-The other Enterprise has upgraded weapons - white beams. Seems to have repaired most or all of the damage from "Azati Prime", while the "present day" ship is still messed up.
-Interior shots seem to be all of the other ship. No indication of the interior of the present day ship still being messed up. However, it's been less than three days relative time, so who knows how much of the mess we're supposed to see.
-Note the changes to the other Pre-E. Support braces here and there, additional displays and panels, and a warmer lighting palette. Suitable for a family ship, I guess.
Mark
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Where the heck are they getting all those braces and patches from?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I wonder why Karyn Archer is half-alien.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Well, they wouldn't want to go towards any Human colonies or anywhere dangerous in the 100+ years they were waiting for Enterprise to show up but they would still have to replenish supplies so one of Archer's descendents must have gotten some action on a supply run to an alien planet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Look like any aliens seen over the past season?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Hmmpf. One ridge on the forehead. Not exactly unique. Napean? Bajoran?
And is it me, or are Lorian's ears HUGE!?
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
I don't think they ever named the species in the episode though.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The one's that forbade Archer and co to land on the planet that they were drawn to?
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Yep.
They had the big Mimbari looking ships that zoomed by with a whoosh like Star Wars fighters.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Spoilers$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Now we know the name of the NX-02...the Columbia.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah...nice bit o' name dropping, that. Just think: by the end of next season, we could see a randevous with Columbia!
You know Starfleet'd be working around the clock to complete ot refit any possible starships with the threat of the Xindi hanging over them.
Must be a scary time for the populace of Earth: possibly leading to the first big initial push toward colonization of other systems.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hot damn! I've read advance leaks that this was the case, but I wasn't going to believe them until someone would mention it here.
A fitting tribute, accurate in more ways than one - Columbia was the first "production" space shuttle after the "Enterprise" test flight article. And of course, in honor or last year's tragedy... But finally, and perhaps most importantly, fan desires for the name of NX-02 have ACTUALLY PANNED OUT. Nice.
So does this mean that NX-03 will be Challenger? Followed by Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavor? There are at least three more NX-class ships which will need names...
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I'd be surprised if an NX bears the name Buran. And it wouldn't be Endeavor, it would be Endeavour.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Karyn Archer is part alien because Archer (her great-grandfather) married an Ikaran (ph) whom Enterprise rescued.
Does anyone else think it seems strange that the ship's sensors and star charts are so excellent that Mayweather can detect 117 years of (reverse) stellar drift within a matter of seconds?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah - Columbia I initially way-back-when wanted it for the links to the Columbia being the next Shuttle after Enterprise... but after last year's tragedy - it is even more fitting.
I agree the NX-03 should be Challenger, NX-04 -> 07 Discovery, Atlantis, Endeavour and Buran
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Do stars drift that much in 117 years? Isn't that like 5 seconds in interstellar time?
And hey...no tech review of this ep yet?! It's been like 8 hrs since it first aired EST!
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
I noticed that they mentioned the stoled Primary Warp Core, which went down from 'that last torpedo hit'.
They showed old-T'Pol surfing a long list of schematics, for a bit of alien technolgy, to 'filter' the Impulse Engines. I wonder how much of that database got transfered..
They actually used the Transporter to steal important elements of the other ship.
Now, they have an Emergancy speed of about warp 5.6, with a rising chance of explosion, past that.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
warp 5.6 cool.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
- The old NX-01 is in a bad shape, after 119 years in the Expanse. There are some new greebles on the outside. Most notably two pods under the catamarans, and antennae sticking out of the 'pod'.
- She's equipped with a proper tractor beam. Old NX-01 still has the same armament, though.
- The interior is also different. Signs and computer displays are bilingual (English/Vulcan).
- The make-shift crew is comprised of several different species. I think I saw some of last week's Ilyrians (sp?).
- The tech is not as bad as last week, but Tucker still mentions a "primary drive coil", that disables their port engine. At least this might be a proper coil.
- The 'subspace corridor' is not the same as the vortices the Xindi use. It's similar to a wormhole, I guess.
- Archer beams two EPS manifolds directly out of the other Enterprise to disable their main power.
- That Xindi ship looked somewhat like a Star Wars stormtrooper speeder. I can't remember seeing that design before.
- Screenshots Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Awesome screenshots. The nebula shots finally give us a good view of the damage inflicted on Enterprise... Comparing to pics of previous episodes, it doesn't look like it's changed too much since "Damage", though the brighter lighting in the nebula makes it look less severe.
Mark
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
-- The NX-01^2 (the older one) had some extra weaponry as well. Most notable was some sort of bluish particle beam that was mounted on the dorsal saucer.
-- Mayweather got a scene this week! He got to chat with Hoshi, and it turns out that in the alternate future, he was going to marry Corporal McKenzie, a MACO. (Wasn't she the cute one we saw in decon in "Anomaly"?)
-- Those plasma injectors that were stolen make sense as a critical part of the warp drive, though I would've thought that they'd be part of the warp core itself rather than off to the side in Engineering.
-- A very inventive use of the transporter in combat! Of course it's only possible because neither ship had deflector shields. (Hmm... I'm surprised that shields weren't on the past-NX-01's shopping list! I suppose it's just a plot contrivance.)
-- Granted, the present-NX-01 stole two relays (not just one), but it seems really, really convenient that the entire ship would lose power after just those two EPS relays were stolen. On a ship that big and that complex, wouldn't they be able to bypass their power somehow?
-- I'm assuming that the speeder-bike-type ship we saw in the teaser was a Humanoid-specific design. After all, the Xindi ships we've been seeing the most of so far have been the Reptilian and Insectoid designs. This new one is probably the "standard" design for another species, most likely the Humanoids since Degra was heading back there -- but also possibly an Arboreal design instead.
-- Someone was miscalculating the warp factors again! They were planning on making the rendezvous with Degra, about 12 LY away, within 3 days. But at their new maximum speed of Warp 5.6, traveling 12 LY should have taken about 25 days instead. (They'd need to travel at WF 11.3 to cross 12 LY in only 3 days...)
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Awesome screenshots. The nebula shots finally give us a good view of the damage inflicted on Enterprise... Comparing to pics of previous episodes, it doesn't look like it's changed too much since "Damage", though the brighter lighting in the nebula makes it look less severe.
Mark
Also note the damage from last week's plasma coolant accident.
quote:-- The NX-01^2 (the older one) had some extra weaponry as well. Most notable was some sort of bluish particle beam that was mounted on the dorsal saucer.
Strange, since Reed said that they had the exact same armament. Of course, he could've mislabeled some of the NX-012 greeblies.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I'd like to think that as a navigator, Mayweather has a pretty good sense of the stars. Although how he could have picked out stellar drift in a region of space he's never been in before is a little iffy...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm a little curious about the warp speeds they've been able to achieve. Following the attack, their warp drive wasn't working thanks to a busted coil. They steal one in "Damage" that'll give them warp 3, and now stealing some tech from the other Enterprise they can manage 5.6? I'm wondering how the technical stuff works here. Isn't the other Enterprise a big temporal paradox? Did they try to explain how they can keep stuff from an alternate timeline, which in the large picture actually HELPS Starfleet by allowing its fastest ship to go even faster?
Or are they just elaving it a la EMH holoemitter... I wont be able to see this episode for a while yet, so the temporal shnanigans in this one are driving me batty here.
Mark
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
At the end, T'Pol and Archer explicitly mentioned that "maybe" the other Enterprise never even existed. And wondered, if so, why they remembered them. Basically, it was the writers telling us to ignore the paradoxes. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
They never actually got the NX-Old's warp gizmos though, did they? I don't think any of those plans were executed before Lorian went completely Archer and tried stealing stuff from the NX-Now.
The whole 'stellar drift' was a bit dinky. How did they know they were at the right coordinates? A position is always relative to something else. OTOH, they probably somehow know exactly where they are in relation to the galactic center. But their sensor probably need to be pretty accurate to calculate such coordinates..
Posted by RoboCaptainMike47 (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: -- Someone was miscalculating the warp factors again! They were planning on making the rendezvous with Degra, about 12 LY away, within 3 days. But at their new maximum speed of Warp 5.6, traveling 12 LY should have taken about 25 days instead. (They'd need to travel at WF 11.3 to cross 12 LY in only 3 days...)
there was a warp highway
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Perhaps the subspace corridor isolated the ship from the changes in the timeline like the temporal wake from the Borg sphere did for the NCC-1701-E in First Contact?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND MAN!
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
In "Cease Fire"[ENT2], the Enterprise demonstrated the ability to achieve a speed of 1460c. With her injectors running at 110% (though, as stated, they are rated to withstand 120%), she was able to reach Weytahn, "a dozen light-years" from her original position, in three days.
Given the present low speed of the ship, plus time to refit based on the NX-Gen ship specs, the three day trip at greater-than-five works pretty well, actually, at least going by the "Cease Fire" example.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Do stars drift that much in 117 years? Isn't that like 5 seconds in interstellar time?
If there was a nova in the immeadeate area, yeah. Otherwise...probably not much (although Mayweather's nav-computer would've registered any diffrences, I'm sure).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Enterprise, that is, the real one, shoots from all over the place now.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Karyn Archer is part alien because Archer (her great-grandfather) married an Ikaran (ph) whom Enterprise rescued.
Ikaaran. Her name was Esilia. And the species that attacked them in the nebula was the Kovaalans. Just for the sake of clarification for those keeping track of alien races. Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Also note the damage from last week's plasma coolant accident.
Um... what damage from last week's? On this screen this area looks completely untouched.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
AH. I see now. I thought that black scar was it, but that was obviously already there.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Karyn Archer is part alien because Archer (her great-grandfather) married an Ikaran (ph) whom Enterprise rescued.
Ikaaran. Her name was Esilia. And the species that attacked them in the nebula was the Kovaalans. Just for the sake of clarification for those keeping track of alien races.
Geee, I hope John remembers to rescue her now. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I beg your pardon? Esilia lived a century in the past. And she was either rescued by another ship or perished in the anomaly field.
Unless of course you want to take into account the Many Worlds Hypothesis (smart but often difficult thing to do) in which case she was still rescued by the NX-01.
And another ship.
And perished.
-MMoM Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Is the Enterprise fireing from the "Superchargers"?
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Yes. I am slowly but surely working on a timeline/catalog of her weapons and where they emerge from . . . I haven't seen the supercharger cannons before, though that might be the origin point for some other mystery shots seen on other occasions.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
IIRC, the original shipboard pulse cannons (way back in "Broken Bow") also fired from roughly the same area. Perhaps they were (finally) upgraded to phase cannons.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: AH. I see now. I thought that black scar was it, but that was obviously already there.
If you compare those twocaps you'll notice that this scar changed shape
G2k, perhaps this thread will be useful to you. Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they completely without warp drive now? IIRC, they didn't get the upgrades from the other ship, and their coil/injector/alkwefokdsf... SOMETHING got busted in the attack. Notice that the port nacelle is not glowing in the last scene.
B.J.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Meh, I'm sure they'll fix that. They busted a "drive coil" this time around, but it might be a duct-tape kinda fix. As for the "supercharger" phase cannons, I believe they were first seen in "Shockwave, Part II" when Enterprise was being swarmed by Suliban cell ships.
I've actually got a pet theory regarding the number of phase cannons... I think they actually DO have only three or four, but the cannons themselves are able to travel around the ship on rails. We've seen that the cannons aren't very large, and deploy from hatches on extending arms. What if the cannons are capable of moving around inside the ship to get from the bottom hatches we usually see them in, to the top ones? What if whatever goes into making the phase cannons is so complicated or expensive that it's more efficient to deploy them from various hatches rather than getting more of them?
I know this is reaching, but I'm inspired by what's been said of the never-seen robot arms Enterprise has, according to the designer. Said arms are on movable cradles (a la planned ISS modules) that can deploy from the top OR bottom doors we see on either side of the saucer. If they can do that with big robot arms...
Mark
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
The busted drive coil took down the impulse engine, leading me to think that they might be referring to the space-time drive coils mentioned in TNGTM. Too bad they missed the part about them being introduced over a hundred years later.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Of course, it's also possible there's just something in their impulse drive that's coil-shaped...
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