I was watching my season 2 tape this morning and noticed that we get a pretty good lookee at the Lantree's bridge. It looks quite a bit different that the Reliant's and, as far as I remember, different from the Saratoga's too.
My guess is that it's a redress of the Battle Bridge with fancy LCARS panels on the back walls, but still, does anyone know where a brotha could find some screen caps or a little artwork?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The Lantree bridge is basically a one-wall set using the battle bridge monitor as the main LCARS display behind the CO chair. The two flanking stations use generic consoles and chairs. There reallyisn't enough to make a full bridge set out of the one shot we saw...
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... I'll have to take a closer look at that back wall and the stations. The forward ops and conn consoles look like the same ones from the Battle bridge.
I guess you're right, the range of vision was pretty much limited to the area right behind the captain's chair. Still... it looked like a pretty neat design.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Same thing as the Odyssey's bridge. I loved what I saw of it, but it was only a one-wall set Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not sure I see what there is to love. A captain's chair, two stations in front of that, a wall display behind..., it's the prototypical Starfleet bridge.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Was the bridge of the Odyssey really just a one-wall set?
IIRC, we saw scenes with officers running around that bridge while Captain Keogh gave orders to the crew. I think that shot showed more than just the back wall.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
can you say 'fixed camera position'? there were prople running and Keough and his number one were a ways from the wall, but the camera never tracked any of the shot, so therefore the only scenery shown was a static wall.
at least i think it was.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nope. We had more than a one-wall set - technically, it was a half-set. We had the aft stations, the tactical rail (NOT the one on the E-D, I might add), two of possibly three command chairs, and at least one of the two forward stations. The shots were mostly with only the aft stations in view, but in at least one shot we see the ops console, the guy sitting at it, and the port wall of the set behind him before panning aftwards.
Mark
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Thanks, that's what I meant. I will have a look myself tomorrow when I manage to dig up the tape.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Here's a computer display of the bridge.
And the picture on the viewscreen.
They're the best caps I could get.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Danko, Phlox. I noticed, too that pretty much the same set up served as the hearing room in "Measure of a Man". The "witness stand" was facing away from the Battle Bridge monitor which was filled in with LCARS just like it is on the Lantree bridge. The monitor also served as the back wall of one of the bridges in "The Outrageous Okana", though, in that episode, there was no filler and one could see through the hole.
Now, as I look at this picky, I see something odd... the LCARS panels to the sides of the big graphic that run horizontally look well out of reach if the floor is at the same level as the captain's chair. It almost looks like a set of two or three stairs goes up to a second level right in front of the big LCARS monitor. Am I crazy?
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Every piece of technology on that bridge smacks of 2360's era tech. Yet the ship is Miranda class, with a whopping 18XX registry. Why is this? (And before everyone says, "Well, you can replace the bridge module with an upgraded version," why would they do this for this particular ship? It's not like the Lantree was anything special. It was just an 80 year old transport ship.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
um.. well, they obviously upgraded from WindowsME (movie era) to WindowsTNG because of the LCARS graphics, but thats the E-D captains chair, which is a reuse of a seat from Voyage Home, and the conn and ops are the TNG conn and ops, which have been in use as far back as the Excelsior and E-B.
I dont see any other tech. How is this inconsistent with movie era tech?
And even if it wouldnt be worth giving a smacking new bridge for a frigate converted to supply ship, they would at least have to reupholster the chairs.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I guess what I'm saying is that the bridge tech is way too advanced for a ship that is of the same class as the Reliant (and even built before the Reliant, if registries are chronological). Sure, upgrades would be commonplace if the ship is still serving an important function (i.e. Sisko's Saratoga was definitely still performing as a warship), but all the Lantree was doing was routine transport.
I guess what I'm REALLY saying is that TPTB for TNG should have built some more "newer" models than just the Enterprise-D, instead of reusing old movie-era ships, if the interiors were going to be 24th century tech. Their attitude was "We're not going to spend money building new models if the show gets cancelled halfway through the first season." Silly, silly men.
Note: Remember that matte painting of the pre-Ambassador ship Andy Probert made for "EaF"? That would have been perfect for the Lantree, since it basically never moved an inch in the shot.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
except the pre-ambassador was a huge explorer, not a cargo ship at all.
you still havent proven your basic statement.. how is a bridge with a wall display, and three stations 'too modern'??
its true that TPTB took the easy way out by making it an ancient ship. but theres nothing about what we saw that doesnt concur with movie era tech.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
In comparison to the Reliant's bridge stations, displays, etc. they are. To my knowledge, TNG LCARS displays were not in use for ships in the 2XXX to 25XX range of registries. which of course is even higher than the Lantree's reg.
Of course it's quite possible that sometime in, say, the 2340's, the Lantree was upgraded because it was serving a more important function at the time, but then after it was concluded, the ship was relegated to transport duty.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't think even unimportant ships are going to be left with computer interfaces that are 80 years old, especially if they've already got touchpad consoles, whose controls are presumably as easy to update as downloading LCARS Interface 12.3.1 from starfleet.patch.sbase133. Or something.
Incidently, can someone tell me where the Lantree's registry comes from? I can't find it anywhere but the encyclopedia. I realize they probably slapped some new stickers on the model when the pulled the torpedo launcher off, but as far as I can determine it isn't visible onscreen.
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
The Stargazer, a relatively important ship, had interfaces from the movie era. And the Xhosa, a relatively unimportant ship, had interfaces from the TOS era.
And yes, the Lantree was relabeled as NCC-1837. You can't see it in the episode, but there's a good picture in the TNG 10th anniversary book.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Perhaps the bridge module was swapped out 40 years ago which would explain the decor, and the "operating system" has been upgraded progressively as, probably, all ships on active duty are.
The Stargazer had been lost for quite a few years, so naturally, it wouldn't have the most modern interface. The Lantree, though it be old, has been in active service al this time, so it would probably recieve at least minor refits on a regular basis.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And the Xhosa wasn't Starfleet.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Briefly going back to the Odyssey's bridge, I would not be surprised if they took the Nebbie class Prometheus bridge and redressed that. You replace the center back wall where the Prommie had her plaque with one with displays, you add the E-D like rail, and replace the free-standing stations that flank the captain's chair with two chairs and you have the Odyssey's bridge. The rest of the set would be as it was.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
I dont think any Starfleet vessel in active service would be left with old interfaces though.. i cant imagine the software problems invovled with running a fleet all running different version of an old operating system.
the only times we saw the movie era OS in TNG were ships that had been out of service at least that long. the E-C, Hathaway, Jenol*n and Stargazer all having ME OS because they were old.. ships left in service all had standard LCARS
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I don't think software compatibility would really be a problem. After all, these things are built to talk to ALIEN computers when needed. Surely they can handle backward compatibility with something human and merely 200 years old. Or forward compatibility with something 200 years in the future, for that matter.
If everything else fails, reroute the dataflow through the Universal Translator. And if *that* fails, reverse polarity...
I suppose the Lantree could have suffered internal damage that necessitated giving her more attention than was usually due for ships of her age. Instead of replicating old-style spares (another thing where compatibility no longer matters in the 24th century!), Starfleet just wired in some spare LCARS-style panels.
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