According to an early review of the TNG s4 DVD set from the UK, there is confirmation that in the 13 minute featurette entitled "New Life and New Civilizations" there is a considerable bit of attention lavished on the making of the Wolf 359 graveyard scene.
Grabs. Here. Soon. Please.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I can only scarcely imagine the image you sought to create here, Tom, and it frightens me almost as much as the prospect here presented does the opposite. Like, gladmaking, or something.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Ew.
Yay.
In that order.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Oh, you know you wanted the opportunity to type out the name of the muscle again, Tim.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Pubococcygeal"?
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
The Day of Reckoning has arrived! We are the Chosen Ones!
Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
A picture of the Firebrand. That's all I ask.
BTW, when is S4 supposed to be coming out?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Next week, I believe. September 3rd.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Because further clarification is always a good thing:
quote: Next we visit a post production facility where all the visual and sonic information is put together for each episode. We see some nice stills of the many models that were built (and later blown up). It's interesting to learn about the devastated ships that were seen in Best of Both Worlds Part II as most of them were recycled models pulled from past TV shows and features. This featurette ends with a really cool, in-depth look at how the Borg ship was built and ultimately exploded.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Pictures!
You know, I never gave much thought to the fact that the cube was blown up at the end. I figured, you know, fancy technical wizardry and all that.
So how many Borg cubes were constructed? There was the one built for "Q Who", with Real Battle DamageTM. I had assumed that this was the same one from "The Best of Both Worlds", but was it? And then the cube in "Emissary".
And, then, of course, the redesigned version in First Contact, but I'm just thinking of the one in the show(s).
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I never noticed much difference between the Q Who and BOBW cubes. Of course, if the first was built with battle damamge, it would be pretty easy to hide it for BOBW by just, y'know, showing the other side of the cube.
The only real difference I noticed between the two ships is that the Q Who one travelled at warp with one side facing forwards, whereas the BOBW version travelled with an edge facing forwards. That is interesting.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I do have to point out here that I am unaware of any "recycled models pulled from past TV shows and features." Besides the five Miarecki ships and two Jein ships, the only other models that we know of that might have been used were the two McQuarrie Enterprises and the three Bill George Excelsior study models. I'm guessing that the latter ships are what this quote is referring to, but none of them were ever actually used before until BoBW. If they mean that they got ahold of, say, one of the original starfighters from the old Buck Rogers series or something similar, that might be interesting.
Of course, they could just be referring to the blown-up STIII Enterprise too. If that's the only model they'll have pics of, I'll be mightily pissed.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I've always been under the impression that the cube in "Q Who", "BoBW", and "Emissary" was the one same model. My guess is that the one blown up in "BoBW" was a miniature of the miniature or something.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
From what I remember of the explosion in BoBW, the Cube model looked to be made of some thinner, more felixible material. My guess is that it was a miniature. I also seem to recall seeing pictures of this model somewhere without the battle damage. It just doesn't seem reasonable that they would've blown up their only model of the Borg ship when they could be pretty sure that they were going to be using the Borg again.
Posted by Magnus de Pym (Member # 239) on :
"My guess is that it was a miniature."
As opposed to the life-size model kept in Soundstage 47, I suppose.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
As opposed to the full sized filming model they made for most of the footage, smart ass.
Posted by Magnus de Pym (Member # 239) on :
Not "smart," just an ass.
Posted by Eric Cartman (Member # 256) on :
And hairy.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
ITS TRUE! (the ass thing anyway. No idea if he's hairy).
a Borg cube would take up much of the city. hmm. when it left it would be as it a huge scoop were taken out of the planet. Then there would be no fall previews, so sweeps shows, no new sequels, no celebrity murders...
Im going to make an interplexing array and invite them to LA.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: As opposed to the full sized filming model they made for most of the footage, smart ass.
Which, er, would still be a "miniture".
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
And that is miniature! Sometimes I like to be a smart-ass too...
(No, not really, I was just being sarcastic - so forget the aforementioned remark) Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
This might seem like jumping the gun a bit, but has anyone gotten the DVD's yet?
Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
BestBuy.com shipped mine Friday... as soon as I get them I'll check out the bonus stuff and cap anything new. But that might not be until the end of the week. I'm sure someone will get them tonight, though. Hopefully. Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I am getting mine today as I write this. So I'll let you guys know what I see.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Yet again, the gay guy beats us all. No pun intended.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or included.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
I believe I see a pun in there. Perhaps double entendre would be a more accurate term.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
So, what's taking so long? Where's Mike - sleeping? How can you sleep when you know there's "new life and civilizations" under your bed (hairy or otherwise)?
C'mon, us awake folks want to hear from ya!
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
I'm heading home from work now... pray for me that the DVDs have arrived. Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
Nothing yet. There's always tomorrow...
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Ok, sorry for the delay but I was kinda busy for a day. When I picked up my Season 4 copy, it came with an extra disk that shows Greg Jein and the models he helped build during that season... minus the Wolf 359 ships. A funny thing is that there is a miniature shuttlebay set right behind him as he shows off the cast of the Vorch'a Class. The regular disks did show the ships in the battle during construction. Take the Niagra Class... a new pic shows a guy with the ship sideways gluing something. Also, there is a pic of the upsidedown Firebrand next to the Niagra after the damage was applied and it clearly shows that the saucers from both due come from Galaxy Class parts. The interview of Mike Okuda from 1991 shows the New Orleans Class Kyushu hanging at the ceiling, the intact Nebula Class USS Melbourne from Future Imperfect next to Okuda, and that's about it. The audio said that the ships were either made from kitbash models, filming models from the movies hence the Enterprise from ST:3, and the Bill George study models. And Okuda says that Patrick did go to the post production area and asked what Mike was doing with a ship... hence the story about Patrick making Xerox copies during BoBW true. And the Borg ship that blew up was only 2 ft. squares made of guess what... a wooden box with the frames that the kit models came in. That's why it blew up so nicely...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Would still like to see the pics...
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'd be happy with just a few descriptions.
The upside-down Firebrand should nicely expose her throat to us. How many window rows are there? The FF number & size of windows, suggesting a small, Saladin-like ship? Or some other number or size, better matching the FF saucer depiction?
Do we see the doohickey at the bottom of the nacelle? What is it?
Any windows on the saucer underside for determining the scale?
Is the FF phaser placement correct?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:The regular disks did show the ships in the battle during construction.
I take it you mean only the Jein models, not the Miarecki models.
quote:Also, there is a pic of the upsidedown Firebrand next to the Niagra after the damage was applied and it clearly shows that the saucers from both due come from Galaxy Class parts.
Are you sure it's upside down, because maybe that's the way it was supposed to be...Was the Princeton upside down as well? Could you see a bridge or registry?
quote:The audio said that the ships were either made from kitbash models, filming models from the movies hence the Enterprise from ST:3, and the Bill George study models.
Yes, I figured that that's what they meant by the "recycled from old TV shows & features" line. Too bad; I was looking forward to a pic of yet another Excelsior study model. Oh well, at least I got my wish with a pic of the Firebrand. So we now have photos of all the Wolf 359 kitbashes!
Posted by Akira62497 (Member # 850) on :
nope we are still missing Rigel Apollo classes
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
There was never any model built for the Rigel class, at least for BoBW. The erroneous former fan description of the Rigel was actually of the Niagara. The name "Tolstoy" was just a post-production name change for the Chekov, so no quick Tolstoy model would have been built either, as photography had already wrapped.
However, Robert Legato MIGHT have either built a Tolstoy model, or written the name on a piece of wreckage, as he also might have built an Apollo class Gage model, as he hints at in the DS9 Companion, for "Emissary". Unfortunately, all of my efforts to contact either him or the people that might have worked with him (i.e. Gary Hutzel)have been in vain. The only two people who ever answered me about this was Rick Sternbach & Michael Okuda. RS basically had nothing to tell me, and all Okuda said was that he never labeled a model with the name "Gage." Of course, Legato might have been working independently of Okuda (like Jein did for BoBW), so it's still a possibility. However, until we hear it from the horse's mouth, we don't even know if those ships even existed in model form.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, no model exists for the Rigel class. And if one existed for the Apollo class, it would be from the originally planned, but later scrapped Wolf 359 sequence "Emissary" (DS9)
Damn, beaten by Dukhat!
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Responding to my own post:Are you sure it's upside down, because maybe that's the way it was supposed to be.
Wait, scratch that. The screencap clearly shows that the bridge & shuttlebay are on top of the saucer, while the nacelle is below. My bad.
Posted by Felix the Kzin (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Unfortunately, all of my efforts to contact either him or the people that might have worked with him (i.e. Gary Hutzel)have been in vain. The only two people who ever answered me about this was Rick Sternbach & Michael Okuda.
Our fellow poster Cpt. Kyle Amasov has been in communication with Hutzel, if I'm not mistaken. That was how he found out that the mystery galaxy from the Ds9 Calender was the U.S.S. Ronald D. Moore.
Posted by USSMillennium74754 (Member # 822) on :
Hmm... looks like they may have reused the Niagara image from the S3 set. I'm guessing the "extra disk" is the one that was supposed to come with the Best Buy and Suncoast(?) editions, right?
Now I really want to see these. Those DVDs better come in by tomorrow...
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Yup, I bought Season 3 and 4 at Suncoast for $103 with tax. I do say, it is interesting to notice that Shelby refers to Barcley in BoBW and then see the Kyushu twirling around up the post production celing during Mike Okuda's interview back in 1991.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Huh?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Our fellow poster Cpt. Kyle Amasov has been in communication with Hutzel, if I'm not mistaken. That was how he found out that the mystery galaxy from the Ds9 Calender was the U.S.S. Ronald D. Moore.
Actually, it was Kyle who gave me Hutzel's email address not too long ago. Either way, I sent him basically the same email I sent Legato, with exactly the same reply, i.e. nothing. It's a shame too, because if he would have replied, I wanted to then ask him about the Olympia wreckage, since DD told me that he was responsible for that.
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