Cool. I quite like the Oberth/Miranda mix; the sketch of the Excelcior behind the Enterprise looks pretty good too.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
THe Miranda-like ship actually has a name written on it. Something ending in 'ENER' or so it appears. I actually quite like it, except the nacelles. I'd go with the same ones the regular Miranda and Constitution have actually.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Wow... I am SO glad that the Excelsior turned out the way she did.
Mark
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Good post, very interesting stuff. Particularly intrigued by the new above view of the Excelsior models..
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I rather like that Oberth/Miranda, even with those nacelles. It might be worth drawing up some schematics for that design.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Harry, can you do a couple more scans from the issue? Particularly, the really nice publicity still of the Enterpise in front of Spacedock with the Excelsior in pursuit, the new pics of the Spacedock prototype model, and the multiple views of the BoP study model would be very nice...
-MMoM Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
There's something else scanworthy in there as well--the shot of Enterprise & Excelsior that has the cargo container-oid shippy thingy in it--and the whole shot isn't all blued out to fuck.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: There's something else scanworthy in there as well--the shot of Enterprise & Excelsior that has the cargo container-oid shippy thingy in it--and the whole shot isn't all blued out to fuck.
Actually, I believe it's the same pic as in The Art of Star Trek...
...only smaller. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I am glad that they abandoned the flat/four-nacelled Excelsior concept. There is no angle from which this model would look good. The nacelles pylons are quite different than I expected, though.
The Miranda-like ship is definitely great. I wonder when we will see the fully fledged schematics by Rev. I wonder if this ship was indeed inspired by the Miranda, the first version before it was accidentally flipped upside down.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I'm glad this was abandoned too, but this is a different version of the 4-nacelled Excelsior we know. The known one, and this one, are quite different.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The study BOP.
It looks perfect to be a TOS-ified BOP. I.e. like the D7 compared to the K'Tinga - where the TOS ships are all nice and smooth. And the 'pattern' is more orange - closer to the Romulan version.
The white-ish rectangular grills on the underside wings closest to the 'body' look to be what the nacelles are.
Andrew
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: I'm glad this was abandoned too, but this is a different version of the 4-nacelled Excelsior we know. The known one, and this one, are quite different.
Nope.. it's the exact same That top view is from a different study. It had me fooled too.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yes, the side view is of the same familiar 4-naceller we've all known about, and the top view is this model, which is also previously known.
I believe that this is the model used in the Qualor II depot that we thought was the Tyrus particle fountain. Looking at the screencap closer, the underside of the top dome looks way more like the underside of the actual Spacedock than the underside of the particle fountain model. I'm not sure if this is actually the same model as the fountain (i.e. the model was modified into the fountain), or that the fountain was a seperate model based on this study. What do you all think?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The tiny Enterprise has one nacelle because it was only supposed to be looked at from the side, for scale reference.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Dukhat - I believe you are correct. There is the surrounding cylinders which are present in both - but the spacedock study AND the background station at Qualor II don't have the bottom mushroom 'cap' but another group/tapered core.
So where did the particle fountain comefrom? Did they spruce up one of those Spacedock studies?
Well seeing as the second ship I posted is NOT the top ship of the last pic (which I thought it might have been until I saw the extra two nacelles) It can be discarded.
There is no way that this new ship is the same as the quad-naceller that we've known about for a while.
So how many OTHER Excelsior studies are out there!!
And has this second quad-naceller appeared in BOBW and/or Unification?
Andrew
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I don't know...I think it might be just a top view of the two-naceller, and there's some wierd bits on the end of the nacelles that make it look like it has four from the top.
Hopefully we'll find out for sure when January's mag comes out. (That little picture is a preview from the back cover of the current mag, for the next issue's article on designing the Excelsior...)
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah, but look there are two of the grey doo-hickies at the aft end of the nacelles (well four in total).
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Yeah, but those would be two per nacelle...
The top view in the new photo matches the old side view of the 2-naceller in almost every respect: the saucer, the superstructure above the saucer, and the square thing with the round dome atop it are quite identical in detail. It's just the aft end where we got surprises, mainly because it was so darkened-out and obstructed in the older photo.
OTOH, I think we can all also agree that the top view in the new photo cannot be of the same ship as the bottom view in that photo. The squarish thing with a dome is clearly different in the top and bottom ships, for example (and the bottom one matches the known 4-naceller, just like the top one matched the known 2-naceller).
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The Quad-on-the-desk only has ONE grey doohicky per nacelle.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
OK, this is getting needlessly confusing. Let's see if I can clear this up.
1. The picture of the top view and side view of the Excelsior study models ARE NOT THE SAME SHIP. The top view shows the "flat" study model, while the side view shows the quad-naceller that Okuda gave us the pics of years ago.
2. The confusion arises because the top view of the flat study model shows that there are pointed ends on the nacelles similar to the quad-naceller, and that both models look to be the same bluish color. Until this pic came out, we didn't know that the nacelles were like this because we couldn't see them in the Art of Star Trek photo.
3. There are four known Excelsior study models: The "flat" ship, the quad-naceller, the model that looks closer to the actual Excelsior but not quite, and the final model which looks almost exactly like the Excelsior (which we only have a top-view of).
So there.
Posted by Micromaniac (Member # 546) on :
Is there a plan/schematic of the Oberth/Miranda Excelsior? Also for Wolf 359 there used to be a show called SCI Fi Buzz on TV about 10 years ago - there was one episode where the Kyushu model was shown and it was stated that this and other Wolf 359 types were to be on a special home shopping network edition concerning Star Trek around Christmas of that year -never did find if this happened?!!
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