a nice updating. I wasn't convinced at first, but the supposed Nemesis paintjob makes a big difference. At least to me.
As for the uniforms, I agree. It's way too soon to change them again. New tech is, I guess, a nice subtle change.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Agreed there. The FC uniforms haven't gotten much mileage out of them, compared to the DS9/VOY jumpsuits. 2.5 years on DS9, two (now three) movie appearances, and a smattering of guest usages on Voyager isn't much. I'm guessing that out of all the uniforms they have piled up in the Paramount closet, the FC uniforms are probably the least worn and thus would make most sense for showing up on various extras in an inevitable Enterprise episode. This I swear.
As for the phaser, I'm good with that too. Technically speaking, the current type-II phaser has been seen in use since Voyager's second, and DS9's mid-fourth seasons. This is now matching the lasting use of almost any phaser prop has been in service. It's predecessor lasted around 6.5 years (TNG seasons 3-7 plus one year or so). But of course, as far as we can tell the longest in-context service we've known for a phaser is the old Type 3/4 (or whatever Shane called it in Mr. Scott's Guide), which started in the movies and despite bieng replaced in the movie series, was in active use aboard the Enterprise-C in 2344 - over sixty years later! Anyway, most phasers tend not to last very long in their series, and so replacing it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Mark
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Well said Mark. 8)
I don't have a problem with the idea of a new prop. But the end result as shown in the EBay photos, well, it seems to me a bit crap really. Maybe they're trying to move away from the standards set throughout TNG etc., hence the now gold-curvy look. But the actual gold-curvy look would be better suited to an alien weapon on Stargate SG-1 in my opinion, not a Starfleet weapon.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Magnus Pym Eye:
i eccept my position in this forum, but i've been lurking latly and came back at the wrong time, perhapes nobody noticed my points
Your novel's due out when?
properly tis tyme 203 ore ltter no i'n novemer ...
What about yours? Hmm? You know its funny I don't remember being put under a microscope.
Anyway, does any body know if the phaser fights will look the same as the ones on Enterprise? Also I have been noticing something about Schinzon's silhouette looks an awful lot like the dude in the suliban time room.
[ July 30, 2002, 09:01: Message edited by: koy'peled Oy'tio ]
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: But the actual gold-curvy look would be better suited to an alien weapon on Stargate SG-1 in my opinion, not a Starfleet weapon.
Personally, I really dislike the oval buttons. Though you're right, there is a sort of alienish look to it. Then again, I could kind of see a very loose line of evolution from this to the 29th century phaser.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: Drunks designing props. Well.
I suppose that does tend to explain the Worfzooka, doesn't it.
Hey, don't diss the Isomagnetic Thingy-majig. It's way bigger than a phaser, and does much less. The damn thing is the crowning achievement of dumb Starfleet engineering.
Personally, I think the Type-2 phaser of the DS9-FC era has reached its perfection in form. Any changes to it now would only make it uglier again. They might as well as build a completely new hand phaser model.
Posted by Mr. Pink (Member # 621) on :
What the HELL DOES THAT MEAN???????
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
"I don't remember being put under a microscope."
You were put under a microscope for being all like: "Hey I write novels! Har! Har!" when really you're all: "Hey I'm an unintelligible Asshat! Har Har!"
As far I know, authors need to be able to write.
Posted by cap'tain Mik'eo (Member # 709) on :
I liek ships
Posted by cap'tain Mik'eo (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by cap'tain Mik'eo: I liek ships
I liek phasors to.
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
quote:Hey, don't diss the Isomagnetic Thingy-majig. It's way bigger than a phaser, and does much less. The damn thing is the crowning achievement of dumb Starfleet engineering.
that, my friend, is my new signature.
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
BTW, my TV guide Star Trek 35 Anniv. Tribute has some Nemesis pics, showing Picard with the new grip topped phaser on his hip with the bridge exploding around him. doesnt look too radically different.
and it has my new quote in the article too...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Has it occurred to anyone that no matter how "accurate" these new action figures are, it's still pretty difficult to judge how a new prop is going to be when the only decent image we have is from a plastic mock-up that is probably one-tenth of the real size?
That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing the "Endgame" phaser being used, although I think it would make more sense to get more mileage out of the current FC-era hand phaser first. The FC phaser is my favorite -- it combines the usual functional grey style of Starfleet with a nice, sleek, curved handle that implies easy handling and something approaching ergonomic design. (I've never actually held a phaser-like prop, so I can't be sure, but it's probably a hell of a lot better than those old "dust-buster" props they had in TNG's first season.)
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
In english (not gibberish as i was pointing out to The Eye) Means: Probably this time 2003, or maybe later on in november.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by Prismatic EdipisReks: that, my friend, is my new signature.
ROFL, I'm honored.
As for phaser comfort, I've only held the later TNG era Type-2s. Not exactly the most brilliant weapon design I've ever come across, rather hard to aim with, and probably not good for your wrist in a prolonged fire fight. I can only imagine what the original dust buster Type-2s were like. But the FC Type-2s, with their curved handles, must have been much easier to use (and for the FX ppl to tell where the thing's pointed). I'd get one of those Playmate ones if I come across one for a responsible price.
I think the original Type-2 designers got ahead of themselves. Pistols are shaped the way they are instead of looking like remote controls for a reason.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain... Mike: [QB]BTW, my TV guide Star Trek 35 Anniv. Tribute has some Nemesis pics, showing Picard with the new grip topped phaser on his hip with the bridge exploding around him. doesnt look too radically different.QB]
Gah! Scan, please?! I have a whole new page of my website to turn out, I need pics! 8)
As for the overall design, we have to remember that Roddenberry didn't want weapons that looked like guns. Over time the remote controls that resulted have been modified, as David T surmised, to make it easier for the actors to point in the direction the FX guys need. So now we reach what could be the last outing of the Star Trek that has anything to do with Gene, and they feel the need for a weapon redesign, what are they going to do? Give them large pistol-shaped blasters? Slight overtones of 'final nail in the coffin' or what?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
OK, found it, though not an especially good one. Here, then, is what we have so far:
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
"Heeeerrrreee's Willlyyy!!!"
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Gads, so it *IS* the Endgame phaser!
Mark
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
pretty ugly. the roundness makes it look like soap thats a little too well used.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I don't mind the shape, though I'd have preferred if they'd kept the squarish buttons. It now looks like the handle of a standup vacuum that someone's snapped off... Still, unlike its immediate predecessor it doesn't look as much like a *weapon*, per TNG-Roddenberry doctrine. Nor as flimsy, since the slim blocky look of the predecessor made it seem like two independent sections (the handle and firing chamber). If anything, this phaser is almost regressing to the round phasebuster look of the first two seasons!
And on a separate note - if they're switching to the Endgame phaser, one wonders if the counterpart tricorder will also make an appearance...
Mark
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
its basically the FC phaser reiterated, a little more sleekly and shedding many of the TNG phaser design elements, like the top cover over the button recess. i could do without the oval buttons either.. they do seem to suggest a more alien technology than a Federation look.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Is there any reason we're calling this the "FC phaser"? It debuted over a year beforehand, no?
Mark
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
FC phaser is one character shorter than DS9 or VOY phaser. We're just that lazy.
And it seems that everyone is in agreement about the ugliness of the oval buttons. The sky's gonna fall.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Strange, isn't it? There's no reason why oval buttons shouldn't work, yet they plainly don't.
Meanwhile, what year is it in Star Trek 'now?' Since I'm going to have to guesstimate how long this model has been in service. . .
So, the TNG Phaser chronology goes thus:
Dustbuster Phaser, pre-2363 to 2365 BarcodeReader Phaser, 2365 to 2371 Banana Phaser, 2371 to ? Stargate Phaser, ? to. . . whenever "Endgame" was set!
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
quote: Captain's Log. Stardate 47844.9. The Enterprise has arrived at Romulus and is waiting at the designated coordinates. All our hails have gone unanswered. We've been waiting for seventeen hours.
That's from the infamous online script; all caveats therefore apply.
If you want the date on the Judeo-Christian calender, I'll step out of the conversation...correlating real dates to Trek stardates gives me a headache.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
VP: 2378 for Endgame.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
That stardate is clearly a placeholder, since it would be from TNG's seventh season! If you're gonna dig through the script, trot out something modestly useful, like this:
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PICARD: "Will Riker, you have been my trusted right arm for fourteen years [...]"
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In other words, the year is 2378, unless they change/drop that line.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Call it 2379 to 2404, Lee.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Gotcha. And, can we confirm that the Banana Phaser appeared in DS9 season 4, which I think was the season concurrent with Voyager season 2 (when a ship lost in the DQ miraculously acquired the new phasers)?
2378, my word. It only seems like yesterday it was 2370. Where does the time go? 8)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Colorful Cartman: VP: 2378 for Endgame.
I assume he means the future portions of Endgame, not the present ones. He can work them out for himself.
Er, can't you Lee? Eh?
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
In that case, make it 2404.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
Talking of tricorders, I think the model makers at Art Asylum also mentioned that the tricorders had changed. I don't recall exactly what they said, but they did mention a larger screen area.
Though I don't recall the description sounding like the Endgame one. But then, that's purely subjective.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Is there any reason we're calling this the "FC phaser"? It debuted over a year beforehand, no?
Hmm, chronologically it does predate the movie, but I thought we first saw it in First Contact?
Of course, it's been a while, so I may well be mistaken.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Actually, I didn't know either date - I wasn't sure about the actual year of Voyager's final season, so I had nostarting frame of reference; in addition, no matter how many times I've tried to figure it out I don't know how far in the future Admiral Janeway came from.
And I've just realised I've no idea when the Banana Phaser first appeared on DS9. Earliest image I have of it on that show is from "Paradise Lost," which aired Jan 1996, 10 months before ST:FC came out, and about a year chronology-wise before the approximate point in DS9's timeline that the events of ST:FC were meant to take place. So, let's say it first appeared in season 4, the season which did run concurrently with the Voyager season where they got the phasers. Simple, really. 8)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It actually appeared several episode into the fourth season, as when the Klingons attacked the station in "Way of the Warrior", Sisko and company were definitely using the older phasers. The first time I noticed the banana phasers on Voyager was in the episode where Chakotay spends time with the young Kazon (played by Aron Eisenberg/Nog).
On a side note, anyone wonder what happened to the medical tricorder? I mean the one with the big attachment on the end of it. Voyager never used it as far as I can remember, and there was never an attachment-equipped version of the newer one.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Hmm, are you sure? I know the Doctor used the little mini-scanner that fit into the end of it. Perhaps we weren't supposed to notice the headpiece thing was missing?
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
quote: If you're gonna dig through the script, trot out something modestly useful
There are useful things in that script?
Though yes, your Picard Quote is better. Curses.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
What ever happened to the thumb phaser you know the type one that they are suppose to conceal. I saw nothing wrong with the little one. It still had vaporize capability (up to the 8th setting) Why not improve the capability of a smaller phaser? Why use a bigger version when there is a smaller one? Oh, right the fear factor.
*civilian style voice* Everybody run! A big, bulky more sleek version of the other phaser were afraid of!
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While it might be a nice weapon for a discreet diplomatic mission, a 'cricket' phaser on the battlefield could be quite ineffective. It's so small, it would either get lost or break down. That's why, in Real Life, army technology is usually not so focused on making things smaller and sleeker.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I think the TNG:TM said something about the little "hand phaser" having a very small power reserve.
Hmm... there was a reason that I bought the Tech Manuals for myself a while ago...
*looks up "Phasers" in TNG:TM*
According to my calculations, the Type-2 phaser holds something like 6.25 times the energy of the Type-1. That's a huge boost when you're considering a combat situation with undetermined duration. And if it's wartime, you probably want to carry the rifle instead, since it has even larger reserves. (Which is exactly what they did on DS9, even if that's probably not what the producers were thinking.)
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: While it might be a nice weapon for a discreet diplomatic mission, a 'cricket' phaser on the battlefield could be quite ineffective. It is so small; it would either get lost or break down. That's why, in Real Life, army technology is usually not so focused on making things smaller and sleeker.
I probably should have made it clear the civilian was being attacked by someone with the type two phaser not the type one.
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: According to my calculations, the Type-2 phaser holds something like 6.25 times the energy of the Type-1. That is a huge boost when you are considering a combat situation with undetermined duration. In addition, if it is wartime, you probably want to carry the rifle instead, since it has even larger reserves. (Which is exactly what they did on DS9, even if that is probably not, what the producers were thinking?)
*Opens Favorites menu, clicks DITL link, goes to weaponry, clicks phaser�s, looks up relatively canon information*
Ah...but according to temporal physics, some time has past since that model was in use, therefore they could probably reproduce superior technology within the same container/space and/or shape. Therefore, your whole theory about �Huge boost�s� and changing the subject from general use to wartime strategy makes your argument void. You�Are the weakest link�goodbye.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, perhaps some Starfleet Exo-Ergonomics Engineer found out a slightly larger grip was better.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
I'm not sure if you've noticed or not but the only species that the grips would be ergonomically incorrect for are the klingons...and i'm pretty sure they wouldn't care to hold a federation phaser anyway.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Don't forget the Xzrrgians. They are in Starfleet too, and have really large slimy tentacles! YES!
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
ahem...and how would that help with a big long handle sticking out hmm: The Score
Koy Master 4 Harry 3
Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
they quit using the cricket because it was hard for the blinder members of the viewing audience to see the thing in people's hands. who is this "master koy" you mentioned, troll?
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
some guy i knew way back...waaayyy back.
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
i'm unamused.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'm QUITE amused, because this guy thinks he's so smart.
Yes, I'm quite aware that the modified phaser casing might imply a slightly more advanced device. Would it make you more happy if I referenced the DS9:TM instead?
quote:DS9:TM says: The Type-2 phaser modifications include an improved sarium-krellide power cell, curved grip, and reinforced prefire chamber...
So, they put in a stronger battery and made the thing easier to handle. Whoop-de-do!
Furthermore, I was certainly not "changing the subject" because for two whole years, combat WAS the "general use" of the phaser. And when the hell would a phaser NOT be primarily used for combat? The goal for ANY type of weapon is to build one that provides sufficient firepower to defend from or defeat an enemy, and also be equipped with sufficient ammunition/power in order to maintain readiness for a reasonably long amount of time. There is no reason for those principles to change, ever.
I also find it quite amusing that you'd try to trump a TNG:TM argument with something from DITL. No matter how "official" that guy might present his stuff as (even with the semi-convenient but gaudy coloring system), it's still nothing but interpretation.
You have much to learn, young padawan.
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
DITL is about as canon as my looseleaf notebook.
and how do you knowabout Klingon ergonomics.. last i checked, Michael Dorn had used his regular bone and muscle hand structure to hold Federation phasers for many many years.. unless you read on a fanboy imaginated website he couldnt
and whats with this lame geek-upsmanship contest? are you trying to piss people off now? go use TrekBBS at least until you turn 12, kid.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The End Score
Couple-O-Toys: -2349190 The rest: 47
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They were willing to drag out the type I when the script called for someone to carry a concealed weapon, though. "In The Flesh," for example, and...well, "In The Flesh." So it's not like they burned all the props, and then took the designers, model-makers, thinkers of all stripes out into the wooded backlot of that distant Paramount complex and had them burned too.
Right.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
maybe you guys are right i need to do some real homework but in the meantime... Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
The only other modern Trek episode where I remember them using the Type-1 is "Encounter at Farpoint," where that Redshirt helmsman tried to attack Q, and got frozen. He was holding a Type-1.
And koy-plowed-under (or whatever), what I'm suggesting is that you GROW UP. I'm usually pretty forgiving, but this discussion is not supposed to be a competition. There are no brownie points or cash awards for any imaginary winner of a debate. Posted by Trimm (Member # 865) on :
The Type 1 saw quite abit of use during the first season actually, "The Last Outpost" and "Angel One" being two examples I can think of offhand.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Er, modern?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Presumably he means modern, as opposed to TOS. Since there was an eighteen year gap separating them...
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
so the type one is not in use now or what? Pre or post Nemesis
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
if you dont know we arent going to tell you.
NYAH NYAH NYAH
*just trying to keep the maturity level even*
lock this thread, please. it annoys me.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Sol: Sorry, I thought that term was more commonly known. When I say "Modern Trek," I refer to TNG, DS9, and Voyager. I suppose some might rope ENT into this category, since despite B&B's claims, it still has more in common with recent series than with TOS. But since ENT has nothing to do with this discussion, who cares?
Koy-plod-along, you might want to seriously consider getting some of the important reference books that we use before you try to look smarter than the rest of us.
And just to prove how useful it can be, I'm going to take pity on you and answer your question. Although the Type-1 hand phaser has not been seen since early TNG, the DS9 Tech Manual mentions that the design is still in use "as a backup weapon to supplement the Type-2 holstered phaser." (Section 10.4, Page 87.) To speculated, I would say that soldiers keep one in their pocket (or wherever) when in combat in case their power cell on their regular phaser runs out, or if they lose it somehow.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
Sorry if this has already been mentioned. I think the last time we saw the cricket used on TNG was The Game. Wesley set one on automatic to fire at a forcefield.
Most recent use, AFAIK, was In The Flesh, as someone has already mentioned.
Posted by koy'peled Oy'tio (Member # 796) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain... Mike: NYAH NYAH NYAH *just trying to keep the maturity level even*
Um...that means what exactly? Besides your not doing a very good job considering it's way over your head.
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
What's "you're" novel about, anyway?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It's before "The Game", but Geordi also used a type-I when he attempted to kill that Klingon bloke in "The Mind's Eye".
I don't think they ever updated the design though.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
A friendly word from your new moderator. Kittens.
Now some other words from your new moderator. No, I'm not locking this thread yet: the signal-to-noise ratio seems to be a bit above 5:1 so far, which is actually pretty good. But pretty please, if you must make noise, just move it to the Flameboard. Plenty of room there.
In any case, Flare in the past few months has built a track record of sending almost all the newbies packing in no time flat. It's not something I feel proud about, folks. Don't believe in the stories that inbreeding isn't so harmful after all. You'll see when it turns us all into ugly retards who can't even spell "koy'peled Oy'tio" and other common words.
Have a nice day. And kittens. Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't think the type I really needs redesigning. It looks much sleeker than its original counterpart. Though that may be a side-effect of never being able to really see it clearly. Anyway.
Posted by Trimm (Member # 865) on :
My biggest problem with the type one is the fact that its so little I'd be scared to drop it, especially with the way they hold them in the show.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Very true... it looks like, if you squeee too hard, it'll squirt out from between your thumb and index finger.
I started watching "Encounter at Far Point" today and got to see the little guy in action when Torres whipped it out (presumably from beneath the helm console) to try and get the drop on Q.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Torres?
Even worse, someone mistaking the Type One for one of those shavers.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Yup, the Redshirt helmsman was named Torres. No idea if he had any relation to John...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'm in the middle of watching a rerun of "Repression," and Chakotay tells all of the other crewmembers to carry "hand phasers." Although some of the crew were carrying the Type-2's, like B'Elanna, there were other Maquis in subsequent scenes who apparently weren't carrying weapons at all. Though I haven't spotted any of the crickets, the mention is clue enough that they haven't been forgotten.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Hasn't this thread died yet? I go away for a week, it continues. . . The Type-I is actually pretty nice to hold; I have a toy one on a keyring which my brother bought me (I'm trying to persuade him to get me the Phase Pistol for my birthday!). Trying to get a capture using my webcam. . . nope. Fucking thing.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I find a little irony in the fact that you brought this thread back to the top of the stack in order to complain that it hadn't died yet.
I had a small keyring of the Type-2 phaser a while ago -- it was misplaced, so I don't have it now. It wasn't a full-size model or anything, but I remember noticing that it must have been rather difficult to hold and aim with the relatively horizontal grip. (I'd hate to imagine how the actors dealt with the first season dustbuster props!)
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Isn't it Andromeda that features Kevin Sorbo routinely shooting at the bad guys with a hollow cardboard tube? That seems rough on the wrists.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Surely that was Blake's Seven?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Liam's humour remains rooted firmly in the Smallest Room. . . but he's almost correct. They were modified toilet brushes. 8)
And I was able to get my webcam working, incredibly. Just by unplugging and reconnecting it. Typical, yet I suspect it's just a short-term fix. Sony: nice webcams, crap software.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I was actually being serious. Honest.
You have lovely fingernails Lee, BTW.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Are you sure it's not his wife's hand? Oh, wait. No feathers.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Another problem with the Type-1: it's so damn small that it's hard to draw from its little pocket space and hold, especially for big people with big hands. Worf couldn't even draw his Type-1 in "The Dauphin".
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Worf never claimed to be much of an artist though.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahem...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
*vapourises Liam*
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Missed me, missed me, now you gotta kiss me!
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I'd go for the vapourisation if I were you.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
That's not very flattering for Kate, is it?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Think laterally, not literally. You'd be in my thrall for ever, cursed to act as my sex slave. I == gOOd kI$$OR!!!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yes, but with things other than your own hand?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Okay, among the things going down here is the signal-to-noise ratio. And the page count alarmingly begins to challenge the former champions from the holy field of Wolf 359 research. So I'll close down this one and ask everybody to move on.
Why?
Because I can.
(Actually, I'm not even sure if I can, since I've never done this before. But it gives me a hard-on to even think I have Da Powah. No hard feelings, folks.)
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