I've just received my Season 2 box set. Any wishes/requests?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Until I can afford it, I can't go on living unless I could get:
Caps of Natima Lang's (Cardassian) shuttle...
Any possible caps of the Hideki and Runabout, from "Tribunal", if they are in the same vfx shot.
Creative Odyssey caps...
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Runabouts and Maquis ships
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Was there a scale shot with the Maquis fighter(s) and a runabout in the same shot?
How about some of the shots from "Sanctuary" -- the refugee fleet?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The Refugee fleet is 3 Promellian Battlecruisers painted green with no modifications. Those Paramount gys surecan squeeze every possible use out of a model. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I know what the ships ARE... ...but I've never seen good screenshots of them. That's all.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Agreed! A nice screenshot(s) of the Skreean ship docked at the upperpylon plus there's a few other types floating about the place.
The Bajoran impulse ships at work from "The Seige"
The Battle from "The Maquis"
As much as we can of the Erewhon Class Santa Maria from "Paradise"
The Shot from "Second Sight" of out of the upper pylon.
Sisko's screen from "Whispers". With all the Starships on it.
The Ship that turns up and arrests O'Brien in "Tribunal".
And what was "Playing God" about again - all I remember is Dax in a towel!
Oh yes, and Dax in a towel from "Playing God". Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I've uploaded screenshots from "Armageddon Game", "The Jem'Hadar", and from the special features part:
AndrewR, did you miss the topic with the Whispers-screenshots?
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I have a request, Spike. Can you do a scan of the Rio Grande's display which shows the registry of the U.S.S. Mekong in "Whispers"? Thanks.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Oh yes, and Dax in a towel from "Playing God".
I second that... Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Nice work, Spike!
Anyone with more experience manage to do some calculations on the size of the Jem'Hadar fighter with respect to the Odyssey just before the collision? Since the Galaxy-class starship is the only ship that we really have a definitive size figure for, that should give us the most authoritative measurement of the Jemmie fighter.
(I notice that many of the sketches from the features are the same ones printed in the "Making of DS9" book that came out about 9 years ago... )
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Unfortunately most computer displays are illegible, but maybe we could hire someone to pilfer Mike Okuda's PC. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Until I can afford it, I can't go on living unless I could get:
Caps of Natima Lang's (Cardassian) shuttle...
Any possible caps of the Hideki and Runabout, from "Tribunal", if they are in the same vfx shot.
quote:Hideki-class Scout. A small, warp-capable ship used for patrolling, reconnaissance and scientific missions. It was first seen in DS9's "Second Sight". Photos are courtesy of Mark Dickson.
Certainly not first seen in "Second Sight"....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: AndrewR, did you miss the topic with the Whispers-screenshots?
Oh - no - sorry yeah I saw that... that was a bit ago though wasn't it? Sorry, I didn't know if that was from DVD or not.
It appears to be a Paint Can Lid class starship. Cool!
Heh. Seriously - if it is - what is it sitting on? It can't be the top of the pylon - to small and it'd be off-centre. And there appears to be a nacelle behind it - (our left).
It looks like the Stargazer model and it may have been used as a placeholder for lighting of a bluescreened Nebula or other ship with a model to large to just slap on there.
....or this is the elusive Loch Ness class: a ship only vaguely seen with no definitive evidence of it's existance.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Phlox: It appears to be a Paint Can Lid class starship. Cool!
Heh. Seriously - if it is - what is it sitting on? It can't be the top of the pylon - to small and it'd be off-centre. And there appears to be a nacelle behind it - (our left).
Andrew
It looks to me like a plastic lid resting on top of the docking ring, but it'd be nice if it were a ship.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Just made an interesting observation. The design for the first human warpship from the Chronology is canon. It appeared on a wall chart in Keiko's class room.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It's probably one of the multitude of foamcore ships they used for motion control shots.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
My money's on a foamcore Galaxy.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Tell it to Stephen Hawking. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: Just made an interesting observation. The design for the first human warpship from the Chronology is canon. It appeared on a wall chart in Keiko's class room.
I thought we already knew that they'd used that picture -- IIRC a Sternbach painting for the Chronology originally -- in the school room, along with other stuff like the Starfleet Command map of all the planets visited by the Enterprise during Kirk's five-year mission...
And anyway, couldn't we say that the ship itself is now canon, but it's just not the first warp ship any more? Maybe it's the second... Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Or maybe it's an upgrade that Cochrane did after the first flight or something. It's really not that much different from the final Phoenix design. In fact, the movie design was loosely based upon Jein's original model.
And, yes, it's not new info that it appeared in the schoolroom on DS9. The Encyclopedia mentions that.
-MMoM Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:it's not new info that it appeared in the schoolroom on DS9. The Encyclopedia mentions that.
Hmm, haven't noticed this before. Anyway, the Encyclopedia just mentions the model, not the wall chart. Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike:
quote:it's not new info that it appeared in the schoolroom on DS9. The Encyclopedia mentions that.
Hmm, haven't noticed this before. Anyway, the Encyclopedia just mentions the model, not the wall chart.
It appears to be on an Enterprise display. Is it called Enterprise?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
That's not an Enterprise display, since the Excelsior isn't the customized version.
Then again, it isn't a Phoenix display, either, since the Nebula class Phoenix is missing.
Since none of the starships on that display is uniquely identifiable (the Phoenix study model is unique, but it is not identifiable!), this ship lineage could be themed after just about any arbitrary name we choose. Perhaps all these ships were named Invincible?
Or then the ships exemplify Starfleet warp engine development, and it's just a coincidence that a Galaxy and not a Nebula is showcasing the latest model, and a Constitution and not a Miranda sports the LN-64.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: That's not an Enterprise display, since the Excelsior isn't the customized version.
This is a chart done by Keiko - perhaps she isn't as aware of different Excelsior Sub-Classes as we are. Perhaps she just asked the computer for a Connie, a Connie refit/Enterprise, Excelsior, Ambassador and Galaxy.
Although it could be the Challenger lineup - we have a Challenger NCC-2032 (which sounds Excelsior Class) and a Galaxy Class Challenger NCC-71099. It just seems more likely to show the lineage of the flagship.
(P.S. How can you tell? What are the differences?)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
What the heck is above the Galaxy and Ambassador on the wall chart?
As to the second Warp ship from the Chronolgy, That might be the production version Cochrane built ...the one with landing gear. Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: What the heck is above the Galaxy and Ambassador on the wall chart?
That's the first human warp ship from the ST Chronology.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The Enterprise-B variant is easy to identify from top view, since the additional boxes (engines/shuttlebays/whatever) on the saucer are so prominent.
The Challenger line-up sounds like a good idea - "Challenger" would be a fitting name indeed for mankind's second warp experiment, after the Phoenix! The only minus is that the chart in that case just yells for USS Challenger of Challenger class...
If we want to start from the list of known Constitution class ships, and then assume that they had successors in all the same classes as the Enterprise did, then the following options are available:
Constitution (a bit dubious, since the name was used as a class name once, and would confuse people if reused) Defiant (the Defiant class wouldn't yet be present on that chart) Essex Exeter (the ship mentioned in 2374 would then be a Galaxy and not the supposed alt-universe Ambassador) Excalibur Kongo Potemkin (again, the ship from 2374 would be the Galaxy, not the Excelsior) Republic (although if an "old" vessel still serves the Academy in 2375, then the existence of a Galaxy is dubious) Yorktown
The other Constitution names have been applied to ship classes not in that line-up. And the Enterprise herself has another strike going against her: she has a verified NX-class incarnation!
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
So, where does the modelpic come from? Okuda�s or Sternbach�s desk? And from which Dvd?
Also, the saucer to the right of little Sisko, what is that?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
It's from Okuda's desk and comes from one of the hidden Season 2 features.
That's a Miranda-class model.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I think these 5 top views are meant to represent the different Enterprises. Even the display aboard the E-D is incorrect, so I don't have a problem with an incorrect depiction of the E-B.
The diagram was first seen in the Season 1 episode when Vedek Winn rails against Keiko's blasphemous teachings to the Bajoran children.
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
If it is an Enterprise display, it is clearly an "all ships called Enterprise" chart, which would need to have NX-01 on it. Also, the Challenger Class is entirely conjectural, unless I'm very much mistaken, and can be ignored at will.
Perhaps Keiko once served on a Challenger?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix: If it is an Enterprise display, it is clearly an "all ships called Enterprise" chart, which would need to have NX-01 on it.
Unless it's an "all Federation Starfleet ships called Enterprise" display.
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike:
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix: If it is an Enterprise display, it is clearly an "all ships called Enterprise" chart, which would need to have NX-01 on it.
Unless it's an "all Federation Starfleet ships called Enterprise" display.
But it has the FHWS one...
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
But that's not in a row with the other ships.
Besides, who says that all the things on the chart have to be connected? Maybe it covers 3 different topics: milky way early human warp vessel ships named Enterprise
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: But that's not in a row with the other ships.
Besides, who says that all the things on the chart have to be connected? Maybe it covers 3 different topics: milky way early human warp vessel ships named Enterprise
I'll be proven right when TPTB decide to throw continuity out the window and make NX-01 the first UFP Starfleet ship.
Just you wait and see. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Why does this matter?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Why does this matter?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: But that's not in a row with the other ships.
Besides, who says that all the things on the chart have to be connected? Maybe it covers 3 different topics: milky way early human warp vessel ships named Enterprise
Major advances in Starship Design Major Advances in Warp Drive Starships to use in your period specfic writing assignments Things to make Flarites nuts with specualtion Background scenes not intended for close scrutiny
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Why does this matter?
Why does anything on this board "matter"? If you aren't interested in this conversation, then ignore it.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Background scenes not intended for close scrutiny
That's never stopped us before. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'd say it's ships that were Enterprise - remember no Generations at that time. Or if you want to put it into 'real' terms - maybe the E-B was refitted (or all Excelsiors could be refitted back and forth) between the two types. (Depending on mission etc.)
What is that behind the little girl!?! A Gallamite!?! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OOOOhhh Jazia screen/makeup tests!!
Yeah - I don't think the original Trill make up would have worked... just sorta looks a bit 'dirty'.
And NOOOOOO BUN HAIR!! Thank-God she went back to the pony tail!!
Bun hair = no no.
Troi Janeway Ensign Wildman
Very old-looking.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
It could just be "Important Ships". An early warp craft, Kirk's famous Enterprise, Kirk's... other famous Enterprise, Excelsior - The Great Experiment, Enterprise -C - destroyed while saving a Klingon colony and paving the way for long lasting peace, and the current flagship belonging to Starfleet's most advanced ship class, the Enterprise-D.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Again, I dont think it necessarily needs to mean anything groundbreaking. Those ships simply represented the various classes of the Enterprises'at that time (in Star Trek production history). They represent those ships in the same capacity as the "models" in the conference room of the Ent-D.
Obviously they represent a historic lineage, judging by the sequencial registry, and thus serve a 'certain' importance in the Earth/Star Fleet/Federation history, much as the 'warp ship' and so forth does.
Based on known facts, ca. 1993, this is really the most plausable and obvious explaination to this 'display'. This coincides well with the 'current' (as in 1993=current) 'facts' posed in the first generation of ST:Encyclopedia and ST:Chronology, which these models were all originally represented in.
This makes the most sense both in retrospect and probably in ca. 1993; it's just unfortunate that all of the later representations of these ships in "Generations", "First Contact" and "Enterprise" contradict the display in question.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe it's a school project. Someone has to do an essay on Quadrants in the Milky-way. Someone does something on the differences between the Refit 1701 and the 1701-A
Someone on "Transwarp, the great experiment or just a new class of starship"
Someone on "Ambassador Class, where are you?
And one on: "Donald Varley: Competent Captain or reckless moron?"
Andrew
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I'm wondering...why is Mike Okuda keeping a bottle of Holy Water on his desk? And what are those two starships are on his desk?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Y'know, Spikey...I still haven't seen a lot of screencaps from Season One that I want to see. Particularly the Wolf 359 shots in "Emissary." Have you already done these and I just missed them, or what?
-MMoM Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Actually I had planned on doing them, but the damn thing literally got lost in the mail...so thats my story on Season 1...
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Ouch... I guess someone ended up with DS9 Season One while expecting something else in the mail. Lucky them.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
...and the STIV: Special Ed. DVD as well Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I just bought DS9 1 and 2 for 'only' �140.
I don't understand those annoying Hidden Files. Why can't they just name the damn things in the menu?
So uhm... if anyone urgently needs more screenshots, I can help out too.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Wolf 359 shots!!!!
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
*raised eyebrow* Did I miss something? What shots of Wolf 359 did we see in season 2?
--Jonah
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: *raised eyebrow* Did I miss something? What shots of Wolf 359 did we see in season 2?
--Jonah
quote:Originally posted by Harry: I just bought DS9 1 and 2 for 'only' �140.
I don't understand those annoying Hidden Files. Why can't they just name the damn things in the menu?
So uhm... if anyone urgently needs more screenshots, I can help out too.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Do the hidden files in season 1 hold the Wolf 359 battle shots?
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
If you're talking about backstage stuff, there's only a short section on the scene with comments like "this was a big scene to do for a pilot, we had to do this and the station and runabouts, ect. We wanted to do it in BobW but couldn't afford it, etc", no new info.
The only photos and on set film I remember were of the Saratoga pod being shot and annoyingly a blurry and grainy picture on a monitor of the Saratoga being shot.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: *raised eyebrow* Did I miss something? What shots of Wolf 359 did we see in season 2?
--Jonah
Look a few posts up. Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Yeah. Got it. Sorry. So I occasionally skim posts... *heh*
--Jonah
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
but werent there more scenes in "Yesterday's Melbourne" when the Melbourne came forward in time and it was necessary to send the new and old Melbournes back to the battle at Wolf 359 to stop the assimilation of the Federation so we wouldnt have to see Riker's god awful civil-war stock wig beard?
or did they just use stock footage from "Unification"?
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...but I've never seen good screenshots of them. That's all.
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