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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
We all know that the USS Trieste is Merced class, right? Well, I got to looking at this image on Spike's site (link, 7th one down) and unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, the USS Trieste is listed as Yosemite class.
 

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
 
We've already discussed that. This screenshot from a TNG episode confirms that the Trieste is listed as Merced-class. The conclusion was that the display you mentioned was either a pre-production version or corrected later.
 

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Heh, that's a scan I made and drew on. In case you're wondering, the picture is out of a 30th anniversary magazine I had (and currently can't find). It also had a large picture of the VGR Cutaway graphic from the rear of the bridge.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
wow, lets not bring up anything anyone ever talked about on here before or people will get cranky, and heads will roll.
 

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Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
 
Better yet: Let us not misinterpret comments.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
i was being sarcastic...lets not misinterpret
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
I personally got it directly from Okuda that the class name was changed on the final display because the Oberth-class U.S.S. Yosemite made an appearance in "Realm of Fear" (TNG) and he wanted to avoid the confusion that might result. This is noted in the pertinent entries (Yosemite and Trieste) of my shiplist.

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
wow, lets not bring up anything anyone ever talked about on here before or people will get cranky, and heads will roll.

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I can understand that everyone is not always aware of everything that's been covered on this board over the years, and agree that (usually) they don't deserve to have everyone jump down their throat when they post a repeat question, but this forum does have a "search" function, which it is a good idea to make use of before posting about something that may have been discussed previously.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Oh. Well, my mistake. Didn't know this had been covered...

And just so you know, Mim, not everyone is used to a working search function
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
There's a SEARCH function!?!

I've never seen this particular topic covered before.

I was going to put forward maybe two Triestes.
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 

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Originally posted by Topher:
Oh. Well, my mistake. Didn't know this had been covered...

And just so you know, Mim, not everyone is used to a working search function

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Ouch.

Okuda changed it from Yosemite-class to Merced-class because he knew there was going to be a USS Yosemite. Does that give us a hint for when the siplist first appeared? Or was it seen ages before and just changed when Okuda learned about the Yosemite's appearance? And why would he change such a minor detail that no one could read on the small screen after all? (OK, the answer to the last question may be 'dedication' and 'enthusiasm', but forgive me that I suspected in our current post-Voyager-situation these words have become meaningless )
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Well, you see, from when Flare was first created until this current incarnation, the search function never worked.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
it works okay for me, you just need to be DAMN specific to find EXACTLY what you want.

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Does that give us a hint for when the s[h]iplist first appeared?

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
ha- not bad for a loathed "newbie" (to this site, not Trek)

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That's way out of line, FG. Don't let it happen again. Don't bring your gripes into other threads/fora.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
WTF? He made a cynical comment. Since when is that "out of line"? Leave this poor guy alone, he's posting stuff that actually contributes to the thread. (In fact, he's the only one who's actually brought NEW information into the discussion. Namely, a likely first appearance of the display in question, which I've asked about many time before but no one has ever provided.)

Your comment is the one that's out of line, Topher. Why is everyone behaving like jerks?

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
Umm, so yeah...like I said...check out Chain of Command and we may very well have solved other little okudagram mystery

BTW, I was being smug, which last I checked, fits into the sarcasm category...lets try to stay in line by staying on topic here.
 

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Posted by Scott Nixon (Member # 540) on :
 
The first occurance of this chart for me was page 35 of "Star Trek The Next Generation" magazine, volume 15 ('90-'91 season), published by Starlog in '91. There is an article on Mike Okuda, with a bunch of Okudagrams from the show accompanying the text, the starship chart being one of them. The caption for this Okudagram says "A readout from the Bridge missions operations station on current status in sectors 21538-23079." Since this was already existing by '91, then I'd say the chart had to exist prior to "Chain of Command," which was in the '92-'93 season; and if the caption is accurate, it looks like the chart originated as a graphic on one of the small screens on the bridge.
I remember that on the "Captain's Chair" CD-ROM, this chart is one of the choices for one of the big viewscreens in the E-D briefing room. If the placement of the graphics in "Captain's Chair" is accurate to how things were set up on the TNG soundstages, then maybe the chart started out as a small graphic on the bridge near the beginning of the series then was 'enlarged' or whatever for the briefing room later--such as for "Chain of Command."
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scott Nixon:
The first occurance of this chart for me was page 35 of "Star Trek The Next Generation" magazine, volume 15 ('90-'91 season), published by Starlog in '91. There is an article on Mike Okuda, with a bunch of Okudagrams from the show accompanying the text, the starship chart being one of them. The caption for this Okudagram says "A readout from the Bridge missions operations station on current status in sectors 21538-23079." Since this was already existing by '91, then I'd say the chart had to exist prior to "Chain of Command," which was in the '92-'93 season; and if the caption is accurate, it looks like the chart originated as a graphic on one of the small screens on the bridge.
I remember that on the "Captain's Chair" CD-ROM, this chart is one of the choices for one of the big viewscreens in the E-D briefing room. If the placement of the graphics in "Captain's Chair" is accurate to how things were set up on the TNG soundstages, then maybe the chart started out as a small graphic on the bridge near the beginning of the series then was 'enlarged' or whatever for the briefing room later--such as for "Chain of Command."

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So I take it that this is the Yosemite-class version you're referring to, right?
 

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Posted by Scott Nixon (Member # 540) on :
 
Yes.
 

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Posted by Scott Nixon (Member # 540) on :
 
I just checked my copy of "Captain's Chair," and it looks like I need to clarify:
The chart in the magazine has Trieste as Yosemite class, while the chart in "Captain's Chair" has Trieste as Merced class.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Before we get any more entrenched in this, I suggest everyone read through this thread from a while back and familiarize yourselves with what has already been talked about. The image links in my posts at the beginning are now defunct, but to summarize, there are three versions of this display:

The original version.
This was the first incarnation, which it now seems probably appeared on bridge console screens prior to "The Chain of Command."

The revised version.
From the conference lounge set. Modified from the above in only one way---the class of the Trieste was changed to Merced-class in order to avoid confusion after the U.S.S. Yosemite appeared as an Oberth-class vessel in "Realm of Fear." This is what I would consider the definitive version.

The Captain's Chair CD-ROM version.
The graphic was apparently altered extensively for the CD-ROM, as there are numerous differences from the above versions. Among them are changes to starship assignment listings, the registry of the Zhukov, and the spelling of Merrimac(k). So far as we know, this version never appeared on the show and is not canon.

If version #2 first appeared in season 6's "The Chain of Command," then the question still stands as to when version #1 first appeared. In the other thread, someone claimed to have remembered it from as early as season 3's "Sins of the Father." I asked then and I'll ask again now: Can anyone confirm this? (Remember, it will likely be on a bridge display.)

Maybe you didn't do such a bad thing in starting this thread after all, Topher.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Well there's one less thing I mucked up.
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
I payed pretty close attention to Sins of the Father (hence my question/post about the name of the captain of the Intrepid) and the only displays that they showed on screen...either close up or not were the following:

1) the Intrepids sensor log, listing the captain and some paragraphs regarding their scans

2) the screen comparing the transmission logs from Intrepid to that of the captured Romulan vessel that were off kilter

3) And finally, the search Crusher made on survivors of Khitomer that showed Kahlest as a result.

So it most certainly isnt from "Sins..." I'm still going through all the 3rd season eps yet, so I may come across it sooner or later (I'm poor so thats why Im so far behind on the DVD viewing)

Otherwise yeah, I have the old Star Trek 30 Years Edition Magizine (from '96) that shows some old Okudagrams in it and it shows a bridge display but doesnt mention from where on it. Guess I didnt even notice it until I was thumbing through it the other day.
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Poor? Ha! You'd have to be rich to fork over $150 every time a new DVD set comes out.
 

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Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
 

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Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
I payed pretty close attention to Sins of the Father ...

So it most certainly isnt from "Sins..."

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It was not given distinct screen time, Futurama Guy, it was just somthing on the Mission Ops console at the back of the bridge during other scenes.

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Poor? Ha! You'd have to be rich to fork over $150 every time a new DVD set comes out.

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Whoa! $150? I suppose that is in Canadian though. So far I have gotten all of mine either second hand or new at a considerable discount...prolly paid under $200US for the first 3 seasons. But then again, I only have the first 3 seasons. And season 4 new just went on Ebay for $59...
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Any value in Canadian dollars will be larger than its equivalent in US dollars. CA$150 = US$98.44
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
Holy crap, I did not know that...does this Canada also make its own money too, or do they just color US money with red and blue crayons and call it their own? Cuz I heard once that that is what they did, and thats how it loses its value....
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
What on Earth are you on about now?
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
What I want to know is why Data served on the Trieste in the first place? Think about it, hes the most valuable form of intelligence in Starfleet and he served on some obscure vessel that probably wouldnt last long in any hazardous situation considering how little Data had to say positive about the ship in the 1010101010101 episode.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Perhaps that was the whole idea - to keep Data aboard some sort of a no-frills harbor tug so that he wouldn't venture to the Final Frontier and run into anything nasty. Or nastier than a wormhole anyway.

One wonders if Data really was thought to be that interesting in the end. The Starfleet and UFP efforts to study him appear halfhearted at best, and only look good in comparison with the even sorrier efforts to solve the mystery of his origin, the disappearance of Dr Soong and the destruction of the colony.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
um.. we're inferring an awful lot about the three lines that were ever spoken about the Trieste.. i don't know how these thought pop into your heads.

> The Trieste was a starship.. just because it wasn't the flagship, we cannot rightfully determine its abilities based on that fact..
Everyone in 11001001 (<-eight digits, dude).. said the Trieste was 'too slow' to catch the Galaxy-class 1701-D. Here's a list of other ships that are too slow to catch the E-D:
NX-01
the Enterprise
the E-A
the E-B
the E-C
the Excelsior.

see, by your logic, that means that all these ships are slow, impotent? no.. all it means is that they arent as fast as the E-D.

Now, saying that the Trieste wouldnt last long in a hazardous situation is pure idiocy, considering that we know it is a Federation starship.. Starfleet does have a knack for losing large capital ships, but usually only when there is a large phallic probe or space amoeba involved, it doesnt habitually send incapable ships into impossible situations for no reason.. there's no data to support this comment.

Data served on the Trieste because he was a Starfleet officer, and that was a Federation starship. We have no idea where the Trieste's missions were or what its capabilities were, except that that fell short of the E-D, and that narrows nothing down, because, when the E-D was commissioned, every single ship in Starfleet fell short of its abilities.

And Data was far from a valuable form of intelligence to Starfleet at the time. Considering his near-uselessness during season 1 TNG, i would say that the 26 years he spent on the Trieste and other assignments were time well spent learning the role of an officer on a starship.. by Encounter at Farpoint, Data was a reliable worker and manned a post ably, but he lacked many of the abilities he would gain during his tenure on the Enterprises, the ability to command a crew, interact with humans, participate in political situations..

Data wasnt sent out as a waste of his abilities, he didnt have those abilities yet.
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 

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see, by your logic, that means that all these ships are slow, impotent?

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Well, if they are, is there any starship viagra?
 

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Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
 
I believe that it is fair to say that this display was seen in 'Descent, Part I' in the briefing room as well....

[ February 27, 2003, 03:07 AM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
 

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