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I would expect several internal changes since it's a completely different ship and, argueably, built in the new configuration instead of being refit. I believe the bridge units can be swapped out... so that doesn't bother me.

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Then again it could be another Constitution class ship that was refitted like the E-Nil. I don't think she was that special at the time.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
I don't really think the internal differences between E-nil-refit and E-A are that major. The bridge is re-carpeted and re-consoled and the turbolift end stations moved one notch - but the bridge was probably built for that kind of redecorating to begin with. Either through simple replumbing of the innards (which is easy since the bridge comes in modular wedges, some of which are seen hanging slightly loose in TOS!), or through changing the module (a nifty if noncanon concept).

The shuttlebay in turn need not be radically altered. All we need is a physical bulkhead to separate the landing bay from the cargo bay and hangar area, instead of a forcefield. This need not affect the functionality of the interiors a bit, because the new bulkhead has shuttle-sized doors to it, too. The big cargo hold and the hangars could still exist beyond those doors. And could have been there even in the TOS ship, for all we know. (Alas, there were no shuttle-sized doors there back then...)

Yes, a turboshaft has to be re-inserted between these doors, but that won't be a major change given how malleable turboshafts are anyway. In fact, I'd think the E-A simply got less of a refit in this area than the E-nil, and retained more of the TOS structures, including that central turbo. (Yes, I assume the E-A was a TOS Constitution in a previous life.)

As for the bunking issue, we never saw how enlisted people bunked in TOS or the earlier movies. The lowest-ranking person whose cabin we visited was Lt. Ilia. Or Lt. Uhura in TOS. For all we know, people from Ensign down were kept in chains in the bilge tank.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I have the Ent-A cutaway poster that came with the ERTL kit... but it's at home and I can't scan it right now.
 

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Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
 
The E-A also had different configurations for its torpedo launch bay, sickbay and main engineering (not much of a surprise for the last two, given that they were redresses of the E-D sets).


And, of course, the equipment Starfleet stole from the TARDIS so they could fit 78 decks into the hull.
 

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Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
 

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Originally posted by Woodside Kid:
And, of course, the equipment Starfleet stole from the TARDIS so they could fit 78 decks into the hull.

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Originally posted by Timo:
As for the bunking issue, we never saw how enlisted people bunked in TOS or the earlier movies. The lowest-ranking person whose cabin we visited was Lt. Ilia. Or Lt. Uhura in TOS. For all we know, people from Ensign down were kept in chains in the bilge tank.

Timo Saloniemi

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I have the Ent-A cutaway poster that came with the ERTL kit... but it's at home and I can't scan it right now.

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
Hmm, yes. I have that TMP cut away poster, but I should collect data from the magazine. Anybody got good references to the inside of the E-A? Bonus browny points for posting pictures or picture links.

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Well, this ain't the Enterprise A, but it's the TMP ship. I posted a link to this once before, but here's one of Andy Probert's drawings from TMP with annotations by me...



Neutron
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
...And as stated before, I'd rather that the vertical intermix shaft ("impulse shaft" here) ran farther back than Probert intended, perhaps a bit aft of what in this picture is the forward bulkhead of the cargo hold.

This wouldn't violate anything on screen, since

a) we didn't see the front end of the TMP cargo hold
b) we did see the "oops" corridor" that could be easily explained by this move
c) the length of the main engineering deck and the horizontal shaft there was forced-perspective anyway, and doesn't have to be as long as shown here
d) we never saw the upper end of the vertical shaft, either, so it could very well either terminate in a big deuterium tank after one or two decks, or go up to the saucer in a staircase manner, or even follow the trailing edge of the connecting fin.

Such a placement would also nicely put the lower part of the vertical shaft above the big rectangles at the bottom of the hull, near the ventral phasers. Warp core and AM bottle downwards ejection in classic TNG manner! The shaft would then go through the middle of the arboretum, but there's nothing to prevent this.

The E-A could and should have an identical arrangement - there, too, a corridor leading forward of the vertical core is implied, due to the shape of the TNG engineering set (even if we didn't see the entire set in ST6).

The TOS arrangement could again be similar. The more room we can arrange in front of main engineering, the better, since the deflector machinery is bound to be rather voluminous (consider the deep "grooves" in the TOS ship, between the concentric cylinders that formed the bow of the secondary hull).

And the shuttlebay and cargo hold arrangements in all three incarnations could be more or less identical, give or take a bulkhead or a turboshaft. Those areas could be treated as forced-perspective mattes/sets/models on all ships, so the exact dimensions wouldn't matter much.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Originally posted by Timo:
...And as stated before, I'd rather that the vertical intermix shaft ("impulse shaft" here) ran farther back than Probert intended, perhaps a bit aft of what in this picture is the forward bulkhead of the cargo hold.

This wouldn't violate anything on screen, since

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Which wouldn't bother me the slightest bit. There's room down there for a central pillar that separates the shaft from the shrubbery.

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And the downward extent of the shaft shown was only three decks at most.

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
My cut-a-way project web page has four related pics, mostly things that friends provided and the one above. The Q & R deck blueprint is fan made and should provide some interesting comment.
Cut-a-way project

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
I was just looking at the edge of the saucer hull and it seems to me that a single deck would be more logical, matching the main hatch, as in THIS PICTURE and the two-level windows are more decorative, then suggesting two decks, as in THIS CUTTAWAY

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Hmm, yes... I've been trying to look for bridge graphics that show decks.

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Well, there is the red alert graphic seen in TWOK that shows the decks flashing on. I have it, but I';m in the midst of cleaning it up.
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 
Ok, I made THIS from the TWOK DVD...



I looked at it closely, and here are my conclusions:
--There ARE two decks at the outer rim of the saucer, the lower of which is deck 7
--The dorsal appears to have one extra deck that doesn't match Andy Probert's cutaway...but that "deck" isn't shown flashing in this sequence
--The aft third of the torpedo deck is in the "dark color" that seems to indicate an unihabited area
--The layout of the cargo deck and hangar deck conform to Andy's cutaway, except that the bay isn't as tall as it in shown in the film...I presume because this animation was done before the cargo bay matte was designed
--If one takes this as accurate, the ship has 21 decks total

Although this animation was shown in TWOK, it was actually made for TMP, and appears in one of the TV spots for the film.

[ March 20, 2003, 02:31 AM: Message edited by: MrNeutron ]
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
wow, that's nice! I wish we had access to the original, to tell what the text is.
 

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Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
wow, that's nice! I wish we had access to the original, to tell what the text is.

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
wow, that's nice! I wish we had access to the original, to tell what the text is.

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There's a real good chance that the 'text' like many of the display graphics show rows of strings of numbers.

That's a really cool gif made from that scene though.

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Well, I looked at the same animation on one of the TMP trailers and each line confroms to a deck entry. Im not 100% sure every letter below is correct, but this is what the 2nd column reads like in the last frame I could make out:

DECK MCL 0013
DECK CRA 0015
DECK O3C 0016c
DECK STG 0019
DECK MLD0020

Here's a cleaned up version of the image with the deck lines drawn in. Since the deck labels flash on along with the deck that lights up, it was easy to see what deck was what. Here is the result...and as canonical as you can get to the number of decks in the refit and their position.



That Deck 4 is the one just above the broadest deck in the saucer is also confirmed by the "Intruder Alert" diagram made for TMP and which also appears in TWOK, which identifies the deck as 4.

Neutron
 

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Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
 

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Originally posted by Treknophyle:
Check out the deck plans I made about 15 years ago. Cross section should still apply.

I managed to fit in the turboshafts 'around' main engineering.

Unfortunately, I didn't know they were going to put crewmen in bunk rooms.

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Originally posted by Timo:
I'd still say that the final analysis of the red alert diagram fails to show Deck 1... The uppermost lit level would be the level *below* the bridge, and possibly because the diagram was being flashed ON the bridge!

Timo Saloniemi

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No, because the BRIDGE flashes when the DECK 01 label comes on. There is no room for a deck above that. Don't make me make a big ol animated GIF to prove you wrong.
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 
I'm still working on this...but here's a crude in-progress image of the refit's turbolift system, as seen in the turbolift in TMP. You can see the twin parallel turboshafts that link to the twin turbos on the bridge.



This is a tough image to work out because in the top view it's not always apparent what is on what deck. I made a number of captures from the film and am still tying to correlate them.
 

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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
That is the same artwork I worked from originally. I had to do some minor adaptations, but found that the layout did actually work fairly well (such as with the rec deck).
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
That's wonky. I'd expect some sort of "quadrantal symmetry" in the saucer.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
I dunno, we know that there are a number of compartments in the primary hull that are not symetrical, such as the reck deck and the medical bay, so that diagram was probobly made to reflect a realistic working plan, ever a symetrical one. I don't have my old FJ blueprints any more, but I assumed that the turbo lift chart was taken from that, but things like the cargo bay turbo lifts would probobly not be like that in the TOS plan.

I'm eating these graphics up, for my cut-a-way model, I would love to see any more. I've started taking vidcaps from TMP, but I need to buy the other movies too.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
Spike's is backup, it has a great collection of internal images and graphics.
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
I don't have my old FJ blueprints any more, but I assumed that the turbo lift chart was taken from that, but things like the cargo bay turbo lifts would probobly not be like that in the TOS plan.

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I checked the FJ blueprints...no real correlation. The artists on the film probably did it. Maybe Lee Cole or Mike Minor.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
The twin parallel shafts from the bridge to the aft rim of the saucer are an awkward solution if they are on the same deck. What could possibly lie between them?

If, OTOH, one of those shafts is on the lower saucer deck and one on the upper, then this is a case of sensible redundancy for that all-important connection between bridge and main engineering. In general, what looks like continuous shaftage in the top view should probably rather be interpreted as overlaid images of shafts on two deck. This allows for sensible corridor connections that aren't blocked by too many radial or circumferential turboshafts.

This was something the E-D blueprints got very right... Those, and many fan prints for TOS-era ships, too. But not all of them.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
I uploaded some vidcaps and links of the Enterprise-A shuttlebay, on my Cut-a-way model project site. I haven't seen this stuff anywhere else, it shows the set and studio model pretty well.



 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Hmm... Seems to be more of a garage or service area behing those doors rather than the giganto-cargo area.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
Yup, the Enterprise-A shuttle bay is a little different from the TMP shuttle bay. Those two big doors go to elevators, with a turbo-lift between them. Follow the link to my web page (above) to see it better. One could argue that the shuttle bay wasn't completed when the V'Ger emergancy came up, for easy cargo bay access.
 

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Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
 
I still see the same bay. Those doors, if similar to the TMP area would lead to large shuttle elevators labeled E-1 and E-2. Beyond those doors in the above photo would then lead to the large cargobay complex.

Does Shuttle 5 in the above pic have the landing skids or am I just (not) seeing things???
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 

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Originally posted by SoundEffect:
Does Shuttle 5 in the above pic have the landing skids or am I just (not) seeing things???

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You mean the warp nacelles? They were torn off when it crashed into the shuttlebay, IIRC.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
My bad, your right. I put that there so that I could access it at work, as well as at home, not so much for public access. When I get to work on the actual model, those pics will replace it. I will remove that as soon as I get home. My apologies.

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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
You mean the warp nacelles? They were torn off when it crashed into the shuttlebay, IIRC.

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Yeah, I know they were sheared off. I'm not sure when that screencap was from the movie. I thought it was when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy first arrived from Earth, but now that I think about it, they used the side hatch then and the screencap shows the aft hatch down. Oops.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
OOP, I'm sorry, I did remove it.. but I removed the wrong one. My bad. That IS a very nice and useful image tho.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
This one is from their first shuttle-trip up to the ship.



[ April 27, 2003, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: TheWoozle ]
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
any thoughts about my interpretations of the hatches on this studio model pic?
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
I got no problems with it. Makes sense to me for those "holes" to be for umbilical connections, as well as the to "rectangular doors" to lead to maintenance/cargo areas.

I'm still sort of torn about the "life boat" hatches, tho. I didn't get to that part of the movie this evening, but I seem to recall that we see the "room" where Kirk, Ilia, Decker, Spock and McCoy go up to the upper hull of Enterprise in ST:TMP. There's nothing there which would indicate that it's a "way-point" for life boats to go thru before ejection.

Of course, there's also nothing to say that there are only a few of those "docking" hatches like they use in ST:TMP and that the rest are indeed for life boats. I sort of envision an area where four - or maybe more - life boats line up in a sort of "plus sign" and then are moved into the "hatch area" before being ejected from the ship. Does that make sense?
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
I wouldn't want to evacuate that ship in a hurry. On the ERTL model, there are several small square hatches that would include the 'inspection hatch' seen in TMP (HERE), and there are also a series of larger squares, for hatches, all around the circumferance of the main hull, which would only really make sense as life boats.
 

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Posted by thelastguardian (Member # 1017) on :
 

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Originally posted by MrNeutron:
--There ARE two decks at the outer rim of the saucer, the lower of which is deck 7
--The dorsal appears to have one extra deck that doesn't match Andy Probert's cutaway...but that "deck" isn't shown flashing in this sequence
--The aft third of the torpedo deck is in the "dark color" that seems to indicate an unihabited area
--The layout of the cargo deck and hangar deck conform to Andy's cutaway, except that the bay isn't as tall as it in shown in the film...I presume because this animation was done before the cargo bay matte was designed
--If one takes this as accurate, the ship has 21 decks total

Although this animation was shown in TWOK, it was actually made for TMP, and appears in one of the TV spots for the film.

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Originally posted by Griffworks:
I got no problems with it. Makes sense to me for those "holes" to be for umbilical connections, as well as the to "rectangular doors" to lead to maintenance/cargo areas.

I'm still sort of torn about the "life boat" hatches, tho. I didn't get to that part of the movie this evening, but I seem to recall that we see the "room" where Kirk, Ilia, Decker, Spock and McCoy go up to the upper hull of Enterprise in ST:TMP. There's nothing there which would indicate that it's a "way-point" for life boats to go thru before ejection.

Of course, there's also nothing to say that there are only a few of those "docking" hatches like they use in ST:TMP and that the rest are indeed for life boats. I sort of envision an area where four - or maybe more - life boats line up in a sort of "plus sign" and then are moved into the "hatch area" before being ejected from the ship. Does that make sense?

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That's really the only way it could work. If the majority of square hatches on the upper surface of the primary hull are indeed lifeboat hatches (and that makes good sense), the boats themselves would have to be stacked or arranged in rows in order for the crew to abandon ship in rapid fashion. It's interesting that there are no secondary hull lifeboat hatch markings at all, despite the fact that we know there are lifeboats there.

Shane
 

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Posted by thelastguardian (Member # 1017) on :
 
The TMP and STV Enterprise hangar bays differ because Shatner wanted something closer to the bay seen in TOS, as opposed to the concept seen in the first film. The two are quite different, even in little ways.

I doubt the STV version of the ship would have the extended cargo deck seen in TMP, since there is no ease of access to the hangar aft. We know there is a landing control room high on the bay's forward wall, and any space above that is too restrictive to allow practical cargo flow, given a door up there. I believe there are two doors on the forward wall, but these still would seem too restrictive for cargo flow on the level we saw in TMP.

Shane

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
Perhaps this is why the "doors" - those symbols/outlines - were added to the SFX model's underside secondary hull starting in ST:V? They're very much like those on the TOS version of the filming miniature. Perhaps they're meant to represent hatches for supply/replenishment, as we have on the later ships such as the E-D.

Just a thought there, and not an original one, I'm afraid.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
LastGuardian, what do you think of my theory, that the shuttle bay and cargo deck, as seen in the beginning of ST:TMP was unfinished, to facilitate outfitting and the shuttle bay, as seen in ST: V was the finished shuttle bay? I know that there is no cannon support for this, but it does make sense.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Doesn't look like there are many turbolifts going near The Rec Deck.
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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Doesn't look like there are many turbolifts going near The Rec Deck.

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I dunno...according to this...



...one curved horizontal shaft might go right through the room!
 

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Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
 
You know I suddenly got a brainstorm on why the numbers were so screwed up during the turboshaft scene in ST:5. Perhaps the Enterprise was docked to some starbase at the time, and it was such an extended time at dock that they decided to post the starbase's equivalent deck numbers and not the Enterprise's. -- It seems odd to me, but if the Enterprise was docked for a long enough time it might be helpful to the work crews, and they would have changed it back to the real deck numbers when they were done [which they weren't during them movie].
 

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
I postulated that a looooong time ago -- was shot down, too. I actually said that in order to get the ship out of dock, Scotty filched some of Spacedock's spare turboshaft segments.

--Jonah
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Doesn't look like there are many turbolifts going near The Rec Deck.

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I dunno...according to this...



...one curved horizontal shaft might go right through the room!

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ahhh yes - I'm forgetting the scale of the Connie-class... that curve could go along the wall where the screen is (i.e. behind the wall) and the two 'prongs' could be near each door - like the one the senior staff enter through.

Andrew
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
But the order of the decks is reversed... and it goes up to like 80 something doesn't it?

So a space-dock has decks the height of level 7 and a half from "Being John Malkovich"!?!

My theory is that from Cestus III onwards they were all under some Vulcan-mind-meld-induced dream-state.

Hence Uhura's feelings for Scotty coming out!
 

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Posted by thelastguardian (Member # 1017) on :
 
One follow-up point on the Enterprise lifeboats...

As far as I know, the only graphic representation of them done prior to MSG was on the ST:TMP cutaway poster, which was what I used in determining their size, shape, and general coloration and markings (red with yellow stripes).

Given the secondary hull's 12' deck height and the stacked arrangement the poster shows, I determined each boat to be 5 X 5 X 5 feet.

Shane
 

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Posted by thelastguardian (Member # 1017) on :
 
One other thing --

I believe the intent of the filmmakers was that the entire primary hull was to serve as a lifeboat, in case of emergency. Hull separation was designed into the TMP Enterprise, almost from the word 'go.' Plan A was to evacuate the secondary hull for the primary. Those few who could not make it in time would go to Plan B, use the individual lifeboats, then would be brought aboard (or beamed aboard) the primary hull.

That appears to have been the thinking, resulting in the dearth of lifeboat hatches aboard ship. Good thing there are no icebergs out there...

Shane
 

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
 

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One other thing --

I believe the intent of the filmmakers was that the entire primary hull was to serve as a lifeboat, in case of emergency.

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I dunno if it was the intention of the filmmakers per se, but it sure was the intention of Andy Probert. He wrote two suggested endings for TMP that included saucer separations (drawings from one appear in The Art of Star Trek). I got to read one of them.

An interesting detail about the saucer sep...the banner that appears along the sides of the secondary hull were decals created to go at the separation line. That's why the ship's name is there in small print, as it was intended to be above the separation line. Andy said that Doug Trumbull put the decals where we know them today.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Shane... I just noticed your member number is the registry of the Constellation!!
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 

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One other thing --

I believe the intent of the filmmakers was that the entire primary hull was to serve as a lifeboat, in case of emergency. Hull separation was designed into the TMP Enterprise, almost from the word 'go.' Plan A was to evacuate the secondary hull for the primary. Those few who could not make it in time would go to Plan B, use the individual lifeboats, then would be brought aboard (or beamed aboard) the primary hull.

That appears to have been the thinking, resulting in the dearth of lifeboat hatches aboard ship. Good thing there are no icebergs out there...

Shane

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I'm not sure if Matt Jeffries had postulated it waaaaay back in TOS days, but the "Franz Joseph Designs" TOS Blueprint set gives us info about the primary hull being separable from the secondary hull at the connecting dorsal. I believe some sort of fan-produced material also "speculates" that the "triangles" we see on the underside of the primary hull are meant to be "landing legs" in the event of a "soft landing" on a planetary body, but you never know, since it's conjectural, at best.
 

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Posted by thelastguardian (Member # 1017) on :
 
If I remember correctly, in 'The Apple,' Kirk told Scotty to separate the hulls, if necessary, to save the ship. I'd have to go back and check to see if 'The Making of Star Trek' makes mention of the option, but I would imagine it does.

Shane
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
You are correct about both sources, Shane. There was also a second TOS ep that made mention of it. Can't remember which one, though. "The Savage Curtain," maybe?

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
I believe that "The Squire of Gotho's" might mention that, as well. However, it actually might be where it's mentioned to jettison the nacelles...?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I think "The Apple" Kirk tells Scotty to Jettison the nacelles if necessary.
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
Shane, you mentioned that MSG was trimmed by 20-something pages, by the publishers. Any chance of finding out what tidbits where cut?
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
Yeah, I've been hoping for a response to that very question I asked in another thread, "Woozle". Great minds think alike!
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
Careful, we don't want to have him cowering in a corner to soon, heh heh.
 

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Posted by goose814 (Member # 1023) on :
 
This is my first time here and I would like to add a few things. A must have source of reference are the "Starlog Photo Guidebooks: Special Effects, Vol. 2 & Vol. 5"

Vol.2 has a short article at the end about the Enterprise designed for ST:TMP. It contains numerous preproduction drawings as well as a cross-section of the secondary hull by Andy Probert showing 5 decks in the dorsal & 7 decks in the hull with what looks like room for an additional deck under the botanical garden.

Vol.5 contains a long article written by Andy himself. He descibes his designs for ST:TMP and for ST:TNG. It also contains many preproduction sketches & drawings. Several of which I've never seen anywhere else.
One illustration shows Andy's version of what the Rec Room could have looked to fit the contours of the saucer & its concave lower section. I tend to like this version better than the filmed one.
Another drawing shows a side view of the saucer, dorsal, & part of the secondary hull. Two interesting things about this is that, one, it depicts the ship prior to having the self-illuminating lights designed into it, and two, he shows the primary hull divided into 8 decks.(Bridge, VIP housing, 2 decks in the upward slope, 2 decks in the rim, & 2 decks in the downward slope).
One other interesting item is about the lifeboats for the Refit Enterprise In the text he describes his designs for the Enterprise-D. He states ..."I added a series of visible lifeboat covers (as opposed to graphic markings on the movie Enterprise} to the ship which alluded to the ship's capacity of 3,500."...
Thus the hatches along the outer edge are the personnel hatches & the numerous ones just in from those are the lifeboat covers he alludes to.

One last item is the cargo deck/shuttle bay. In the book "The Art of Star Trek" on pages 166 & 167 are two photos/matte paintings of these areas. Just forward of the elevators and above the lower cargo pod alcoves is a large rectangular opening. If you look to either side of this you can see what appears to be segmented door sections, and along the lower edge what looks like door tracks. This, it seems, would allow the cargo deck to be isolated from the shuttle bay.

I hope this wasn't to long winded. Just my two cents worth based on some of my research. Hope it helps.
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 
Welcome "goose814". Thanks for the info on the "Starlog" issues. I need to write this issue numbers down and add them to the list of info I want to have in my reference library!
 

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
 
i want to thank "Griffworks" for showing me how funny it is when you put another members name in quotations, because i imagine you doing the "finger quotations" thing when you are talking.. i really "appreciate" it..

any chance of anyone gettin' scans of this for us?
 

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Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
 
heh, you should see him at star trek cons, trying to do finger excersizes while meeting people.
 

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Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
 

 

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Posted by thelastguardian (Member # 1017) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheWoozle:
Shane, you mentioned that MSG was trimmed by 20-something pages, by the publishers. Any chance of finding out what tidbits where cut?

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Originally posted by thelastguardian:
As I recall, among the items cut were some TMP uniforms, the thruster suit, the TMP wrist communicator and tricorder, a complete set of fold-out deck plans (I was about halfway done with those), Decks 1-3 exterior elevations, an officer's lounge elevation, a turbolift interior display diagram, a main engineering elevation, and hangar bay elevation and plan views.

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Originally posted by Harry:
OOBER as in the German word �ber, which means something like THE BEST in this context.

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