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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Couple of questions I have for my Federation shiplist:

-Can someone please tell me which issue (month & year) of Star Trek: The Magazine had the article that mentioned the class designation "Ju'day-class" for the Maquis raider?

-What are the origins or meanings of the names Kobayashi Maru and Shiku Maru? (Thinking they were Japanese, I put them through Bablefish, but they didn't translate.)

-Are there any name origins/references in particular for such vessel names as Lakul, Nenebek, Norkova, Vico, Woden, Xhosa, and Zola?

Thanks,
-MMoM [Big Grin]

Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :

um, Woden is Odin, the leader of the traditional Norse Gods. Xhosa is a tribe in Africa. don't know about the rest.

Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :

The Nenebek comes from the name of one of the staff, I can't remember how to spell his name. I think that was mentioned in the encyclopedia.

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Maru is Japanese for ship I believe, so most civilian Japanese ships are Something Maru. So Kobayashi Maru and Shika Maru had to be some kind of famous Japanese vessels I believe.

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

359 is dead on.

Mark <--- Nippon no kalchaa no otaku desu

Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Wasn't there an Alan Kobayashi on the production staff for one of the Trek series or during the movies?

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Zola = �mile Zola, or we can probably assume so in term of the Trek universe. Probably one of the first journalists in history to kick ass and take names in teh name of teh democracy!
(Oh, IIRC, Zola's an anime term as well.)

Two seconds of googling has turned up an Italian scientist/philosopher called Vico.

Uh, Mim, you did do some preliminary googling, right? [Roll Eyes]

Alan Kobabayashi's an on-again off-again scenic artist on Trek moveis and series, but only since Generations.

Posted by The Mike from C.A.P.T.A.I.N. (Member # 709) on :

Arnim Zola is much more famous!

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Zola isn't just Cola with more... ZEST!?! ;o)

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

"Kobayashi" is a fairly common family name which means "small woods." Maru means circle, and is traditionally attached to Japanese ship names (non-military). I don't know what "shiku" means. My Japanese wife says it has no meaning, but I'll dig around a bit.

Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Phlox:
The Nenebek comes from the name of one of the staff, I can't remember how to spell his name. I think that was mentioned in the encyclopedia.

I think you mean Larry Nemecek.

Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :

"Maru" is a suffix used exclusively for denoting civilian vessels, similar to "SS", except that it is a single Kanji character that comes after the name, and is intergrated somewhat into name. It's like saying you have to name your ship [whatever]-banana, you can use what you want in for the part in brackets, but you'll always identify the ship as "Enterprise-banana" or "Lexington-banana".

"Maru" does not mean "ship" by itself, it means "round". Only when it is attached to another word does the union of the two word identify a vessel, civilian, of Japanese origin.

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Googling on 'shiku' has several possibilities:

This interpretation seems to be the most abundant, but is Chinese...

And there is a verb 'shiku' that means 'to spread out', or at least according to this and this.

Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by aneurysm:

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Phlox:
The Nenebek comes from the name of one of the staff, I can't remember how to spell his name. I think that was mentioned in the encyclopedia.
I think you mean Larry Nemecek.

That's the one.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Nemecek wasn't on the staff though - he just wrote the Star Trek Companion... and that was AFTER "Final Mission".

Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :

I must've intented it then. Weird. I could have sworn it said that in the encyclopedia. [Confused]

Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

*bump*

Much apologizings for my thread necromancy, but I'm writing an article about the Maquis raider and could use a specific reference to the month/year of the ST:Magazine issue that identified the raider as the Ju'day class. Can anyone tell me which issue it was?

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Whoa! The raider served in Starfleet in 2374? Can you refer to an episode, a frame and a spot to look at?

(Sorry if this wasn't exactly helpful as far as replies go [Razz]

)

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :

Uh... Sacrifice of Angels, for one.

Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Huh? The Ju'day class was never in Sacrifice of Angels. That was the Peregrine class.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Oh no. This is bad. We're like *this* close to starting a 5 page discussion on the Peregrine/Maquis Raider/Ju'Day/Federation Fighter mess.

Don't do it guys...

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

It was the Agust 2001 issue, MinutiaeMan.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"We're like *this* close to starting a 5 page discussion on the Peregrine/Maquis Raider/Ju'Day/Federation Fighter mess."

Well, no matter what you call them, there were still two different ship designs.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

There. Are. THREE. Designs!

Seriously speaking, *was* the Chakotay-style Maquis ship (or the Ro-style Maquis ship) really seen somewhere in Starfleet colors? Or seen at all after "For the Uniform"?

Timo Saloniemi