Number 12 looks interesting, would like to see a side view. It's surprising how much effort was put into the Aerowing without it ever being used.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
#12 looks like it would be good for a Vulcan ship.
I think originally they would have used the aerowing but it proved too expensive to figure out a good way to launch it or something. So they had to make some lame excuse like not all the parts or something being finished, even though they could build the Delta Flyer twice from scratch.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
What's with the large vertical vanes? What justification could those have had?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
IIRC, they were supposed to generate some sort of special shields...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The fins were "absoprtion shield emitters", which would have projected a fancy new FX sequence and be far better than traditional shields. This was rejected, of course, since TPTB didn't want any radical changes to how starships did things. But it was Rick's job to throw new and cool ideas out there, which would be pared down until they had something the producers liked.
Though personally, I'd have like if they'd gone with THIS, with the AWACS pod. Very Nebbie.
Mark
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Though personally, I'd have like if they'd gone with THIS, with the AWACS pod. Very Nebbie.
Mark
Actually, my brother and I sketched up some drawings based on that very design and he made a model of it:
It's one of his models I like best.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Holy crap: #12 is hideous in the extreme. Ravenstar Studios already made a fairly nice model version of the #9 design. I actually like that one a lot more than the version they used in the series.
Many thanks for those images FG! They'll go right into the "starship reference" files on my harddrive. Posted by Mr. Turnbull (Member # 1323) on :
thanks for the images.
for me THIS seems like she'd make a great light-cruiser.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Yes. Curious though, what made the producers turn around and ask for 'some changes' which actually resulted in an almost totally different ship? The only thing that survived was the basic shape and detailing of the saucer.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I find it interesting that moving parts were a must have since the initial concept thumbnails. And, as was already mentioned, that so much attention was put into the Aerowing from very early on. My guess would be that the designers of the ship rather than TPTB were responsible for that. That had the Ent. D's Captain's yacht as precedent.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Yes. Curious though, what made the producers turn around and ask for 'some changes' which actually resulted in an almost totally different ship? The only thing that survived was the basic shape and detailing of the saucer.
I thought the most popular theory amoung fans was that Jeri Taylor wanted the ship to me more curvey, because it had a female captain. No idea if that's true or not.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I also remember a story that this particular concept design was meant to be a rugged veteran of the Cardassian wars, whereas the new ship was a all shiny and curvy and pretty.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I think the whole ruggedness of early designs and the Cardassian War veteran thing might be a throwback to when Janeway was to be a male.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Man... I need to find a way to shorten URL's for my site. Something like starshipdatalink.net/art/voyager.html would be easier.
The USS Elkins NCC-74121 comes close using the Intrepid model an a F-14 model. Then there's the Intrepid/Maquis variant USS Yeager NCC-65674. Both poorly constructed compared to the NCC-73602 Voyager.
I noticed that the signage markings on the nacelles are different that normal.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Interestingly, NCC-73602 still puts it as too late a model to have been in the Cardie Wars. I think that's a good idea though.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Yes. Curious though, what made the producers turn around and ask for 'some changes' which actually resulted in an almost totally different ship? The only thing that survived was the basic shape and detailing of the saucer.
That may have been discussed in the video, I'll rewatch that and get back with you (all).
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I thought the most popular theory amoung fans was that Jeri Taylor wanted the ship to me more curvey, because it had a female captain. No idea if that's true or not.
Rick did mention that they wanted it more curvy but not why. This was referring to the model with the other registry.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That design looks far more formidable that Voyager's sissy little "stub-nacelles".
It represents the large scale of the ship better as well: Voyager never really seemed like something so much larger than the Connie Refit (though, it's supposed to have far more -if never shown- internal volume).
It just does not look as manuverable visually, and I think they were going for something that looked more like a sparrow than a hawk...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think it had to do with the change of the ship to being brand-new (I'd have prefered the "Cardassian war veteran" thing, but in hindsight a brand new ship as the UPN flagship show made more sense than a rusty old workhorse). I looked at "The Art of Star Trek" this morning, and it notes that the model Rick Sternbach built served to "send Richard James' team back to the drawing boards". I'm guessing that they took one look a the model, plain didn't like it, and asked for something new.
Interestingly, a current thread on TrekToday by Sternbach suggests that the producers didn't care all THAT much - as long as it had the requisite features (torpedo launchers, phasers, two nacelles, and a shuttlebay) the writers had all they needed for their stories.
Note for example that Rick incorporated all sorts of neat stuff that were rejected... Deployable nacelles, AWACS pod, absorption shield fins, aeroshuttle, etc. Nothing was used in the end, or if it showed up on the model, it never got used. IIRC, they never really even acknowledged in dialogue that Voyager's warp nacelles could even move, no? The bioneural circuitry was a Macguffin that was never visible on the outside, either.
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
So, what did they actually care about on Voyager? Somehow, the production team didn't seem to have the same kind of enthusiasm as the DS9 crew...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well their lack of enthusiasm did not prevent Voyager from being among Trek's best....
oh wait.
Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
Is there any more concept art concerning the aerowing runabout?
I have always been facinated by it's design.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What is annoying is that we've never gotten a good view of the defleector of that model/ship.
The closest view now is in one of the caps above which show a side view of the entire design - the area around the deflector seems to have an Enterprise-B shape to the hull.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
What is annoying is that we've never gotten a good view of the defleector of that model/ship.
The closest view now is in one of the caps above which show a side view of the entire design - the area around the deflector seems to have an Enterprise-B shape to the hull.
What is annoying is that we've never gotten a good view of the defleector of that model/ship.
The closest view now is in one of the caps above which show a side view of the entire design - the area around the deflector seems to have an Enterprise-B shape to the hull.
Er...he wanted to see the DEFLECTOR.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Which is in none of the one pictures those three links go to.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
There are no such pictures online, to my recollection. I once asked Rick about it, and he said it's basically just like the final product's secondary hull - one of the few major parts of the design to remain untouched.
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
THARE ALL TEH SAME!!??? Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
There are four lights, yo.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
There should be a b/w picture of the underside of this baby available in a bookstore near you. It's in one of the "unauthorized" Trek compendiums ("Voyager A-Z" or something silly like that), a small book printed on cheap paper yet sporting some pictures I've seen nowhere else. It probably still sits on a shelf in a sf/fantasy bookstore near here, since it definitely isn't worth buying for more than that single picture... I'll have a look next week.
Essentially, the shot shows the model from side, 45 degrees down, sitting on its pedestal on a shelf of some sort. There are two phaser strips on the primary hull underside, and some minor additional detail (no aeroshuttle IIRC). The deflector is roughly of the final shape, even if merely painted in, and I seem to remember the two torp tubes being in place on the upper corners, too.
Or then I'm dreaming it all up. Save for the fact that the photo does exist.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Well, whatever book it is, its not The Trekker's Guide to Voyager, since it has no pictures at all
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