Hi! I was watching "What You Leave Behind" (DS9), and I have two questions. What ship did Adm. Ross using? was it the Bellerophon or was it another ship? I was trying to finger it out by looking at the computer display in the background. And the Defiant's dedicication plaque, it look like the Sao Paulo plaque but it looks like it said Defiant, so is this a new plaque, and if this is, what does it say?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
1. No ship is mentioned in dialogue. Anyone with the DVDs care to access the script? Anyway, the recent rear displays, while inconclusive, seem to indicate that he's standing in front of the Defiant engine room wall consoles - which makes sense, since they were not seen otherwise.
2. The Sau Paulo's dedication plaque is clearly seen in its premiere episode. If it's visible in "What You Leave Behind", they either kept the Sau Paulo plaque or replaced the original; either way, I really doubt they'd come up with an entirely new plaque that wouldn't be seen - by this point in the franchise they weren't paying as much attention. My guess is that they left it as Sau Paulo.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
According to the Titan Fleet Yards script database it doesn't seem to mention a specific ship. Just Martok on a Klingon ship and Ross on his ship.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I seem to remember the novelization actually did mention the name of Ross's ship as well as the Romulan flagship's name (Derid'thau) that wasn't mentioned in dialog.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I've seen that ships name somewhere.....
EDIT ...ah, it is mentioned in the PRONUNCIATION GUIDE of the script --> D'RIDTHAU (dih-RID-thow)
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
"Finger it out?" My slang is seriously out of date.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
According to the novelization, Ross was aboard the Farragut.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
It's entirely possible that the ded plaque aboard the the Sao Paulo read "Defiant", because, as you'll recall, they got special dispensation to rename the Sao Paulo, "Defiant". Sisko probably had a new plaque replicated at the same time he had a crew on the hull repainting the name and (unfortunately) the registry.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: According to the novelization, Ross was aboard the Farragut.
Farragut, eh? Must be a new one, given that the last Farragut was destroyed three years previous.
Mark
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Mark: Actually, two years...in 2373.
As to the Farragut issue, the novelizations shouldn't be considered canon, since the writer probably picked the name out of nowhere. Plus, it was never mentioned in the episode.
Also, where does everyone get the idea that the Bellerophon was Ross' ship? It seems to be a courier vessel that Ross simply took to Romulus. Since we didn't see any Intrepids during any battle, we can assume they were elsewhere (the real reason being, the producers didn't want to have cross-series ships).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Veers: Actually, three years. Farragut was destroyed in "Nor the Battle to the Strong", at the top of the 5th season. The DS9 finale was therefore almost three years later.
While Ross's ship name is hardly canon and should not be treated as such, it helps a lot more than "Ross's Ship". On the TABASCO project, I'd like to use that name with a clear mention that it was from a non-canon source.
Mark
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
In the Avatar novels, Ross used the Prometheus (or a Prometheus-class vessel, don't remember the details). That would be as canon as the Farragut. Even if the background of the shot was supposed to be a Defiant-class ship - where's the problem? Ross commands a Starbase, so why shouldn't he have a Defiant, too? And there were some additional Defiants in the fleet. To be precise, not in the actual footage of the episode, but we have seen other Defiants before in the fleets, which makes them at least more common than the Intrepid. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, just because Ross was standing on the *set* of the Defiant engine room doesn't mean that's what that wall was supposed to represent.
I like to assume Ross was on the Bellerophon simply because I want an Intrepid in the fleet, by golly.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: In the Avatar novels, Ross used the Prometheus (or a Prometheus-class vessel, don't remember the details).
The USS Cerebus (much as I hate that ship class) Makes sense: as Starfleet's fleet commander he'd need to get to where ever in a hurry and not get blown up in the process.
I prefer to think of his ship as a servicable second prototype rather than that ship having been commisioned so quickly. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Wouldn't one want to put the high-technology Prometheus class in the very thick of the fighting, a place one would want to keep admirals out of?
(Ross presumably being able to escape the dramatic and budgetary requirements which put Sisko on the Defiant.)
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Well, the (a?) Prometheus was around Earth when Voyager got back home. Its possible the ship was still doing... something at one of the fleet yards.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not sure who you're responding to, but: I'm not suggesting that the Prometheus should have been anywhere in particular. Just that, if it was out there on active duty, you would probably want to use it for missions that you wouldn't want an admiral on.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Oh, I dont know.....ideally a Fleet Admiral would need to be in a ship with multiple rescources available: room for his staff, great communications and it needs to be well defended (although escorts could handle that for the most part).
Mabye his use of the Cerebus was just for that occasion whee speed was of the utmost imporntance- as the Fed is far larger than usually represented in episodes- to get him where he needed to be fasy (in that case, he was running between empires to defuse the allied powers from invading the Gamma Quardrant after DS9 was attacked by rogue Jem Hadar).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I see this as the same reason he and the gang were shuttling to Romulus on the Bellerophon - a fast Intrepid-class ship. I can certainly see Ross using "the fastest ship in the fleet" to get around to critical places... But in the thick of battle, I'd put my Admiral on a ship outfitted more for command and control than combat.
Mark
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Oh, I dont know.....ideally a Fleet Admiral would need to be in a ship with multiple rescources available: room for his staff, great communications
... a gym, a cocktail bar on C deck...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
...any ship with the EMH version 2.0 would not be a ship worth using. It'd be too tempting to destroy the ship just to shut him up.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, there be no more EMH 2.0. There up to 4.x by now. Maybe 5.0 or EMH XP.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
(Wasn't Andy Dick supposed to be an "LMH," as introduced in that one DS9 episode?)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Andy was specifically mentioned as an EMH Mark II, so no. The LMH episode occurred before "Message in a Bottle". They were up to EMH Mark IV by the time of "Life Line".
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
(OK. But, I said that the LMH thing came before the Prometheus episode...)
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
(implied, perhaps)
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
(Well, depended upon, really, as my comment doesn't make much sense in the other direction.)
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