And check out www.chip.de for 110 pictures more. Thank god I visit that page regularely.
From the astrometry scene, shortly before they enter the rift (if you can trust the leaked script). Do you think the first one, USS Intrepid (NCC-74600, Sternbach's christmas gift), is Janeway's command ship?
Anyone figured out yet the full names and registries?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
And we thought Admiral Janeway was the only non-TNG cameo in Trek X...
USS Intrepid NCC-74600 USS Valiant NCC-75410 (?) USS Galaxy NCC-70637 (Survived the war! Yes!) USS Aries NCC-45167 USS ???? NCC-72515 (?) USS Hood NCC-42296 (Also Survived! Yes!) USS ?????? NCC-64878 (?)
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The last one could be "Lakota".. how does that jive with the registry?
The fifth one has 4 letters: --T-... I can't make out any of the other letters.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Doesn't look like 'Lakota' to me. . . and the Lakota's registry is 42768.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
is it just me, or do the Romulan uniforms in that slide show look like the Tal Shiar uniforms from DS9? definite improvement over the TNG Rommie uniforms, regardless.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
the last one starts with an "a". USS Adonis, maybe? Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
actually, it does look like adonis. the second and third letters looks like a capital "D" and "O". the fourth letter is indistinct, but looks similar to the "N" in Intrepid, and the last two letters could be an "I" and "S". heh, i was just joking the first time.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
This Aries has been mentioned before, another TNG ship. . . Obviously there's a new Valiant out there. . . (DS9 one was 74210) The two unknown names appear to have registries 72515 as Mark said (that 2 looks like a 3 to me though), in which case it's new, and 6xx7x, which doesn't correspond with anything on my shiplist.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
OK, now I must be going mad, because after reading Edipis' suggestion, I'm now seeing that last ship as 'Archer.' Oh, no!
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i can definitely see Archer. it is blurry enough that you will see any word with suffiecient letters starting with an "A" that you have in your head .
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
Actually, i think it very well could be Archer. the fifth letter looks more like a capital "E" than an "I".
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Did you notice? Star Fleet. Star Fleet!
Battle Group Omega. A possible Janeway-joke?
USS Intrepid NCC-74600 USS Valiant (the cadet ship was 74210, right?) NCC-75410 USS Galaxy NCC-70637 USS Gxxxx - pretty sure it is NCC-43167 USS Nova? (at least it is xOVA) NCC-72515 (?) USS Hood NCC-42296 (four letters, and the registry is 42xxx, for sure) NCC-44278? xx270? And does anyone else think it's Archer?!? (AxCxER)
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
why are they using TOS Nomenclature? shouldn't it be "Starfleet" one word? is that why you are smiling, Amasov?
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
hmm.. thats not the usual font.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i hope that the USS Archer is Akira class.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by EdipisReks: why are they using TOS Nomenclature? shouldn't it be "Starfleet" one word? is that why you are smiling, Amasov?
Yes, it is.
BTW, they are also online on different other sites, www.treknews.de for example, but some of them are new (they have more). I checked for clearer pictures, but obviously there are none. I guess they are from some video or a leaked version of the final movie. Maybe we'll find out later.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'm thinking that the third letter of the last ship name is definitely a C. it seems pretty clear. I can't make out any of the other letters though.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
The third from the last looks like "Nova" to me...if it's registry is NCC-72315 (that's what I see), then it would fit well, since that rego comes before the Equinox & Rhode Island.
Boy, they made a new Valiant really quick, didn't they?
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
any chance thats a placeholder graphic? for long shots, while other shots will have a matted in animated graphic? kind of like in stellar cartography, there was a static background for most of the scene, but they switched it for a bluescreen for the animated sequence.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Naw, it looks like a rear-projection screen thing that seems to have taken over from inserted graphics these days.
Waitaminit - Intrepid, Galaxy, and possibly Nova? Is this some sort of Class reunion?
Mark
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Hmm...maybe the Valiant and the "Archer" are class ships too...
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
Valiant-class?! hmmm..
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I'm not sure I buy the first unknown ship as 'Nova,' but then again, the blobs which would have to be an 'N' and a 'V' look just like the N's and V's in Intrepid and >i?Valiant. . .
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
*looks for voyager in list* spots none
*phew* thank god!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Is this phaser smaller than usual? Or am I getting too used to the phase pistols?
I like those Senate pictures. It really does look like a typical Roman Senate from an old movie. I assume no prominent Romulans from DS9 will make a cameo in this movie? No Neral or Koval?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
It looks like the Enterprise finally got a Sickbay set that matches the style of the other sets. Looks kinda spartan, but I think anything is an improvement over the Voyager Sickbay set.
I like the new Romulan uniforms. They don't remind me of my high school marching band uniform like the older ones do.
Posted by QuinnTV (Member # 859) on :
Before I read down on this thread, I thought that last one was "Archer".....sweet. Glad, I wasn't just seeing things.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I like the new sets, and mods to the old ones. The new sickbay looks to be a two-wall set, but is more like the TNG set than the integrated walls and beds on the VOY set. The conference lounge has not only a new large computer display thingy, the golden models of Enterprises past have been moved to both sides. One wonders which models are where, and why they were divided that way.
The bridge demonstrates more handrails in other places, plus the slightly larger tactical consoles. The ready room (unless it's Picard's quarters) are different as well, and all of them show a darker colour palette than was seen last time. I like.
Finally, the shots of the bridge set made over as a Romulan bridge look better in their anticipated closeup shots and different lighting. The set looks less like a Sovereign bridge now.
Mark
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Also, it looks like they spelled "Aries" wrong. To me, it looks like AIRES.
Too bad we only (TMK) see these ships as names & numbers. We could have finally seen a Renaissance class ship!
Also, does this display look like the top view of the Scimitar?:
And more importantly, who are all the people Riker and Worf are talking to? Or in this movie do they actually acknowledge that there are other people on the ship besides the main charcaters? Perhaps I'm still reeling from the writing on Voyager...
Mark
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i agree. that looks like the top view of the Scimitar.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Mark, Picture #50 and Picture #51 seem to show a major rework of the ready room set. However, Picture #81 shows what seems to be an unaltered Ready Room set. Unless I'm really not seeing that these are all of the same room, there's an office set elsewhere on the ship for Picard. It might be his quarters, but that'd mean his quarters were reworked as well since I don't remember the set being so dark and maroon from Insurrection.
Also, Picture #47 gets my vote for questionable interior decorating. A framed picture of the Federation logo in Stellar Cartography (I'm not sure of the location, but I'm guessing here by the large table that's displaying a space map).
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Interesting. It seems that the Romulans bought the cloths for the new uniforms from the Ferengi.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Indeed, it seems that the former set is Picard's new quarters. In "Insurrection", the quarters, the library, Sickbay and Riker's love tub were swiped from Voyager sets. Looks like they've been appropriately replaced for this film, and I certainly don't mind. The color palette is admitedly off though, and a little out of sync with the hallway and bridge sets. Ah well, at least they're not hotel-like as on the E-D, or laboratory/office-like as on Voyager.
Mark
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I don't think it's Aries. I really doubt they'd miss a misspelling of 'AIRES', especially this far into the film. I'm also thinking that the USS Intrepid isn't NCC-74600. The last two digits could be other numbers.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
But the Aries' registry number is shown next to the name (or at least it looks very similar). And since Sternbach worked on this movie, and the 74600 registry is attributed to him, and it looks like 74600, then it most likely is. Or at least it is until I see the movie.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
The Intrepid Reg looks more like NCC-74338 to me.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I asked Sternbach a few days ago about this shiplist and he didn't know anything. He wouldn't lie, would he?
Posted by Spekkio (Member # 729) on :
"*looks for voyager in list*"
Well of course not. Having Voyger would make any battle too easy.
Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: The Intrepid Reg looks more like NCC-74338 to me.
Hmm, looks like 74600 to me, but then I think it's probably impossible to be sure.
Hey, we'll find out in a few months either way Posted by capt ussintrepid (Member # 807) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: [QB] Is this phaser smaller than usual? Or am I getting too used to the phase pistols?
[QB]
Looks a lot smaller IMHO.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Heh - it's almost as small, cross-sectionally, as the old Type-I crickets! Ain't that ironic!
Mark
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Like rain on your wedding day. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Is it just me, or does this Romulan bridge look like the set of the Enterprise-E bridge, only redressed?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We've already been through that. The nemesis official site has a 360-degree virtual set pic, and it's quite conclusively the E-E bridge set, with most of the featrues squished into the aft half. This leads us to believe that it's going to be only a one-wall set with mostly closeup shots.
Mark
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
Getting back to the shiplist... perhaps the second to last ship is the Bova? It would make sense. The last one has to be Archer.
And I really, really hope we get to see the Galaxy somehow, if the Titan isn't a Galaxy class ship itself. Wishful thinking... Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
well, with the Galaxy being listed there, hopefully we'll see it. the fourth ship (the possible Aries/Aires) could be in the Ambassador class range. that is really the class i want to see on the big screen. too bad they chose not to use it for Generations.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Actually, Bova occurred to me as well.
The new Nemesis phaser has been discused already, in theory it shouldn't be any narrower in diameter than the Voyager-era Type-II, it just looks smaller because the emitter cone is more elongated. In theory. . .
Even stranger, however, is the redress of the FC phaser rifle. They're removed the old triangular light.sight and replaced it with a smaller array with forward tubelike sight and, er, horns.
those aren't horns. that is a Bushnell HOLOsight. they cost a couple hundred bucks. that's actually an older version. the current version looks a bit different. Paramount probably got a good deal on the obsolete version. Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
>Message Deleted.
[ October 15, 2002, 19:30: Message edited by: newark ]
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
it could have been named after Jose Archer, the eminent 23rd century Veterinarian. Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I'm not sure which I hate more, Colin - your obsessive stating of the obvious, or the tedious way in which you do so. I think we all know how significant a USS Archer will be.
Thanks for the info, Edy. No pictures at all of the old version, just so I can be absolutely sure you're not having us on? 8)
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i was unable to find a picture online of the first version. go check out any issue of Combat Handguns or Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement from 1997 or so, and you'll see plenty of ads. oh, wait. England. i forgot.
[edit: due to 3 seconds of searching by me on google with both the keywords "holosight" and "1997", this post is obsolete. please look at the next post.)
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
here, i found a page with the original version. happy?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Compare:
(this image was meant to be included in my earlier post, but my links got mixed up, before Tim points out I linked to one image twice)
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i guess someone in the prop department found themselves a nice can of spraypaint.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i'm glad they finally put a sight on a phaser. point shooting is remarkably unreliable past 15 feet or so. ask Chuck Taylor, if you don't believe me. Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
probably the USS Archer was named for its predecessor, the USS Archer NCC-1069, an Arbiter-subclass Akyazi-class perimeter action-ship.
oooh dey're all sayin' 'dat capped in mic, he's scwewy!'
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
I love how Colin just goes and randomly deletes his posts. Leave 'em up, man!
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
VP hurt his feelings.
yes, a USS Archer would mean somebody remembered the NX-01. or it would mean somebody remembers somebody named Archer. Doesnt a present day navy have an Archer-class already?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Of course, we've already seen the Galaxy.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Here's how I see the list...
USS INTREPID NCC-74608 USS VALIANT NCC-75418 USS GALAXY NCC-70637 USS AIRES NCC-45167 USS NOVA NCC-73515 (2nd digit is most definatly a 3) USS HOOD NCC-42296 USS ARCHER NCC-44278
I'm not convinced the Nova is indeed the Nova, since not only is the registry a fuck up, but I believe the 2nd letter is not an O. It may be a C?
You guys might want to look at the bigger picture, it might help you read it better
[ October 16, 2002, 03:10: Message edited by: The359 ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
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Posted by Nemesis (Member # 255) on :
Head over to http://www.treknews.de Left hand of the page under the topic Star Trek News click on 115 NEUE Bilder aus Nemesis ...
There you go...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
USS INTREPID NCC-74600 USS VALIANT NCC-75418 USS GALAXY NCC-70637 USS AIRES NCC-45167 (A typo ) USS NOVA NCC-73?515 (second 3 could be an 8, but that wouldn't fit the Equinox and Rhode Island.. OTOH, the N could be a B or even a Q) USS HOOD NCC-42296 USS ARCHER NCC-44276 (the last digit looks a lot like the last digit from the HOOD)
The weirdest thing, though, is the anachronistic "STAR FLEET". The last time we saw it, IIRC, was here (for historic reasons, since the building itself has STARFLEET). However, in Enterprise, we see this
OOPS.. it seems like we have an "it changed, then changed back again, then changed back AGAIN" situation.
Alternatively, it could be that Star?Fleet itself doesn't know how to spell it's name .
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe there is Starfleet and Star Fleet. One the Earth's Star Fleet and the other the Federation Starfleet?
What I find a bit wierd is seeing Archer talking to Picard and Data.
Wierd - just cause and wierd cause look at Data's get-up... it looks like that Valure SP? track-suit that George Costanza wore in that Seinfeld episode where Jerry has his house sprayed for Fleas.
Andrew
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The Nova-thing apparently has a background star marring the first letter, making interpretation all the more fun. May I suggest USS Goya?
The Remans are even more different from Romulans than I originally thought. Too bad. Their guns look really weird, with Klingon-style exposed barrels but Romulan-style oversized trigger guards. The rifle is especially awkward, compared with Romulan versions (both the "Die is Cast" and "Unification" ones). It reminds me of the long, clumsy Stormtrooper rifle from AotC...
New hairdo for Troi. Still no new do for Riker. Or Picard. Yawn.
I trust we won't see the fwd cabin of the Argo?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Timo, new hairdo for Picard? LOL, that's a classic!
Andrew, that won't be Archer talking to Picard. That's Bakula talking to Stewart, behind the scenes I suppose. Perhaps Scott Bakula is like us: he can't wait to see Nemesis for real... Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
As I look at the bigger picture, I'm not all sure about "Aires". In fact, the "R" looks alot like the "S" at the end, which would make it "Aises". But I'm also not sure that it's an A at the beginning.
After a little photoshop playing, I get various results that now leave me wondering whether it's an "R" an "S" or an "N"
Stupid...low res...pictures... Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Bova, Nova, Goya, oh my! But it's definitely Archer. Yay me, I thought of it first. 8)
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Some of these numbers and nearly that entire second to last ship are impossible to make out.
I made this pic about an hour ago and said to myself! I GOTTA POST THIS ON FLARE. I come here and BOOM a 4 page thread already on it. Meh, at least this one is higher res.
[ October 16, 2002, 23:51: Message edited by: Proteus ]
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Oh, about Star Fleet vs Starfleet. I guess Star Fleet is more buisness/professional (physical signs, presentations) and Starfleet is more of a logo type.
Posted by iam2xtreme (Member # 836) on :
I agree with timo's suggestion actually- that Nova looks more like Goya to me. The first letter letter looks not much like a N and the third letter looks too thin at the base and bottom third to be a V.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Although I can see the ships' names better, and that the Archer's first digit is definitely a 4, everything else is hardly conclusive. Just look at every time an "NCC" is listed. Each of the first "N's" look different every time. Here' my take:
Intrepid NCC-74600 Valiant NCC-75410 Galaxy NCC-70637 Aires NCC-45167 (presumably a typo for Aries) Nova NCC-73515 (so much for chronological registries...) Hood NCC-42296 Archer NCC-44270
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I have a suggestion. Can we e-mail Mr. Okuda for verification of the spellings and the registries of these individual ships?
A question, I am no expert at art or art history. I have heard Goya's name associated with the art world. Was he a painter of some repute?
(I removed my earlier post for I felt Vogon Poet was correct in his opinion on that particular posting. It was very banal.)
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:I have a suggestion. Can we e-mail Mr. Okuda for verification of the spellings and the registries of these individual ships?
Or we could just wait a few months for the freakin' movie to come out to see the names better. Oh wait, I forgot that some people here can't even wait a few days for things, never mind a few months.
Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
Yes, "they" will have downloaded the movie as an 640x480 .avi-file and watched it on the computer a good two months before the premiere.
With editor's millisecond-counter in the bottom-right corner.
And italian dubbing.
And without any music or sound effects, because that wasn't finished at the time of teh download, only them high-pitched italian voices.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I'm just doing a search for "Aires" on the offchance it's used as a word by itself, after all Buenos Aires presumably means something (Babelfish doesn't help, it just says it means Buenos Aires).
There's plenty more in that vein. It seems aires are the plural of air, as in a tune; "Air on a G String," that sort of thing. Can you have a ship called USS Tunes? 8)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Buenos Aires is Spanish for "good airs." I'll assume that the Argentine city doesn't have an smog problem like "Mals Aires" Houston. I can't find anything at the moment that could have starship named after him/her/it. Is anyone on the production staff named "Aires?"
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
Air on a G String?
oh boy .. i should probably delete whatever message im about to put here.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Is anyone on the production staff named "Aires?"
Why is everyone looking into this so much? It's quite obviously a typo.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The Aries is 45167, and I'm almost certainly sure that's also the registry of the "Aires". Guess we have another one then. Still wondering what the Goya/Nova/Bova/whatever really is...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Oh, sure, we know it's the Aries, the registry appears to match. But whatcha gonna do if that Okudagram is in the final cut, huh? Assume some Federation computer can't spell? And what's the harm in a little intellectual exercise, in a Forum that seems to have threads about the most irrelevant and minor details imaginable?
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I think Dukhat got some sand in his vagina... Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
mangina. Dukhat's a man, so it's a mangina.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I figured most people here wouldn't understand the mangina joke...
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
how do you get Hood from that?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Proteus: how do you get Hood from that?
From a Mangina!?! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: Timo, new hairdo for Picard? LOL, that's a classic!
Andrew, that won't be Archer talking to Picard. That's Bakula talking to Stewart, behind the scenes I suppose. Perhaps Scott Bakula is like us: he can't wait to see Nemesis for real...
Austin... I know that. Being just a snap-shot - it looks like Archer talking to a Picard and Data! Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
About the Nova not having a chonological registry: Why in the hell would anyone put a Nova class in a 'battle group'? A scientific vessel with a max of warp 8...
I say the original Nova class went kaboom and this a new USS Nova.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Andrew, I knew that you knew... I just like pointing out the obvious. Couldn't resist.
And the Bova/Goya/Nova is actually the U.S.S. Java Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Ah no, come to think of it, it's definitely U.S.S. Riva. Makes sense, doesn't it? Naming a battleship after a famous mediator... Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:how do you get Hood from that?
Well, there's this structure, you see, at the top of the vagina, commonly known as the clitoral hood. And apparently I have sand in mine.
Oh, wait, you meant the ship...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
First mention of the clitoris in this Forum ever?
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
"To boldly go..."
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
I think we all know where the Archer comes from... Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
Thank you for the new sig, Dukhat... Posted by Face (Member # 418) on :
Does anyone know what the year or stardate is for Star Trek: Nemesis?
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
sure lots of people know. the writers, the editors, the advisors, the actors, the reviewers, etc etc.
no one here tho i dont think.
a few copies of the script ive seen had several variations of a 5xxxx stardate that is many years off of the current DS9/VGR incarnations, i even saw one with a 4xxxx date. presumably not the right date.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
2378 or 2379? Stardates 55xxx or 56xxx?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Logically, Nemesis would take place in 2379. 1996=2373, so 2002=2379. Mind you that would mean that VGR got back to the AQ in 2378, which may or may not be right... Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I just went to the link above to Masao's page and I saw on there the CGI reproductions of his ship designs... I hadn't noticed these before. THEY ARE AMAZING! This is stuff that could have been captured from a TV show! It's really fantastic. Very realistic! The lighting is really well done.
Andrew
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'll just have to ditto the above, although Masao and friends' work deserves even higher praise. I just can't come up with any just now.
Personally, I'm hoping for a relatively late stardate for "Nemesis", perhaps in the 2380s, so that none of the loose ends of DS9 or VOY need be addressed. The more time there's for Starfleet to forget about the "Endgame" Bat-armor, to promote Janeway a second time, and to get Worf out of his silly diplomatic job and back to shooting up things, the better.
Alternately, a stardate just after "Endgame" would explain why the Bat-armor isn't "yet" applied on the E-E, shorten the re-courtship of Riker and Troi, and let the political atmosphere and UFP belief in Romulan goodwill remain where they were at the end of the Dominion war.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
While I certainly hope that they take into consideration the climate at the end of DS9 and Voyager, I'm hoping we'll get some connection to the Dominion War. Given that the Romulans played so large a role at the end, I'm hoping there will be something that takes that into account when making them bad guys again.
Not that they were ever good guys, I suppose...
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Browsing through the pictures, I think the one with Data standing in front of a display of two planets correlates with the script bit where he incorrectly says "Like Mercury, one side always faces the sun". Regardless of whether that dialogue will be corrected or not, the display seems to show Romulus and Remus on separate orbits around the star, albeit very close to each other.
So apparently Romulus and Remus don't co-orbit after all. And they won't be close to each other all the time, but rather once per decade or so. A setup like this would nicely explain the discrepancy between a "moonless" Vulcan and the ST:TMP multi-moon view.
And it's now rather unlikely the Remans would be modified Romulans. The differences are simply too extreme. Probably the Romulans just settled on the most Vulcan-like "double planet" they could find, and had to accept the presence of native Remans on the other half of the pair.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
well theres no obvious need for Janeway to be promoted twice.. i thought that we'd established in the post season 3 rank insignia, there probably isnt a one-pip flag officer (commodore or lower RADM) it just makes a lot more sense that way. (and leaves the one pip insignia open to maybe, administrative positions only, non-command officers like Commodore Stocker)
i believe Endgame ended up falling on a date near the end of 2377. Id think mid-to late 2378 (or beyond) is a reasonable timeframe for Nemesis.
and i still think that, even if there was an original Reman species, they display enough Romulanistic characteristics to show some interbreeding. Remember, we are talking 5000 years here, plenty of time for the Remans to start showing Romulan appearances (pointed ears) and Romulans to begin to show Reman traits (the forehead v-shape). note that the Romulan's ear points are about halfway inbetween the tapering Vulcan look and the batlike Reman look. possibly Reman interbreeding led to this change, although the cultures obviously havent become completely meshed, basically the trait has been passed through Romulan society in the interim.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Which would neatly explain the lack of the Romulan V-forehead before TNG. On the other hand, did the Romulan Ambassador in ST:VI have the TNG style makeup or not?
Either way, intermarring between the Reman heritage may be stronger in some Romulans than in others, depending on their family history.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
For those who haven't read the script, we're set fourteen years after Riker became Picard's XO. So unless the date was changed onscreen, we're in late 2378 or early 2379, no more than a few months after "Endgame" (set some time after the 315th anniversary of Cochrane's flight, or April 5, 2378).
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
MinutiaeMan came up with the name Archer soon after the name of the captain was announced for Enterprise. Since they honored him with a ship class, I guess this means he'll be killed in the next few years (which won't be soon enough for me). MM also came up with the concept for the ship; I just drew it. The fine renders were done by Thomas Pemberton, who's been rendering my designs for going on 3 years now.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"On the other hand, did the Romulan Ambassador in ST:VI have the TNG style makeup or not?"
Not.
"Since they honored him with a ship class, I guess this means he'll be killed in the next few years (which won't be soon enough for me)."
It's a ship. No-one said it was a class. And they named a ship after Sarek, too, but he wasn't killed. He died of Bendii Syndrome at the age of 202. For all we know, Archer could live to 202, also.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I think Masao was talking about *his* Archer-class.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, then, why say "I guess"? Shouldn't he know the back-story to his own ship design?
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
A few minutes ago, I e-mailed Mr. Okuda about the list for Starfleet Battle Group Omega. I asked for verification of our list of names and registries. If he responds, I will post it on this board.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I hope you people aren't flooding him with emails...
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
Yes, I agree. I took the risk with the thought in mind that I was the only one to e-mail him on this okudagram.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm of the opinion that we can bare to wait until December beofr teh TRUE scrutiny begins. I'm certain that Okuda knows the answer, but that he didn't have anything to do with taht particular graphic sequence. He would certainly not have labelled the force as "Star Fleet"!
Mark
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
quote: Thanks very much for your note. I'm sorry, but since the film has not yet been released, I'm not permitted to release any information, although I will note that there are some mistakes in that graphic (such as spelling "Starfleet" as two words). I hope you understand that Paramount can be rather picky about such things.
-Mike
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Paramount can be picky about what? Misspellings or leaked information. Considering the script was on the net like 5 months ago...
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Well, if there are two typos on there, one of them being "Star Fleet", I'd imagine the misspelling of "Aries" is the other. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
From that e-mail it seams as though Okuda wasn't responsible for that graphic, as has been previously proposed.
Indeed, when you look at it you can see that it bear none of the Okuda hallmarks. The fonts are incorrect, the graphics look more generic sci-fi than the standard LCARS and "Battle Group Omega" struck me are rather fanboyish. Even the colours are wrong.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:A few minutes ago, I e-mailed Mr. Okuda about the list for Starfleet Battle Group Omega.
See, I knew you wouldn't be able to wait. I should have made a bet to see how long it would take until someone pestered Okuda.
Posted by Felix the Kzin (Member # 646) on :
Do you know what the word pester implies? A minor annoyance. It's not like it's some huge inconvenience to say "sorry, I can't really say." No one's asking him to write a book or something.
I agree that if I were any of these folks "on the inside" that I wouldn't like to be flooded with mail, but Okuda and others have repeatedly stated that they don't mind answering questions or receiving letters from fans. So there's no reason not to tap them as a resource when questions arise.
And about this "oh, you guys are so impatient" thing, I don't know why it's such a bug up your ass, Dukkie. It's true, some of us are a bit impatient. But what's wrong with that? Some of us just get excited when it comes to new ship info. That's how we get our jollies from time to time. What's it to you?
Besides, it's not like the movie's coming out next week or something. It won't be seen for a couple of months. And anyway, how do we even know that the display will be any clearer on a theatre screen? We'll end up asking anyways, so what difference does it make whether we do it sooner or later? (Of course, we know now that the difference is whether someone is at liberty to talk about it at present, but still...)
You don't have to be so snappy. (No offense, sorry to rant.) Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Methinks Mark is still pissed off about that Drexler email thing. I still don't get why you have to get that pissy over it, though. What is your problem anyways, Mark?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
MMoM: First you make a personal derogatory remark about something being "up my ass," then you go on to say that you don't mean any offense. Well, which is it?
Topher: No, I'm not pissed off about the Drexler thing. It has nothing to do with that at all, although I did make a sarcastic remark based on that. I simply feel that there's no need to bother people with little things that we'd get the answer to anyway if we just waited a little while. I didn't tell the guy not to email Okuda, did I? I just stated my opinion about being patient. So sue me.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
consider yourself sued. for your defense, i suggest L Crabs, Associated. Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Very funny.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
thank you, mademoiselle.
Posted by Felix the Kzin (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: MMoM: First you make a personal derogatory remark about something being "up my ass," then you go on to say that you don't mean any offense. Well, which is it?
It's the second one. Pardon my use of colorful metaphors. In case you didn't know, the expression "a bug up one's ass" means something that particularly annoys or bothers them.
I really didn't mean any offense, though I still don't think the issue is as troublesome as you make it sound. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Oh boy. Here we go again.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Methinks Mark is still pissed off about that Drexler email thing. I still don't get why you have to get that pissy over it, though. What is your problem anyways, Mark?
What is the Drexler email thing. I thought Flarites had been in good contact with Doug Drexler?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
The Drexler email thing, as best as I know, is that Dukhat got some pictures of starships from Drexler over email. Which starships? I can't remember, but he got the pictures. Dukhat circulated them around to some of the people here but refused to post them publicly until he had permission from Drexler to do so. Some people got very impatient, some people got very rude, and some people got their feelings hurt one way or another.
Someone who knows the situation better can correct any errors that I made.
And, let's please drop this and get back to the topic of brainstorming the new starship list and what drunken intern messed up on "Aires."
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i think it was second year intern George Pattonsteinhammerkwai.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Nonsense, it was Tibor. Posted by O Capped In Mic Capped In (Member # 709) on :
back to the topic of Nemesi$, check the peeps in this pic: image
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Looks like someone forgot to tell Whoopi to take her sunglasses off...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
And what I want to know is how in the world they were going to explain Wesley's reappearance in a Starfleet uniform. Doesn't leaving for another plane of existance count as resigning your commission? I'm not saying there wasn't going to be any explanation... I'd just like to know what it was going to be.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
He didn't go off to another plane of reality, he stayed on the Native American planet.
Posted by O Capped In Mic Capped In (Member # 709) on :
well he was staying on the planet so that the Natives could help him explore other planes of reality, and so that he could help protect the natives from the Cardassians.
He resigned from Starfleet after the completion of his junior year at the academy, and already held the ensign rank. I would assume that, at some point during or hivng to do with the Dominion war, the colony was repatriated as a Federation territory, and he was offered his old commission. but in what capacity he serves is somewhat of a mystery.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
From what I can make of the pips, he seems to be Lt JG.
And is it me, or does Worf look different somehow?
Posted by O Capped In Mic Capped In (Member # 709) on :
i think that this was a cast photo, not an official set photo, and as such isnt lit properly for the makeup. notice Data and Worf both look a little.. wierd. i remember reading an article on how the makeup designs on the show require specific lighting.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Also, wasn't Wheaton's part cut out?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Berman recently said that Wil is still in the movie, but his lines will be out. Who knows if he'll be in the background, or will actually retain at least one close up so as to establish he's actually there - I really hope that they at least give him that.
Mark
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:And is it me, or does Worf look different somehow?
Well, he's not wearing his sash ...
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I never realized Brent Spiner had such long arms.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
he's actually mr fantastic.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Shouldn't they all be delivering bags to people's rooms!?!
That back-drop... looks desert-ish. I thought they were getting married in Alaska?
Posted by Yamashiro Den (Member # 510) on :
it's the great Alaskan desert, don't ya know.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Domain of the rarely seen Alaskan giraffe?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
And, of course, Laurence of Alaska.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I think you'll find thats just a badly lit backdrop.
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Also, wasn't Wheaton's part cut out?
His part where he utters his two lines is out, but he will be visible in the movie.
Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
quote:Originally posted by newark:
quote: Thanks very much for your note. I'm sorry, but since the film has not yet been released, I'm not permitted to release any information, although I will note that there are some mistakes in that graphic (such as spelling "Starfleet" as two words). I hope you understand that Paramount can be rather picky about such things.
-Mike
Newark, any chance of an update, now that the movie is out?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
So... have any of my fellow Flare-ites gotten a closer look at The Big List� on the big screen? I must admit that I got caught off-guard by the close-up of the listing and didn't get very much info. (And I've only seen the movie once -- probably won't go back just for the ship listing. But you never know... )
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Looked like the same list to me. . .
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Yeah, I knew it was the same list based on the basic look... but I was wondering if some of the questionable letters or numbers could be confirmed.
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