Recently I've been developing a history (non-cannon of course) of the DY ship series and there is something that I'm not entirely clear on; How did the Botany Bay get so far into deep space in only a few centuries? This problem sort of ties in with a few similar instances of supposedly sub-light Earth craft appearing much further away from home than they should be. (Charybdis, Nomad, Voyager IV, Pioneer 10, S.S. Birdseye) My current thinking is that there is an unstable wormhole drifting around the Sol System, or at the very least one end of a wormhole. This is kind of supported by the line that says that Voyager IV disappeared down a black hole, now since there are no black holes in the neighbourhood is it possible that 20th Century astronomers who were supposedly monitoring the probe observed an anomaly and mistook it for a black hole when in fact it was the opening to a wormhole?
Another clue to this lies with the S.S. Birdseye, a satellite with no apparent engines manages to find itself drifting light years away from Earth. If it were simply knocked out of orbit wouldn't such a satellite simply fall to Earth? I suppose if it was hit with enough force it could be thrown clear of Earth's gravity well but then how could the craft survive the impact or avoid being captured by another planet or moon's gravitational pull? It would seam to be a fluke of the highest order for an unpowered craft to be hit just enough to be thrown clear of Earth and into the series of slingshot orbits that could propel it out of the solar system and into interstellar space. Even if all that did occur then it still could never have made it to the RNZ by the 24th century without assistance.
Again a wormhole swallowing the Birdseye and depositing it near the Romulan border seams to be the most plausible explanation.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe it was a temporal after effect caused by Future Janeway and the return of Voyager in Endgame?
Effects occuring in Space AND Time !?! Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
IMHO, the Botany Bay could have gotten into deep space all on her own. Give her a couple of centuries (270 yrs objective time) and a sublight speed of at least ten percent lightspeed, and she gets far enough from Earth that she could be considered lost.
The Birdseye could also have had significant onboard propulsion, in some sort of a jettisonable stage. Who knows what philosophical reasons drove the project? Perhaps it was essential to get the dead bodies into deep space (and as we know, the vicinity of the Romulan border isn't all THAT deep). Applying pragmatic logic to the Birdseye project won't get us very far (literally!), since there's very little pragmatism in postmortem cryostasis anyway...
Of course, the solar panels on the satellite do suggest an intended mission profile close to some star or another, not a deep space mission.
The propulsion-less Voyager VI and Pioneer XI would be different matters, and should logically have encountered a wormhole, a "what used to be called a black hole" (as Decker puts it), or a "One Small Step" type anomaly. Or perhaps a bunch of alien abducteers. Perhaps these strange phenomena later disappeared because of Vulcan activity in the region: the Vulcans could have dredged the system clear of nav hazards, or scared away the abducting pranksters, while securing their survey operations.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
If you think about it, that transwarp conduit in "Endgame" could explain a lot of things...
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The Borg would have no reason to construct a transwarp conduit near Earth until the 24th century.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
And if they had... I think we'd all be drones by now...
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
That brings up an interesting question about how old are the Borg? I kinda got the impression that they where a fairly recent... race. Given their method of reproducing, you would think that their growth is expodential, which would mean that they where really just getting started when Picard encounters them. Maybe Q wasn't showing Humanity what 'dangers' where out there, when he tossed the Enterpise into their space, maybe he was getting us ready to stop the borg, without making waves.
On the other hand, in the second season of TNG, Picard met the romulans over the swiped outposts, which would imply a possible Borg transwarp conduit near where the cry-sat was found. They didn't develope their technology, they stole it from whoever already made the transwarp conduits, which might have been around for a long time.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
The Aries was 'abducted' by a naturally-ocurring subspace phenomena while in the orbit of Mars. I suppose a similar phenomena could have picked up the Botany Bay and deposited it far in space.
However, surely Spock and Kirk would have commented on thisMore likely is the 10%C theory - in 270 years, the vessel would be a good 27 ly out there (good math, huh?). So long as it wasn't in a well-tavelled space lane (ie: between two major star systems) or within a star system, it might be overlooked by vessels enroute to other destinations. "Space is big".
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
The real Alpha Ceti star is listed in astronomy texts as being 150 light years away, and the Enterprise probably wouldn't have gone too far off course to take Khan and crew to their exile, so if the Botany Bay was found close by the Alpha Ceti system, they would have to have been propelld faster than 10%, right?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: The real Alpha Ceti star is listed in astronomy texts as being 150 light years away, and the Enterprise probably wouldn't have gone too far off course to take Khan and crew to their exile, so if the Botany Bay was found close by the Alpha Ceti system, they would have to have been propelld faster than 10%, right?
Actually the Botany Bay was found near the Gamma 400 system (Starbase 12). *Checks Mandel's Starcharts* I'll be damned, it looks like Starbase 12 is just about 27 light years from Earth. As for how the Enterprise made it all the way out to the Ceti Alpha system...subspace highway anyone?
Now the question is, what kind of propultion system would have gotten the Botany Bay up 10% lightspeed? Bearing in mind that it was supposed to have been powered by a Nuclear Reactor, presumably fission but I wouldn't put it past Khan & co to invent cold fusion in '96 and not tell anyone.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Treknophyle: The Aries was 'abducted' by a naturally-ocurring subspace phenomena while in the orbit of Mars. I suppose a similar phenomena could have picked up the Botany Bay and deposited it far in space.
If recall the episode correctly, the orange swirly thing was difficult to escape from especially for an unpowered ship so I think we can eliminate that as an explanation for anything that's turned up in deep space.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: IMHO, the Botany Bay could have gotten into deep space all on her own. Give her a couple of centuries (270 yrs objective time) and a sublight speed of at least ten percent lightspeed, and she gets far enough from Earth that she could be considered lost.
After looking at Mandel's star charts, I concur.
quote: The Birdseye could also have had significant onboard propulsion, in some sort of a jettisonable stage. Who knows what philosophical reasons drove the project? Perhaps it was essential to get the dead bodies into deep space (and as we know, the vicinity of the Romulan border isn't all THAT deep). Applying pragmatic logic to the Birdseye project won't get us very far (literally!), since there's very little pragmatism in postmortem cryostasis anyway...
Of course, the solar panels on the satellite do suggest an intended mission profile close to some star or another, not a deep space mission.
I'm pretty sure that it was clearly stated that the Birdseye was supposed to be in orbit.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yes. It was called a cryosattelite. So one would assume it's supposed to be in orbit.
Were they even mildly surprised to find it all the way Out There?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: The propulsion-less Voyager VI and Pioneer XI would be different matters, and should logically have encountered a wormhole, a "what used to be called a black hole" (as Decker puts it), or a "One Small Step" type anomaly. Or perhaps a bunch of alien abducteers. Perhaps these strange phenomena later disappeared because of Vulcan activity in the region: the Vulcans could have dredged the system clear of nav hazards, or scared away the abducting pranksters, while securing their survey operations.
I'm not sure why alien abducteers would bother to pick up bits of space junk and them dump them light years away in deep space. I think a wormhole is the best explanation for these two, possibly the same wormhole that Kirk & opened with their warp inbalance in TMP?
As for the Charybdis, exactly what do we know about it's journey? We know that it left earth in 2037, that contact was lost on it's way out of the system and it later encountered and alien intellegence that caused the death of all but one of the crew. I don't have access to the TNG scripts so perhaps someone could shed some light on the timing of these events. How long was Col Richey living in that hotel? How long had he been dead when the E-D away team found him? That should tell us when the Charybdis arrived in the vacinity of Theta 116 (can someone find that on the star charts? I've looked but I might have missed it). I doubt that the encounter took place in or near the Sol System since if that were the case then wouldn't the aliens have simply returned the ship to earth instead of dragging it to another system.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"They said by putting it in orbit there wouldn't be no chance of a brown out."
Or something along those lines. The idea of it being in Earth orbit was definitely there though.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Re: Age of Borg
I think the drone found on that planet in early VGR was quite old. Also, they were around when the Vaadwaur went to sleep, which was 700-800 years ago or something.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
It also should be noted that as of 2063 the Borg were still only in the Delta Quadrant.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, according to Crusher. Also, the Vaadwauri guy noted they were a rather undeveloped mennace 700 to 800 years ago... so maybe they're only about 900 years old... at least... in the form we know them now. It would all depend on exactly what their origin is.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I'm not sure why alien abducteers would bother to pick up bits of space junk and them dump them light years away in deep space."
Perhaps a Pakled ship saw it, so they grabbed it w/ their tractor beam. But, they forgot how to open the cargo bay doors, so they just towed it along behind them. Then someone pushed the wrong button ad the ship blew up. Either that, or they annoyed someone unfriendsly, who blew hem up.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: The Borg would have no reason to construct a transwarp conduit near Earth until the 24th century.
No but Janeway's time-meddling could have caused a AFFECT in TIME.
Might have been what caused the Enterprise to go back to 1966 in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"! - Yes they said a black-sun/black-hole but they might not have known what the anomaly was.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Finally, I am useful!
From my on-again off-again chronology project:
The Royale BE 800 (1) Fermat comes up with his famous last theorem. CE 1648-1651
BE 332 A fifty-second state is added to the United States of America. CE 2033
BE 328 The Charybdis is launched on Earth. Before it becomes the first manned mission to travel outside the solar system, it encounters an unknown alien lifeform, which apparently unintentionally kills nearly all the crew and transports the ship to the planet Theta 116 VIII. July 23, CE 2037
BE 321 The Charybdis arrives at Theta 116 VIII. (2) CE 2044
BE 283 Colonel Stephen Richey dies on Theta 116 VIII. CE 2082
TNG 1+176 days "The Royale" Stardate 42625.4 CE 2365
1.) Fermat's Last Theorem is closer to 700 than 800 years old at this time.
2.) In his only diary entry, Colonel Richey says he has been at the Hotel Royale for 38 years. This was presumably written at or near the end of his life.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Are we sure ir was Earth orbit? Better survival chances (for the sattelite, not the corpsicles) in solar orbit - and more sunlight for the solar panels.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: BE 321 The Charybdis arrives at Theta 116 VIII. (2) CE 2044
Ok, according to the mission report contact with the Charybdis was lost in 2038, one year into the mission (give or take). That gives a travel time of 6 years, assuming it could have somehow reached 10% ls like the Botany Bay that gives us a maximum range of...0.4 light years. Considering that Alpha Centari is 4.3 light years away, I think it's safe to say that the Charybdis didn't arrive in Theta 116 under it's own power...which just happens to have been a "Block-D Fission Core" if that has any bearing on the subject.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Treknophyle: Are we sure ir was Earth orbit? Better survival chances (for the sattelite, not the corpsicles) in solar orbit - and more sunlight for the solar panels.
Best not to get too close to the sun, otherwise you might get your circuits fried by some nasty gamma rays...or risk defrosting the cargo.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
RE: Charybdis Correction, it's a "BLOCK D GAS-CORE FISSION REACTOR PROPULSION SYSTEM" whatever that is.
Contact was in fact lost some 6 months and 14 days into the flight.
quote: DEPARTURE: 07-23-2037 LOST: 2-07-2038,
It's still not clear if the Alien encounter is responsible for the cut off or there was a malfunction and they simply chanced upon the aliens.
The mission report dose have one interesting reference to how fast it could go.
quote: VEHICLE SYSTEMS AT TELEMETRY CUTOFF INDICATED THRUST ABNORMALITY; VEHICLE ATTAINED 12X SOLAR ESCAPE VELOCITY 2.56 HOURS EARLIER THAN PLANNED. ASSUMED VEHICLE LOST WITH CONSUMABLES RUNOUT, 20% POSSIBILITY OF CREW SURVIVAL WITH HIBERNATION SYSTEMS AT LOW USAGE MODE.
For those without a calculator handy; 12x Solar escape velocity = 12 * 620 km/s = 7440 km/s Aren't I lucky that we (at the ASDB) discussed all this mathematical malarkey back when we were coming up with a design.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm. I'm somewhat disappointed that the math *I* did (the challenging 10% times 270 years kind) didn't get fully implemented in the Star Charts. Sure, Gamma 400 and SB12 are placed at the distance I intended, and in the direction of Pollux as "Who Mourns" requires, AND the direction of Cetus on the assumption that Kirk didn't go very far off course when he marooned Khan at Ceti Alpha. I also intended to put the Mutara nebula and the Regula system in the immediate vicinity, even though the bit about "Space Seed" taking place in the Mutara sector isn't canon and even if such a sector might encompass a number of other locations as well.
But Mandel still put the Mutara Nebula near the real Alpha Ceti, instead of using a fictional "Mu Ceti A" or somesuch next to SB12. An unfortunate communications failure, and a good lesson on the need for beta-checks...
The Charybdis' original mission didn't seem all that ambitious - a few hundred AUs out, hang around, test some life support stuff and Air Force secret weapons, get back. 12 times solar escape velocity seems a bit excessive for an intended performance. I'd say the engine was redlining badly, and would just have destroyed the vessel before actual interstellar ranges could have been achieved. The aliens would probably have interfered as a life-saving measure.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Hmm, very interesting... But Timo, the quote above from Reverend says "VEHICLE ATTAINED 12X SOLAR ESCAPE VELOCITY 2.56 HOURS EARLIER THAN PLANNED" -- which implies that the ship was meant to go that fast.
However, that might be explained by saying that reaching a certain velocity sooner than expected means greater acceleration, which in itself could be considered "redlining."
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: But Mandel still put the Mutara Nebula near the real Alpha Ceti, instead of using a fictional "Mu Ceti A" or somesuch next to SB12. An unfortunate communications failure, and a good lesson on the need for beta-checks...
Ah, we have a star charts expert! Good, you can tell us where he put Theta 116.
quote: The Charybdis' original mission didn't seem all that ambitious - a few hundred AUs out, hang around, test some life support stuff and Air Force secret weapons, get back. 12 times solar escape velocity seems a bit excessive for an intended performance. I'd say the engine was redlining badly, and would just have destroyed the vessel before actual interstellar ranges could have been achieved.
Well if it was the third manned attempt to escape the solar system you can forgive NASA for being a little cautious after two sucessive failures...you have to give them credit though, even after three failures they still sent out the Jacob, doesn't sound like the NASA we know. Perhaps this is a result of the USAF involvement? They must have really wanted to test that gizmo. Perhaps that Gizmo was a Botany Bay detector
quote: The aliens would probably have interfered as a life-saving measure.
I'm pretty sure that it was said that the alien intervention is what unintentionally killed all but one of the crew, which is why they felt guilty and made a little home for him.
The alien(s) must have been very alien indeed, not your run-of-the-mill latex forehead jobs if they managed to somehow snag a primitive space vessel and drag it across space, far enough that they don't know which system they picked it up in. Possibly something similar to the Caretaker's race, Nagilum, the Excalibans or the wormhole aliens? It'd have to be a race advanced enough to manipulate the fabric of space to cause that funky business with the revolving doors, have the ability to create the hotel and the human players. Not to mention the ability to read an alien language and interpret abstract descriptions into a detailed and solid construction.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't recall seeing a "loss of contact" date. Time to go back and review, I guess.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
The reactor systems are lifted from the description of those of the Discovery from 2001 -- a chamber that uses gaseous ammonia as the fissionable reaction mass, carried in slush tanks along the spine of the ship. I don't know what bearing that would have on your Charybdis design though...
--Jonah
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
Fissionable reaction mass?! You can't fission ammonia! I think that there would be a solid fission core and ammonia would be pumped into that... and ejected as thrust.
I could be wrong... Happens sometimes.
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: The reactor systems are lifted from the description of those of the Discovery from 2001 -- a chamber that uses gaseous ammonia as the fissionable reaction mass, carried in slush tanks along the spine of the ship. I don't know what bearing that would have on your Charybdis design though...
--Jonah
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Gimme a bit to dig out my 2001 tech notes from storage...
--Jonah
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What happend/what swept the Valiant to the Galactic Barrier?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Don't think the Valiant was swept there, but went there under her own warp power. It would have taken a long time, but I don't recall her ever being brought there by any other means. What are the dates regarding her anyway?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I am super useful! Only, perhaps not. My list thingy only contains information from within TOS and its attendant films, and no exterior facts, whether from spin off shows or extra-televisual items. So the exact date isn't on here, just ones I could derive from various clues over the run of the show/films. But the relative dates are, which are just as useful.
quote:Where No Man Has Gone Before BST 400-200 "Nightingale Woman" written by Tarbolde on the Canopius planet CE 1996 (1)
BE 210-190 S.S. Valiant lost CE 2006-2186 CE 2061-2154 CE 1970-1990 CE 2057-2194
BE 33 Gary Mitchell born (2) Stardate 1087.7 CE 2163-2363 CE 2238-2311 CE 2147 CE 2234-2251
BE 31 Elizabeth Dehner born (2) Stardate 1089.5 CE 2165-2365 CE 2240-2313 CE 2149 CE 2236-2253
BE 23 Gary Mitchell born (2) Stardate 1087.7 CE 2153-2353 CE 2248-2321 CE 2157 CE 2244-2261
BE 21 Elizabeth Dehner born (2) Stardate 1089.5 CE 2155-2355 CE 2250-2323 CE 2159 CE 2246-2263
BE 15 Kirk and Mitchell meet, presumably at the academy (3) CE 2181-2381 CE 2256-2329 CE 2165 CE 2252-2269
ST 0+13 days, September 3-9 (4) "Where No Man Has Gone Before" Stardate 1312.4-1313.8 CE 2196-2396 CE 2271-2344 CE 2180 CE 2267-2284
1.) Mitchell gives the date of the poem and then mentions it was the most romantic written in the "past couple of centuries." My purely arbitrary definition of couple is two to four. 2.) It seems highly unlikely that Mitchell and Dehner were 23 and 21, respectively, during the episode, regardless of the ages given on their files. 3.) Mitchell's description of his academy years make it sound like he had not met Kirk prior to attending. It is interesting to note that if Mitchell met Kirk during his first year, and we assume from evidence in TNG that most people go to the academy at the age of 18, Mitchell would be 33 during the episode, which seems like a more reasonable age for a Lieutenant Commander and XO. If we're adding ten years to Mitchell's age, it doesn't seem unreasonable to do the same for Dr. Dehner, making her 31. 4.) Based on each episode being roughly thirteen days apart, with no delay between the first and second pilots.
We get two different and mutually exclusive stardate schemes here. The first, appearing on the personnel files Spock reviews, suggest that one stardate equals one year. By that scheme, Mitchell was 226 years old when he died, and the episode itself took over a year.
Kirk's date of birth, as given by his tombstone and as near as I can make out, is stardate 1277.1.
That was probably unnecessary, but I am a small and petty person.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The Valiant certainly wasn't sent to deliberately sail to the Barrier - Kirk was very emotional about how it was "impossible" that an Earth vessel other than his own starship would be in this region of space.
OTOH, the mission of the Valiant was intended to be a multi-year one, if we believe Kirk when he says the ship was launched "over" 200 years ago and lost "almost" 200 years ago. And Kirk could reach the barrier within no more than two years out of his reputed five-year mission (that's the maximum time we can allocate - the TOS episodes we saw could have spanned more than three years, and then there's TAS). Heck, in later episodes, he seemed to return to the Barrier in a matter of hours. So it doesn't sound impossible for the Valiant to do the same within a few decades. Why was the feat "impossible" nevertheless? Was two-three decades completely beyond the endurance limit of a pre-TOS vessel?
Dialogue establishes that the Valiant was hit by a "magnetic storm". While there's nothing there to indicate that this storm seriously displaced the ship (apart from throwing her across the Barrier), there's nothing to say it didn't. Perhaps "magnetic storm" is what a wormhole-type anomaly would look like to the inexperienced 21st century starship commander.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Sol, what do all those dates mean in your chronology thing? I'm assuming BST means Before Star Trek, but what about BE?
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
before Enterprise?
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Sol, what do all those dates mean in your chronology thing? I'm assuming BST means Before Star Trek, but what about BE?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
If BE 15 is equal to CE 2165, then I think not.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I read it as Before Episode.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: The reactor systems are lifted from the description of those of the Discovery from 2001 -- a chamber that uses gaseous ammonia as the fissionable reaction mass, carried in slush tanks along the spine of the ship. I don't know what bearing that would have on your Charybdis design though...
--Jonah
Oh don't worry about that, it's still little more than a sketch. I fully intend to go back and redraw everything aft of the antenna. If anyone can find a basic diagram of this type of engine it would be very helpful to that end.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Regarding the Valiant: According to Mandel's charts the nearest point of the galactic barrier is about 2250 light years away from earth. Given that this is a circa 2065 ship it's maximum speed would probably been something like warp 2 (TNG Scale, I don't know what the TOS scale looks like). That 10xls they would have made it to the barrier in 22.5 years, hardly swept. A wormhole would be a consistent answer since as has already been pointed out, a primitive warp ship might not have sensors advanced enough or a crew with enough space experience to recognise a wormhole it came up and bit them on the nacelle...which apparently, is precisely what this one did.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Regarding the Valiant: According to Mandel's charts the nearest point of the galactic barrier is about 2250 light years away from earth. Given that this is a circa 2065 ship it's maximum speed would probably been something like warp 2 (TNG Scale, I don't know what the TOS scale looks like). That 10xls they would have made it to the barrier in 22.5 years, hardly swept.
Math error!
2250 * 10 = 225
Also, Warp 2 in the old scale is 8c based on the "warp factor cubed" formula.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: A wormhole would be a consistent answer since as has already been pointed out, a primitive warp ship might not have sensors advanced enough or a crew with enough space experience to recognise a wormhole
It's also a plausible explanation that since Warp technology then was still in its infancy, and we know by 2271 that even with two centuries with the technology, the refit Enterprise was able to inadvertently create a wormhole with their warp drive, the Valiant with inferior engines could've done the same!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Stupid brain fart, I knew I should have used a calculator. It's just hard to reach the buttons from inside this straight jacket. I could say that it was a typo but you wouldn't belive me...better to claim stupidity than incompetance.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to put my life savings into internet stock.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:better to claim stupidity than incompetance
Heh, that's good siq quote material... Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
BE does indeed mean Before Episode. Uh, so does BST. I started with the latter, but switched over to the easier (by one whole letter!) system. Apparently I didn't fix the whole list. Anyway, those are the relative dates.
Uh, in the real list, the years are color-coded so that one might easily see which measuring scheme is derived from which episode or film. In this case, the last dates given for each entry are pulled from The Wrath of Khan, and also, as you can see, are the closest to the "real" dates.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Math error!
2250 * 10 = 22 500
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Ah, shaddup...
2250 / 10 = 225
*sigh*
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
OTOH, give the ship some cryogenics, have it go full throttle for the entire time between launch and rediscovery (due to some mishap that happened on the way to the originally intended target, while the crew slept), and have the disastrous encounter with the barrier take place nine days before Kirk arrived. Solves pretty much everything. The recorder marker doesn't have to have too long-lasting a set of batteries, even.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
There is one problem with that solution. Wouldn't someone have commented on the fact that the log entries on the recorder are only a few days or weeks old?
I think the wormhole theory is still the best solution.
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